Originally posted by LordKaos
So Jean fighting beings like Nightmare, Rutai, Apocalypse, Onslaught, Neo, Cassandra Nova is not way over her, the only one that beat her was Onslaught and he didn't beat her so much as try to get her to join him.
Actualy he crushed her in his hand. And I resort to insults cause we;ve tried for months to use logic and scans to prove this stuff and the fanboys just can't accept it.
Originally posted by LordKaosTHERE IS NO PHOENIX IN THIS THREAD!!!
How can Raven kill her? the whole coming back thing was brought by the Raven fan, first get Raven to kill her, he said that Raven's soulself would survive anything Jean could do, Jeans Phoenix self can survive anything anybody can do
It was Onslaught who created the imagery of the Phoenix, so that he could find out why she was the template for a cosmic force, he was baiting her, because as the darkest part of Xavier he knew that the only being in the universe that could see what he really was, was Jean. He came to Jean because he knew she was the only being Xaiver knew that had tapped an inexhaustible power source she refused to show him because she wanted to be Jean grey and nothing more, that's why she was muffled when he finally revealed himself. Jean knew the moment she touched Cains memories that Onslaught was Xaiver, she was a threat. He knew she was a threat to begin with that's why she was the first one to know that he existed when she and Gambit escaped the OZT compound. Xaiver has know for years that Jean was the most powerful mutant he had ever encountered, he loved her for it because he thought he was and that he had finally met his equal, but it turned out his equal was a god compared to him.
Wolverine killing Jean was needed so that both of them could survive the sun, Xorn killing Jean was so that she could save the future, Phoenix commiting suicide on the moon was to redeem Jean and allow her egg to incubate on the moon to save the same future that she needed Xorn to kill her for. Raven is not that complicated she was born to bring hell on earth, Jean was born to keep hell from happening to all creation.
In exiles 1-3 Wolverine killed a fully powered phoenix with his claws.
get it through your thick skull, the physical manifestation of the phoenix is vulnerable to damage.
Raven can effect the mind and soul. Jean only the mind. Canon or not Raven has shown she can handle the phoenix pretty well when she was a novice. The current Raven is even more powerful and would take her.
You need some help getting over your fanboyism.
Originally posted by LordKaos
If there is a Jean there is a Phoenix, her ultimate potenial as a Omega.
The threadstarter says "NO PHOENIX" so that means we're dealing with Pre-Morrison retcon Jean Grey.
Which means anything that Jean Grey did in the 90s and 80s when not in a Phoenix outfit is viable.
Morrison just retconned the whole shctick so that Jean Grey was Phoenix all the time...
Jean's powers have nothing to do with her living or dying, she has been depowered plenty. Can Raven get to her psionically? Let us forget the Phoenix and focus on the unlimited potential Jean has, how she was pushed beyond what even Xaiver thought was possible to accomplish godlike feats, she used Phoenix imagery because that's as close to god she has gotten.