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Originally posted by Mr Master
It's quite clear Vangaard can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he wishes.

He seems more like a nigh-omnipresent being whom can destroy Universes to me.

I see no reason to classify him beyond a Multiversal power.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Amped up Psi-Lord exploded a Universe in his Vangaard's face,
and Vangaard didn't even seem to notice it let alone stop him.

But I've seen a few other [non-Omniversal], characters take a big bang to the face as well. 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
That would be plausible, but there's one particular that can't be overlooked:

Huntara saw into Vangaard's Past,

that's another Timeline, not only because it is another Timeline regardless it being the Past,

but because Vangaard is from another Universe, depicted in FF#163.

This tells me,

she's talking about Realities/UniverseS which have been refered to in other issues as Planes.

Edit*

Huntara's power is to open [B]Inter-Dimensional Portals:

(Weapons)

Psionic Scythe,

which can cause psychic damage and open rifts to transport people anywhere she desires.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Huntara [/B]

Gah Lak Tus survived a Big Bang, doesn't mean he's Omniversal... Because it would be just plain stupid to suggest so.

Originally posted by Merlyn
And that makes him Omniversal how?

He can erase any Universe in the Omniverse.

I never said he can do it all at once, (I look into it)

but he does have access to any Universe in the Omniverse.

He's erased 1 Million UniverseS so far and counting.

Originally posted by Merlyn
He seems more like a nigh-omnipresent being whom can destroy Universes to me.

nigh-omnipresent?

As in limited omnipresence?

I can agree with this, because Vangaard definitely does exist in Many Realities simultaneously,

but Huntara never said All.

Originally posted by Merlyn
I see no reason to classify him beyond a Multiversal power.

I do.

The fact that he can reach UniverseS outside the Multiverse.

He has access to any Universe in Marvel in fact.

Instantaneous too, he had just erased:

Earth-95121 - Earth-95122 - Earth-7712 before stepping into the next door Earth-721.

Yall want the scans?

Originally posted by Merlyn
Impressive,
But I've seen a few other [non-Omniversal],
characters take a big bang to the face as well.

So have I,

I never said that made him Omniversal.

Just pointing it out.

Originally posted by King Kandy
She looked into his past which was an alternate universe... because that's where he's from. It has nothing to do with him existing across the omniverse, it has everything to do with his origin...

And it doesn't relate at all to his "Many Planes of existance" which I think means he exists on planes that humans can't even comprehend...

Huntara's power is to open Inter-Dimensional Portals:

(Weapons)

Psionic Scythe,

which can cause psychic damage and open rifts to transport people anywhere she desires.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Huntara

Huntara doesn't peer into planes of a Universe,

she opens RIFTS into Other UniverseS.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Gah Lak Tus survived a Big Bang, doesn't mean he's Omniversal...

First off I never said surviving a Big Bang makes one Omniversal.

Secondly, Gah Lak Tus was not struck completely,

it was a Uni-directional beam that hit exactly 20% of him,

that 20% was completely destroyed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because it would be just plain stupid to suggest so.

You brought it up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Huntara's power is to open [B]Inter-Dimensional Portals:

(Weapons)

Psionic Scythe,

which can cause psychic damage and open rifts to transport people anywhere she desires.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Huntara

Huntara doesn't peer into planes of a Universe,

she opens RIFTS into Other UniverseS. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Secondly, Gah Lak Tus was not struck completely,

it was a Uni-directional beam that hit exactly 20% of him,

that 20% was completely destroyed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah... She looked into his past (Another universe.)

She also saw him existing simultaneously in "Too Many Planes" (UniverseS/RealitieS)

I can't conclusively say that means Omniverse, that's not my style,

but Vangaard definitely exists in multiple UniverseS simultaneously.

Or it could be,

that he can transcend UniverseS so quickly that it seems as though he's already there,
even though he's actually travelling to them.

IMO, he has as Merrlyn put it,

"nigh-Omnipresence"

Originally posted by King Kandy
Good to see you remember my lessons.

Of course,

your opinion was sound and backed by proof.

So I can use it as a conclusive Fact.

Sorta like how Now you can state with confidence,

Wanda Warped the entire 616 Universe

and there's no amount of bull shit that can challenge that.

Actually, looking at the to many planes scan... I see something. It shows variace incarnations of the Fantastic Four.

And it shows them right as it talks about his erasing redundant universes... So it looks to me like he plans on erasing every reality sans one that includes the Fantastic Four... But this is relevant in one more way.

He's a pre-torch Johnny Storm... So he actually is an origin of all those realities. Johnny Storm exists in countless realities, so if you kill the past self (Vangaard) it screws them all up. So you wouldn't want to "Disrupt" this guy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually, looking at the to many planes scan... I see something. It shows variace incarnations of the Fantastic Four.

And it shows them right as it talks about his erasing redundant universes... So it looks to me like he plans on erasing every reality sans one that includes the Fantastic Four... But this is relevant in one more way.

He's a pre-torch Johnny Storm... So he actually is an origin of all those realities. Johnny Storm exists in countless realities, so if you kill the past self (Vangaard) it screws them all up. So you wouldn't want to "Disrupt" this guy.

I'm not really understanding what your saying here.

But I did understand the end if it,

and I disagree.

Vangaard is not a pre-torch Johnny,
Vangaard became Vangaard way after the Fantastic Four were extablished. (FF#163)

In fact,

the Thing defeated Gaard the Original incarnation of Vangaard:

(excerpt from the Official Handbook)

I'm not in the mood to crop a bunch of scans right now.

So Gaard, while still an Alternate Johnny, became Vangaard.

It would be impossbile for 616 Johnny's Counter-part to have come before him.

Remember Alternate Universes are shady mirrors of the 616 Reality.

Also, where do you get the idea Vangaard survived the big bang? It was just a huge chunk of anitmatter.

I wouldn't put Vangaard anymore then once space above MJJ.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He can erase any Universe in the Omniverse.

I never said he can do it all at once, (I look into it)

but he does have access to any Universe in the Omniverse.

He's erased 1 Million UniverseS so far and counting.

Originally posted by Mr Master
nigh-omnipresent?

As in limited omnipresence?

I can agree with this, because Vangaard definitely does exist in Many Realities simultaneously,

but Huntara never said All.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, where do you get the idea Vangaard survived the big bang?

"Inconceivable ... Space/Time itself has been torn asunder by the resulting cataclysm"

They all left that Reality (Earth-7712) to escape it's destruction, including Psi-Lord:

616 Johnny spoke to Vangaard in Universe Earth-721.

He teleported himself out of that Reality into his mini "Sub-Space Pocket"

Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't put Vangaard anymore then once space above MJJ.

Sounds good.

MJJ is above Matrix empowered Merlyn.

Matrix empowered Merlyn is a definite Omniversal power.

Originally posted by Merlyn
One million Universes in comparison to an infinite amount of Universes, is less than nothing.

Perhaps,

but it's still 1 Million UniverseS and counting he's erased.

Not many cats have that kinda of a number under their belt.

Anyhow I accept the "nigh-Omnipresence" idea.

The only logical explanation behind what Huntara witnessed.

Not total Omnipresence, but definitely some sense of it.

Would Vangaard be around the LT level....being that he is nigh-omnipresent?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Would Vangaard be around the LT level....being that he is nigh-omnipresent?

The LT is completely Omnipresent not just nigh.

Vangaard while not a Concept seemingly exists as one.

He carries out an Omniversal purpose,

to erase Universes taking up unnecessary space in Marvel,

Vangaard is like a living "Infinite Crisis" sortofspeak.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Would Vangaard be around the LT level....being that he is nigh-omnipresent?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Vangaard is like a living "Infinite Crisis" sortofspeak.