Ion vs Phoenix

Originally posted by wannabe
To your question:
Not the healing of the universe itself makes Phoenix multiversal, but the fact, that she healed "[B]a" universe instead of " the" universe in combination with the fact, that from the White Hot Room, THE "HOME" OF THE PHOENIX, even Rachel Grey and Psylocke were able to access all the different universes there are and their selves that live there. [/B]

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
A multiversal being in powerlevel:For example a being that is able to destroy, create or manipulte multiple universes
Phoenix can't do any of those things

Originally posted by Galan777
correct, except a multiversal being can manipulate multiple universes "At Once"

But since this seems to be a question of definition, here is the one according to which i tried to prove Phoenix is multiversal:
A multiversal being is a being, that has access to multiple universes and is able to manipulate them on a cosmic scale.

Originally posted by wannabe
Considering what i wrote in my last post and the fact, that the Phoenix IS able to bring a universe to existence and to destroy it as well as manipulate it, she fits very well in [B]your personal definition of a multiversal being.
Again a personal definition, according to which i admittedly cannot prove, that Phoenix is multiversal, because i don't know any comic in which she did manipulated multiple universes at once.

But since this seems to be a question of definition, here is the one according to which i tried to prove Phoenix is multiversal:
A multiversal being is a being, that has access to multiple universes and is able to manipulate them on a cosmic scale. [/B]

Originally posted by wannabe
Considering what i wrote in my last post and the fact, that the Phoenix IS able to bring a universe to existence and to destroy it as well as manipulate it, she fits very well in [B]your personal definition of a multiversal being.[/B]

Originally posted by wannabe
But since this seems to be a question of definition, here is the one according to which i tried to prove Phoenix is multiversal:
A multiversal being is a being, that has access to multiple universes and is able to manipulate them on a cosmic scale.

Originally posted by Galan777
The ability to heal a single universe, or travel between universes dosent make you Multiversal in power

But if you think, that Phoenix can monitor and travel to all universes, but manipulate only one...well, than your discussion with me about this topic has indeed come to an end.

Learn something new everyday.

I thought the Phoenix Force was a multiverse force, seeing that it was able to split itself throughout the multiverse while at the same time creating Excalibur's lighthouse.

Interesting...

Originally posted by Galan777
Phoenix may have access to multiple universes, but she [B]CAN'T manipulate them at once, hence she IS NOT multiversal! [/B]

Originally posted by wannabe
Again a personal definition, according to which i admittedly cannot prove, that Phoenix is multiversal, because i don't know any comic in which she did manipulated multiple universes AT ONCE.

Originally posted by wannabe
The fact, that you can manipulate a universe from you "Command Center" and have access to others as well, does!

But if you think, that Phoenix can monitor and travel to all universes, but manipulate only one...well, than your discussion with me about this topic has indeed come to an end.

Originally posted by wannabe
A very good, logical and convincing reasoning, but you're forgetting, that the PF is also the fire, that consumes all of creation.

Theoretically, in Bios? Yes.

This has never happened On Panel though.

Originally posted by wannabe
So even given your reasoning is correct (i don't say it is, nor do i say it is not, since it is also just an interpretation of the informations we got about PF),

That's not an interpretation, the Phoenix Force is the Spark that ignites the Big Bang, theoretically her fire consumes said universe BUT, Phoenix has NEVER been accused of creating the universe that is sprung from a Big Bang.

And Phoenix also has never created a Universe on panel, while not executing the "Big Bang"...

Originally posted by wannabe
the PF still has to be strong enough to overshadow the "self perpetuating process" that is the living universe, hence it has to be a "little" greater than you imply in saying it's just the "Spark".

The Universe that is consumed, is reborn in the self perpetuating process, it's a programmed cycle, Phoenix can't interfere in that pre-designed plan.

Phoenix's role is exactly that, a Role.

Every Abstract plays one, her job is to ensure a recycling of a Universe.

But let's understand one thing, this is the Phoenix Force in it's NATURAL STATE that conducts these Big Bangs.

No Avatar, including the White Phoenix (Jean) has anything to do with that.

Because In it's Natural State the Phoenix is UNAWARE of it's Own Existence

The Phoenix Force has NO CONSCIOUSNESS in it's Natural State

o listen if seen venom in spiderman 3 😱

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Not trying to cross hair but that pic is slightly misleading, seeing that is not what actually happened in the story. IIRC, the reason she was able to kill herself was from the fact that her powers had not returned to their full level. AAMOF, the X-Men try to stop her before she reaches her full power level.

That's a nice story but the Writer clearly says,

"Phoenix AGAIN REGAINED Her FULL, GodLike Powers"

And then was KILLED!

This is what happens when you try to Kill real Power.

Wanda gets shot by Hawk Eye dead in the Heart.

Seems like she's dead

Notice the arrows Position, right on the side of the Heart,

Hawkeye came to KILL, READ the scan.

But she CAN'T Die...arrow in her back deconstructs...everything is as was.

"If I couldn't KILL you"......that's right buddy, you couldn't.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is what happens when you try to Kill real Power.

Wanda gets shot by Hawk Eye dead in the Heart.

Seems like she's dead

Notice the arrows Position, right on the side of the Heart,

Hawkeye came to KILL, READ the scan.

But she CAN'T Die...arrow in her back deconstructs...everything is as was.

"If I couldn't KILL you"......that's right buddy, you couldn't.

😄

Originally posted by wannabe
Not the healing of the universe itself makes Phoenix multiversal, but the fact, that she healed "[B]a" universe instead of " the" universe in combination with the fact, [/B]

healing a Universe is not a big deal for the Phoenix Avatars, that their role in the Cosmic scheme:

Giraud (a Phoenix Avatar can heal a Universe)

Now Observe Giraud "universal healer" getting handled like a child

Dormammu HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar)

Dormammu still HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team and the same time

Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team, stay HANDLED

Originally posted by wannabe
that from the White Hot Room, THE "HOME" OF THE PHOENIX, even Rachel Grey and Psylocke were able to access all the different universes there are and their selves that live there.

This means nothing.

You can do the same thing from Otherworld's Watrchtower.

Originally posted by Galan777
The phrase that made HOM worth reading:

😄

Originally posted by Validus
It really didn't. Nothing could make HOM worth reading.

Originally posted by Galan777
really? you didnt like it? I admit that it was slow, but for me then ending made it worth it

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Learn something new everyday.

I thought the Phoenix Force was a multiverse force, seeing that it was able to split itself throughout the multiverse while at the same time creating Excalibur's lighthouse.

Interesting...

Here's something New to learn.

This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:

It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged..to Create an Energy Matrix."

The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse ALIGN BY THEMSELVES...

AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower", a less than monumental feat...

considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....

Any one who can create a duplicate Lighthouse can perform that feat nowadays.

Once she duplicated the first Tower, all the other Towers across the Multi-verse were created simultaneously VIA the Interface Alignment

The Interface Alignment opens a Door to every Universe for a brief moment.
Necron and Feron needed a being that could create a duplicate quick enough before the Interface Mis-aligned again.

Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would be impossible for Phoenix.

Originally posted by wannabe
Considering what i wrote in my last post and the fact, that the Phoenix IS able to bring a universe to existence and to destroy it as well as manipulate it,

Now your going to make stuff up?

When has Phoenix ever On Panel Created a Universe?

Or Remade One?

Or Destroyed one?

Originally posted by wannabe
that Phoenix is multiversal, because i don't know any comic in which she did manipulated multiple universes [B]at once.[/B]

Either your clueless about Phoenix or lying.

Originally posted by wannabe
A multiversal being is a being, that has access to multiple universes and is able to manipulate them on a cosmic scale.

Well Phoenix can NOT do that.

Hence, she is NOT Multiversal.

Originally posted by Validus
Bendis attempting to write a team book can only end in disaster as far as I'm concerned.

The Phoenix fans are getting pwned