Everything COSMIC in Marvel - the Hierarchy, Battles, Feats, Q & A , scans galore!

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The NEW HIERARCHY!

1. TOAA/God (depicted as the Artist and Writer of Comics)

2. The Infinity Being (created all the Realities)

3. THOTI (raw power of Supreme Being)

4. The LT (only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)

5. The BeyonderS (tiny fraction of their power can Remake the Omniverse)

6. Jaspers 616 (more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - Fury)

Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.

7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:

Matrix empowered Merlyn: (fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)

Edifice Rex: (was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)

Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (the embodiment of Omniversal connection)

FP CCU: (Remade the Omniverse, and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)

IG: (4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities, so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)

Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right: (the Hand of God, can sunder the Omniverse)

FP Meggan: (absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ... paused the Chaos Wave)

Jamie Braddock: (Warped the WHR, creates Universes from scratch, Merged Jaspers & Fury, manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right)

(These THREE I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)

HOM Wanda: (a Universal Warper, that can collapse the Omniverse,
if she uses her power even at a Global scale)

Vangaard: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)

The Celestial Nullifier: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)

8. The Brothers: (guardians/embodiments of Two MegaverseS)

(Multiversal Powers)

9. Masters of the Matrix: (their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix, the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)

10. The UN: (can erase and Remake the Multiverse)

11. Abraxas: (can collapse a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts in the Multiverse simultaneously)

12. Molecule Man: (Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)

13. Entropy (can Re-Create the Multiverse from nothingness)

14. (SHARED Spot)

Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (embodiment of the Multiverse)

Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)

15. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.

16. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

The Infinites (handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)

The Makers (they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)

Atleza (Anchors an entire Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)

Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)

Genis Insane or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)

The Rot (erases Time & Space)

The Hunger (devours UniverseS)

Slorioth (absorbs UniverseS at all times)

17. (SHARED Spot) in Order:

1. 616 Eternity/Infinity (embodiments of the 616 Universe)

2. White Phoenix of the Crown (can amputate a Timeline and Repair it)

3. Korvac (empowered by Galactus' World Ship) (made subtle Warps in the 616 Universe)

4. 616 (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

5. Rest of the Abstracts

18. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:

1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's

2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

3. rest of the Abstracts

I noticed you ignored ALL of my imput even though you agreed to most of what I said.

How is Jamie Braddock below MJJ? 😕

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How is Jamie Braddock below MJJ?

I just noticed my error.

darn it,

here it is again.

The NEW HIERARCHY!

1. TOAA/God (depicted as the Artist and Writer of Comics)

2. The Infinity Being (created all the Realities)

3. THOTI (raw power of the Supreme Being)

4. The LT (only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)

5. The BeyonderS (tiny fraction of their power can Remake the Omniverse)

6. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

Jaspers 616 (more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - Fury)

Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.

Jamie Braddock: (Warped the WHR, creates Universes from scratch, Merged Jaspers & Fury,
manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right)

7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:

Matrix empowered Merlyn: (fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)

Edifice Rex: (was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)

Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (the embodiment of Omniversal connection)

FP CCU: (Remade the Omniverse, and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)

IG: (4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities, so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)

Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right: (the Hand of God, can sunder the Omniverse)

FP Meggan: (absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ... paused the Chaos Wave)

(These THREE I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)

HOM Wanda: (a Universal Warper, that can collapse the Omniverse,
if she uses her power even at a Global scale)

Vangaard: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)

The Celestial Nullifier: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)

8. The Brothers: (guardians/embodiments of Two MegaverseS)

(Multiversal Powers)

9. Masters of the Matrix: (their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix" the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)

10. The UN: (can erase and Remake the Multiverse)

11. Abraxas: (can collapse a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts in the Multiverse simultaneously)

12. Molecule Man: (Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)

13. Entropy (can Re-Create the Multiverse from nothingness)

14. (SHARED Spot)

Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (embodiment of the Multiverse)

Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)

15. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.

16. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

The Infinites (handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)

The Makers (they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)

Atleza (Anchors an entire Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)

Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)

Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)

The Rot (erases Time & Space)

The Hunger (devours UniverseS)

Slorioth (absorbs UniverseS at all times)

17. (SHARED Spot) in Order:

1. 616 Eternity/Infinity (embodiments of the 616 Universe)

2. White Phoenix of the Crown (can amputate a Timeline and Repair it)

3. Korvac (empowered by Galactus' World Ship) (made subtle Warps in the 616 Universe)

4. 616 (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

5. Rest of the Abstracts

18. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:

1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's

2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

3. rest of the Abstracts

Originally posted by King Kandy
I noticed you ignored ALL of my imput even though you agreed to most of what I said.

We can still dissect the Items and/or power sources from this list.

This is a broad list that includes everything that hasn't been retconned.

So this isn't the finished list?

Okay... We agreed to put THOTU and IB as equals. You didn't. We agreed to put Vangaard one spot above Jaspers. You didn't. I'm sure there's more, as well.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So this isn't the finished list?

It is finished for me, we might rearrange it though,

depending on the request and it's justification.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay... We agreed to put THOTU and IB as equals. You didn't.

I'll agree to this.

Because I believe Starlin considered the Marvel Multiverse everything in Marvel.

Starlin has never used the term Omniverse that I know of.

Originally posted by King Kandy
We agreed to put Vangaard one spot above Jaspers. You didn't.

I'm not too sure.

For now we know Vangaard can't erase the Omniverse all at once,
he can surely erase any Universe he wants though.

Merlyn was able to take out the Omniverse,

and still Jaspers 616 was more powerful than him.

Jaspers was an uber God within his Warp, this is why the Plot Device was invented (Fury)

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm sure there's more, as well.

Look the list over and tell me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
We can still dissect the Items and/or power sources from this list.

This is a broad list that includes everything that hasn't been retconned.

Mr. M, Hunger is below Galactus. Their only encounter, Galactus' power did nothing to Hunger

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, Hunger is below Galactus. Their only encounter, Galactus' power did nothing to Hunger

That's not Normal Galactus,

that's Insatiable Galactus from the Black Celestial Arc.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not Normal Galactus,

that's Insatiable Galactus from the Black Celestial Arc.

vs Tiamut, the Dreaming Celestial

Will u include, the Watchers, Stranger and Celestials

Originally posted by guy222
vs Tiamut, the Dreaming Celestial

Will u include, the Watchers, Stranger and Celestials

They are included,

"Rest of the Abstracts"

Although the Celestials, Stranger and Watcher are not exactly Abstracts,

they're in that tier, (Lower Abstracts)

Stranger might be slightly below an them (individualy ofcourse)

Originally posted by Mr Master
They are included,

"Rest of the Abstracts"

Although the Celestials, Stranger and Watcher are not exactly Abstracts,

they're in that tier, (Lower Abstracts)

Stranger might be slightly below an them (individualy ofcourse)

Good Hierarchy

I fixed your hierarchy page.

Correct Hierarchy

WANDA

Not a single bit of your response to the House of M issue was new. It was a repost of what I’ve handled many times before. Bring some new evidence to show or concede on the point.

As stated by Roma the omniversal guardian, the Eye Of Agamotto, the multiversal scanners of the Exiles and issue summaries, Wanda performed two major reality transformations, the creation of House of M and the “No more mutants” change and as stated ON PANEL they were both GLOBAL. As stated ON PANEL ALL her transformations were GLOBAL.

As such she is nothing more than a global scale reality warper.

JAMIE BRADDOCK

Jamie Braddock has done nothing on panel to place him above a skyfather. You say he created a universe; your point isn’t stated or illustrated on panel anywhere. Your claim is based off of the fact that he turned stars into starflakes within his reality warp.

SHOW US WHERE IT’S STATED. None of your theories.

Here’s Jamie Braddock, fully conscious and alert and in full power being rendered helpless by Psylockes tk:

Here’s Jamie Braddock being manhandled and taken away against his will by the First Fallens servants the Foursaken:

Braddock strung up by the Foursaken like ham in a butchers window:

Mr Master puts Jaspers above Merlyn NOT because Merlyn was defeated on panel by Jaspers, but because Merlyn planned and plotted so that someone else would defeat Jaspers instead. (Errrm how many times have the cosmics got Earths heroes to handle a threat instead of doing so themselves?) Using Mr Masters own logic, I guess that means Jamie Braddock is undoubtedly below the First Fallen, whose servants easily overpowered Jamie and who Jamie had to get Psylocke to defeat for him:

Guess who the First Fallen has been fighting a never ending losing battle against:

Now that Mr Masters own logic can be used against him, now that the flaws in said logic stand revealed………Let double standards reign!!!!

Aside from Mr Masters’s speculation (he created the universe as proven by the fact that he manipulated some stars 🤨 ) which is heavily disputed on panel, Jamie has done nothing truly impressive on panel and has been manhandled by the servants of one who can never best the Phoenix Force.

INFINITY BEING

While it is true that Thanos claimed the Infinity Being to be the entity responsible for the creation of the universe back in the 90’s in Thanos Quest, since then the Infinity Being has been retconned and the ideas behind the IG and the I Being behind them have been revised ever since that time.

In the late 90’s after the Thanos Quest the I Being was stated to be a being OF reality that lived in the universe:

Nothing was mentioned of it shattering thereby creating reality, just that the I Gems came from it.

In the 2000’s these I Gems were stated (by former wielder of the IG and possessor of the Soul Gem Adam Warlock) to gain their power from the Big Bang:

Bio

Gems power allegedly comes from the Big Bang

No doubt you’ll dispute Adams words despite the fact that they come AFTER having wielded the IG and WHILE being an owner of the Soul Gem, yet you’ll readily except Thanos’ words about the I Gems.

Infinity Gauntlets bio once again stating NOTHING about the I Being creating reality with its death but instead JUST the I Gems. That is in line with the late 90's revision i posted above

On top of that the multiverse wasn’t created by the I Being. The multiverse in its current state was brought about by the M’kraan crystal:

The previous multiverse was destroyed and then the current one brought into place by the crystal.

In the above scans you see the M’kraan crystal destroying all reality, Phoenix helping reality to die without fear, therefore foiling the Dwellers plans to feed off of reality’s fear. you see Galan merging with the Cosmic Egg as beckoned by the Eternity of the previous reality, you see LT putting the Brothers into their rightful places in creation and then you see reality restarted.