Kratos vs Sephiroth

Originally posted by SHM
But what really takes the cake in the mater of ridiculous arguments, is the fanboys saying Kratos can dodge and block lightning based on [b]gameplay mechanics.
IIRC you can increase Cloud's stats to make him faster, causing the enemies to "miss" their attacks in FFVII, one of these attacks being lightning. So I guess Cloud(and Sephiroth by extension) can dodge ligthning now. 🙄 [/B]

Lightning-timing is only one of Kratos' feats. Another is reacting to Zeus, who has shown to both fly at supersonic-hypersonic speeds (Never seen calcs, am referring to scene in GoW2 when Zeus takes Kratos above the clouds and on top of a mountain that IIRC was not actually near where they were at in second) consistently, and even reacting to similar flying bumrushes, oh yeah, and he reacts to Zeus actully turning into lightning and attacking him. Not even counting the lightning deflecting. Then there is blocking a massive explosion from point-blank range that was calced to be a mach 28 reaction-time feat. Shit, Poseidon himself was shown to casually be supersonic. You don't actually know what a gameplay mechanic is, not in the context you are using it. Get your butthurt out of here.

Originally posted by SHM
In the end of the day, it doesn't matter who or what Kratos defeated. The main character will allways defeat his/her enemies, even if they are much stronger than him/her. It can be because of some plot-device, or PIS and CIS, or simply [b]gameplay-mechanics, but the main character will allways prevail.
We have to look at what the character in question can actually do(outside of gameplay) to judge his/her strength, not the enemies they defeated because of the plot demanding it.

Both Kratos and Sephiroth have similar experience(being soldiers and all, before the story of their games started), but Sephiroth showed(in cutscenes) he is faster, and MUCH more versatile in his abilities, than Kratos. [/B]

Uhuh. Show me a mach 28 feat from Sephiroth. Show me lightning-timing. If you cannot, leave, now. Oh, by the way, I like how you addressed two advantages Kratos has over Sephiroth... Only you did not. Kratos is MUCH stronger than Sephiroth, no, he is much stronger than every named being in FFVII combined. I include Omega in this. Kratos physically resisted Atlas and Cronos, and he overpowered Hercules, Hercules who in GoW canon supported the world as Atlas now does, making him tremendously stronger than Sephiroth. Oh, and Kratos is more durable as well. Taking hits from beings as strong as he is, taking lightning from Zeus, blocking the Blade of Olympus which cut through Cronos like butter with his bare hands, Sephiroth probably could not even injure Kratos. Whereas Kratos could push his hand through Sephiroth's face.

Yes, apparently, Cloud is a lightning-timer.
Check it out:

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1...0608h33m42.png

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5...0608h37m52.png

Script stating that Kadaj's attack is lightning.

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/9841/proofi.jpg

EDIT: Dammit, the first two images are blocked. I think the statement is still visible, though.

Either way, here's the source:

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=703775

That being said, we can safely assume that speed-wise Sephiroth is a lot faster than a lightning-timer.

The hell?

All cloud did was jump towards a bunch of blue orbs.

Reminds me of Xemnas and his lasers.

I'm afraid to announce that this is not the Link supposed lightning timing AKA fanon. This IS lightning, as it is clearly stated. So you guys will need more than 'diz doesnt look like lightning' when it's clearly stated that it's lightning. Not gonna argue in Sephiroth's favor anyway, I'm just... uh, providing stuff. That's it.

Do your research. I'm off.

Like how Xemnas is stated to use lasers and they do not operate like lasers at all. 🙂

The script says after unleashing a thunderbolt, but yet, not only do I not see a thunderbolt but instead of seeing a single thing I see 6 balls.

HMMMMMMM

I guess that's the cut content script.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io11AjDuxI0&feature=player_embedded#at=200

3:15

Clearly not "thunderbolt".

Using a lightning bolt that does not look like a lightning bolt. Script says yes, actual animation says no. Odd I must say.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Like how Xemnas is stated to use lasers and they do not operate like lasers at all. 🙂

Dem lasers are pretty cool though. 313

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was under the impression that he did that during gameplay. And blocking/deflecting lightning doesn't mean he can dodge or react to it.

If he does that during gameplay, it means he has the ability to deflect and react to Lightning. Or are you suggesting that ALL gameplay abilities do not count? 😐
It's pretty much impossible to avoid those Lightning bolts in most cases (because he has incredible accuracy, and throws them in sets of two usually), to the point where you have to rely on a gameplay feature (roll-cancelling) to dodge both bolts. Alternatively, you can deflect both with the Golden Fleece. There are other ways to deal with the bolts, but they involve I-Frames, so that's not applicable.

And he's blocked a 'Lightning Storm' from Zeus after it was launched, and that wasn't true gameplay, i.e. it was a QTE.

Sephiroth having Supernova isn't a game mechanic, but it destroying the same planets each time it is shown being used, is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, if its lightning then I assume you hold up a lightning rod of some description.

AKA: Block with something metally.

Said 'metally' object would have to be grounded to work as a conductor. Otherwise, the electricty will just flow through Kratos' body.

Though to really address your point, in GoW2, blocking one of those lightning bolts of his would still hurt you iirc, or break your guard. mmm

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Using a lightning bolt that does not look like a lightning bolt. Script says yes, actual animation says no. Odd I must say.

So much nostalgia. Reminds me of the LLLC 'Link can play tennis with 12 ton Lightning balls' argument.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So much nostalgia. Reminds me of the LLLC 'Link can play tennis with 12 ton Lightning balls' argument.

Inorite?

Must say I'm conflicted here. Sephy does not have much in the way of good feats so giving him a lightning reaction time feat, more or less, would be nice. However, as the LLLC have had to face the whole "Not shaped like lightning argument", it would seem a bit biased of me. 😛

Oh wells. No one really cares about Sephy anyway. Or Link for that matter. vin

Originally posted by NemeBro
Like how Xemnas is stated to use lasers and they do not operate like lasers at all. 🙂

Are you saying that this official statement is not valid? You know, this isn't any theory, it is stated.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Are you saying that this official statement is not valid? You know, this isn't any theory, it is stated.

But yes, I don't really care what the script says. We can plainly see that they do not behave nor vaguely resemble lightning, they only just barely resemble electricity.

Though to be honest, it is largely irrelevant. Sephiroth still lacks the means to harm Kratos.

It is actually quite a conflict. For a movie, which holds more water? The script and direction(assuming it is completely valid) or the actual actions on screen?

The guy who wrote this script is a writer of FFVII so what he writes is certainly close to Word of God I suppose. Again this is me going with the idea that said script is valid.

This guy was in charge of the animation, which I suppose is where this category falls under. He never contributed to FFVII directly so maybe he just got it wrong? Though lightning itself is pretty straight forward and actually not being able to produce something similar looking is a little far fetched.

So IDK. Truth be told, the script probably went through changes and the attack was changed to fit the animation. I doubt anyone would be that pissy about it. This is of course assuming that said script is valid, which I'll leave it to Griever to prove that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do not confuse the script for Word of God. Also, would like to see the source for that script.

But yes, I don't really care what the script says. We can plainly see that they do not behave nor vaguely resemble lightning, they only just barely resemble electricity.

Though to be honest, it is largely irrelevant. Sephiroth still lacks the means to harm Kratos.

I believe that was an script from the Reunion Files or something. The point is that It's official.

It does not matter. As long as you have official statements, I could care less if they resemble hot-dogs.

Fair enough. I'm not arguing in Sephiroth's favor anyway.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Matra_Magic

Wasn't it that? >__>

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Matra_Magic

Wasn't it that? >__>

NO!!!!

...yes?

I dunno anymore! D=

And actually in game Matra Magic is missiles. FFVII MM is anyway. So looks different than this. Actually, nothing I recall looks like this.

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5537/vlcsnap2010060608h37m52.png

What? That's certainly NOT Matra Magic. Are you guys ignoring official statements? And now if you look closely in the image, you can see sparks surrounding the shots anyway. It's lightning.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
What? That's certainly NOT Matra Magic. Are you guys ignoring official statements? And now if you look closely in the image, you can see sparks surrounding the shots anyway. It's lightning.

If cloud could dodge lightning, he wouldn't have received the treatment sephiroth gave him in ACC.

Originally posted by Kuja9001
If cloud [b]could dodge lightning, he wouldn't have received the treatment sephiroth gave him in ACC. [/B]

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You are aware of why this is being discussed right?