RAVEN vs. JEAN GREY

Originally posted by Ext@nt
lol Raven also posses strong TK through magic.

As I said as a novice Raven went toe to toe with Dark Phoenix in a cross over comic.

Now she could deal with her. all she has to do is kill the avatar and the phoenix goes away.

At least we face logic. Phoenix Fan boys seem to think she can do anything. She was killed by Wolverines claws in Exiles 1-3. Raven can do worse.

actually that was a crossover and wasn't the true dark phoenix merely residual energies because the real dark phoenix would have crushed her. you talk about fan boys yet you seem to fight so hard for raven though.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
THERE IS NO PHOENIX IN THIS THREAD!!!

actually JACK JEAN IS THE PHOENIX READ UP ON YOUR CPMICS AND GET AT ME AND AS I RECALL EXT@NT BROUGHT PHOENIX UP FIRST IN THE FORM OF DARK PHOENIX

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Raven has held back demons and gone toe to toe with the titans of myth.

I don't think you get that her soul self is like cloak's effect (From Cloak and Dagger) on stereoids. Shes been able to resist mind control in the past.

Get over your fanboy love.

See what makes us hate you phoenix fanboys is that you think shes unbeatable by ANYONE!! You ignore facts you dont like.

You wonder why I dont debate like Mr M does? Cause I see him offering scans and logic and reasonable arguements and it does nothing to make you people see the truth.

you seriously needs to chill out you say no phoenix so he gives you feats. and you get angry because he isnt saying your right it is something seriously wrong with a guy who get mad when some one doesnt agree with him raven cant beat jean a person with limitless psychic powers get it through your head man DAMN.

Raven would totally crush jean....jean is a good fighter....but u cant 4get that raven has powerful dark magic,....she also has telekinsis, and she can go inside peoples minds also....raven posseses a lot of power, she was porn 2 destroy the earth....her powers are limitless....even with the phoenix raven would win cause rave has this big black bird that comes out of her when she gets angry....and dont forget that she can control it....raven can pick up anything with the flick of a finger....while jean has to struggle to lift up heavy things....it would be a good fight but raven would prevail

u r totally right

what u people dont understand is that raven also has telekinesis and she can get inside peoples head...u phoenix fans over estimate her...yall think that no one can defeat her....but if youve read the comics...u would know that raven defeated her in a crosscomic....so what jean posses the phoenix force...raven posseses this huge mystical bird full of power....what yall dont understand is that this girl was born 2 destroy the earth...nd she can beat jean or phoenix...thats all 2 it.

Raven's soulself pwned Trigon and yes he WAS dead not banished there's a book where they show his huge ugly skeleton. That feat alone puts Raven above Jean Grey. As well as the countless times she owned Titans all by herself. Potentially she's powerful enough to fight Phoenix, the problem is she rarely ever uses that potential because she hates fighting.

Originally posted by SamZED
Raven's soulself pwned Trigon and yes he WAS dead not banished there's a book where they show his huge ugly skeleton. That feat alone puts Raven above Jean Grey. As well as the countless times she owned Titans all by herself. Potentially she's powerful enough to fight Phoenix, the problem is she rarely ever uses that potential because she hates fighting.

Can Raven own a weak Galactus?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Can Raven own a weak Galactus?

Can Jean? 😐

Maybe. 😕

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Can Raven own a weak Galactus?

Originally posted by SamZED
Well, Trigon >>> Galactus.

:/

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Originally posted by SamZED
Fine... Trigon > Galactus.. 😄 In his first appearance he pwned both Titans and Justice League with a thought, and he didn't even need to leave his dimension to do it...

Not impressed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Not impressed.

Originally posted by SamZED
What does it take to impress you then? Destroyed a planet at the age of 6 or maybe 7. Took over many dimensions when he was over 30. Still?

Feats against actual opponents. Someone more impressive than the Justice Leage and the Teen Titans. Galactus could probably destroy Galaxies when he was 2 weeks old in this universe. How does age factor in here?

Trigon>Galactus.......hahahaha it's the most ridicoulous thing I have ever heard. Jean Grey destroys Raven infinity times over.
And btw Jean is Phoenix, it's like saying Galactus vs Thor but no Power Cosmic for Galactus.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Feats against actual opponents. Someone more impressive than the Justice Leage and the Teen Titans. Galactus could probably destroy Galaxies when he was 2 weeks old in this universe. How does age factor in here?

Originally posted by Peterlane
Trigon>Galactus.......hahahaha it's the most ridicoulous thing I have ever heard. Jean Grey destroys Raven infinity times over.
And btw Jean is Phoenix, it's like saying Galactus vs Thor but no Power Cosmic for Galactus.

Originally posted by sese4lyfe
what u people dont understand is that raven also has telekinesis and she can get inside peoples head...u phoenix fans over estimate her...yall think that no one can defeat her....but if youve read the comics...u would know that raven defeated her in a crosscomic....so what jean posses the phoenix force...raven posseses this huge mystical bird full of power....what yall dont understand is that this girl was born 2 destroy the earth...nd she can beat jean or phoenix...thats all 2 it.

Raven has RARELY used telekinesis. The only time off the top of my head that I can recall her using it was when she tossed Nightwing (I think it was him) aside. But that was Dark Raven who was shown to use powers regular Raven had never before shown.

The crossover was not canon.

I think Raven would defeat a Phoenix-less Jean because telepathy is Jean's major asset and Jericho proved going into Raven's mind will **** you up. I don't believe Jean's tk would go through the Soulself because the soulself basically splits the dimension Raven is in in two, meaning Jean would have to be altering matter through another dimension (which is something Phoenix could probably do, but not Jean).

Phoenix Jean would wipe the floor with Raven as far as I'm concerned.

Phoenix Jean vs Dark Raven would be more even, but I don't think Dark Raven has enough feats to back up an argument saying she's got the output or defenses to stop PJ. I'm not convinced Trigon > Galactus either.

She uses tk pretty often, even last time she became evil she was holding all of the titans in the air and they all couldnt move. Sounds like tk. Also Raven can do anything Dark Raven can, she just doesn't. Also, didnt Jericho fall into coma when he tried to get into Raven's mind?