RAVEN vs. JEAN GREY

Originally posted by SamZED
She uses tk pretty often, even last time she became evil she was holding all of the titans in the air and they all couldnt move. Sounds like tk. Also Raven can do anything Dark Raven can, she just doesn't. Also, didnt Jericho fall into coma when he tried to get into Raven's mind?

Raven being able to do anything DR can do is speculation... but if you provide a scan proving me wrong I'd be happy to concede.

Not a coma. He flipped out though. The first time he couldn't get in and had a panic attack. The second time Raven was asleep and he got in and he had a night terror.

Originally posted by Konton
Raven being able to do anything DR can do is speculation... but if you provide a scan proving me wrong I'd be happy to concede.

Not a coma. He flipped out though. The first time he couldn't get in and had a panic attack. The second time Raven was asleep and he got in and he had a night terror.

When she goes evil she opens up to Trigon's influence and (in essence) becomes his avatar. She obviously gets a power up, just like when Jean opens up to the PF.

Originally posted by SamZED
Age is a factor because Trigon's grown many times stronger since then. Something more impressive than owning JLA and Titans in a second with a THOUGHT? Galactus's been defeated by the Fantastic four before. Id like to see Reed come up with something to stop Trigon.

Being defeated by the Fantastic Four is a low feat now? Looks like someone is reaching pretty deep into the box of desperate arguments.

Regardless of the amount of work it took Trigon, you haven't provided any other combat feats. The Surfer evacuated hundreds of thousands of people and jumpstarted their ships by blinking his eyes once in Nova. Even though he just blinked his eyes, it still required some degree of power. Hyperbole and conquering some unnamed planets and dimensions of which we know fukcall doesn't put you above Galactus 😐

Would Raven's soul self be able to contend with Phoenix?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Would Raven's soul self be able to contend with Phoenix?

What exactly are you asking?

Originally posted by Konton
What exactly are you asking?

Doesn't Raven have a soul self?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Doesn't Raven have a soul self?

Yes.

Originally posted by Konton
Yes.

Is it more powerful than her normal self? I read above that her soul self owned Trigon. Do you think it has a chance with Phoenix, Jean?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Is it more powerful than her normal self? I read above that her soul self owned Trigon. Do you think it has a chance with Phoenix, Jean?

Her soul self is an extension of her dark side. It's the black bird she sends out of her body all the time. She can become her soul self and phase and use it to teleport and create force fields.

It's not something she seldom uses, it's pretty much her main power aside from empathy and flight.

By the way, Raven didn't just use it to "own Trigon." Raven chaneled the collective souls of Azar and THAT defeated Trigon.

I feel like Phoenix empowered Jean would tear the soul self apart, but standard tp/tk Jean wouldn't have the output to take her out.

As a side note, there WAS one (total PIS IMO) moment where Starfire and Cyborg shattered Dark Raven's soul self with a combined blast...

Food for thought.

And I say it was PIS because a standard Raven was able to contain Darkseid in her soulself for a time.

rave is more powerfil than jean (my opinion)....she posseses a massive amount of power, which are limitless....u guys have to understand...and i cant stress this enough...but raven was born 2 destroy the earth...what makes u people think that she cant destroy jean.

Originally posted by sese4lyfe
rave is more powerfil than jean (my opinion)....she posseses a massive amount of power, which are limitless....u guys have to understand...and i cant stress this enough...but raven was born 2 destroy the earth...what makes u people think that she cant destroy jean.

Well, you're just throwing around hyperbole here and stating it as fact.
Regular Raven has done little more than cast illusions, teleport the Titans around, and complain during fights.

Her defeating Trigon was under special circumstance mind you, and while controlling the collective souls of Azar she was able to reach the level of power required to stomp him.

Like I said:

Regular Raven > Phoenix-less Jean
Regular Raven < Phoenix Jean
and
Dark Raven is somewhat below Phoenix Jean aswell because Trigon's level of power is debatable and defeating Trigon is Raven's only feat.

I'd say Trigon would be DC's answer to Dormammu.

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Originally posted by sese4lyfe
rave is more powerfil than jean (my opinion)....she posseses a massive amount of power, which are limitless....u guys have to understand...and i cant stress this enough...but raven was born 2 destroy the earth...what makes u people think that she cant destroy jean.

What makes me think it is that Jean Grey was born to be the living embodiment of The Phoenix Force, which can destory way more than Earth. Jean has mind dueled with D'Spayre (20,000 year old demon of despair) in an attempt to probe his mind, won the duel and survivied the probe, she has also mind screwed a horde of N'gari while in Limbo, she can handle the mind of Raven. Jean Grey is an omega level mutant, her powers are without limit and this is not my opinion it's marvel canon.

jean is not as powerful as people put her out to be...you think she cant be defeated and its just ridiculous...(fact) she is not the most powerful hero. and the only reason i said my opinion is because they are from two different comics...there are plenty of facts i can tell u about the limitless power of raven....raven's tk is stronger than jeans is, and if you all say it not, then i beg to differ....point blank.

Raven > Jean

Jean looks hot, but Raven wins.

Originally posted by sese4lyfe
jean is not as powerful as people put her out to be...you think she cant be defeated and its just ridiculous...(fact) she is not the most powerful hero. and the only reason i said my opinion is because they are from two different comics...there are plenty of facts i can tell u about the limitless power of raven....raven's tk is stronger than jeans is, and if you all say it not, then i beg to differ....point blank.

Do you have ANY evidence to support your claims?
Raven's powers aren't limitless and have never been stated to be so.
You say you have facts, but you give out opinions based on what I'm sure is hyperbole.

Tell me when Raven can rebuild someones body with tk.

😬 Raven's resurrected someone's body from the dead.