Everything COSMIC in Marvel - the Hierarchy, Battles, Feats, Q & A , scans galore!

LT’s bio references this title:

“The Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin cosmic entities the Brothers”

As does Galactus’

“saved by the Phoenix Force of the dying universe”

As does Phoenixes.

“In the dying moments of the previous universe, the Force saved all existence from eternal damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve the humanoid Galan”

I Being as per continuity has nothing to do with the creation of all reality. Thanos’ words as per current continuity are meaningless.

Please show a current bio and an in continuity scene STATING CLEARLY that the I Being is responsible for the creation of all reality or concede the point.

Alot of the positions you've give certain characters on your hierarchy are completely unjustified. They are positioned based on opinion and speculation, not on panel fact. Fact is whats stated non ambiguously on panel and depicted clearly without room for alternate interpretation. NOT what you can make out of a scene. 👇

Thats that for now. There are many other characters who need to be de-hyped, but they can wait.

VANGAARD

Many beings exist on multiple planes of reality. That is part of their nature and does not necessarily dictate power.

Shadow King exists on multiple planes of reality. He is multiversal in NATURE, however in terms of POWER he is around Xavier level. See the difference?

Vangaard travels from reality to reality destroying timelines he deems redundant. That is UNIVERSAL. If he could simultaneously apply his power across every reality of the multiverse and affect all realities within simultaneously, then THAT would be multiversal power.

Going from reality to reality destroying them ONE AT A TIME is universal

Wait I think I recall a issue where it said that the essence of Phoenix hatched the cosmic egg which created the universe and all life within it.
- I will get back on this.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
WANDA

Not a single bit of your response to the House of M issue was new. It was a repost of what I’ve handled many times before. Bring some new evidence to show or concede on the point.

As stated by Roma the omniversal guardian, the Eye Of Agamotto, the multiversal scanners of the Exiles and issue summaries, Wanda performed two major reality transformations, the creation of House of M and the “No more mutants” change and as stated ON PANEL they were both GLOBAL. As stated ON PANEL ALL her transformations were GLOBAL.

As such she is nothing more than a global scale reality warper.

I'll just blow this down,

and then the onlookers can see you have an agenda, that isn't going to work here:

This is going to hurt,

you must've missed it in your ego rant which included scans and all TRYING to make a case,

when in Fact .... there is NO case. 😬

For all this babble and the rest of your supposed "proof" ...

you lose.

Finally!

Marvel has officially categorized HOM (Earth-58163) as an Altered Universe.

Which was Created by Wanda when she Remade the 616 Reality.

House of M (Earth-58163)

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/House_of_M_%28Earth-58163%29

"It is indeed an Altered Reality --- not an Alternate Reality"

"It was so Altered that events that occurred in the history of Earth-616-normal,
did not necessarily affect those in the House of M Reality"

"Reality-58163 is a core Continuum designation for this unique Altered Reality"

Earth-58163 (HOM Reality)

Is also Officially established as a Universe in the "REALITIES" menu at Marvel.com:

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/Category:Realities

As you can see,

it's in the company of, amongst others,

"Earth X" - "Ultimate Universe" - "MC2" - "2099" - Mutant X -

"1602" ... which I personally posted the Scans of HOW that Universe was created here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_92-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

Well ... so now we know Wanda Warped the 616 Universe right here for a Second time:

"She's starting to Remake Reality 616

Indeed.

I NEVER doubted it for one second,

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_99-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

the ON PANEL Proof and corresponding Bios was enough,

but Marvel itself had to make it Official for ya (intransigence overflows in obsession)

NOW WHAT? 😆

1) Realities CAN be referred to as Earth*** or they can be referred to as reality***, its down to the writers discretion. However sometimes the Earth*** reference is used specifically to refer to the planet itself.

On panel Heather says she knows who warped Earth 616.

If this was the only reference given then no side could claim victory as the reference is ambiguous, it could mean either the planet within 616 or it could mean the universe, however Heather tells us what context she meant by going on to say it was Scarlet Witch and that she warped THE WORLD.

In the set of scans above, Heathers multiversal scanners take information from reality and they tell her what has happened. They talk of ONE change at that point and that is Wanda bringing about House of M on Planet Earth. That is ALL that Wanda changed up until that point.

As Heather speaks we see Wanda changing reality once again (therefore for the SECOND time). You see the mutant Beak and Angel caught up in Wandas reality alteration. The issue ends.

Next issue, you see that the change we saw at the end of the prevbious issue was the "No More Mutants Change", therefore another GLOBAL change. Beak is now human, so are some of his previously mutant babies:

No rants. No speculation. Can you show me whereabouts on panel your ALLEGED third change occurred? What happened in this third change YOU describe and once again, WHERE ON PANEL is this third change detailed?

Heathers scanners analysed reality 616 and told us about the HOM reality creation ON THE PLANET. Then as the issue was closing we saw the "No more mutants" change occurring, with the subsequent Exiles issue showing us the result.

The issue summary of Exiles 72 summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time). Where is the third change?!!!

The "No more mutants" change was the last reality warp Wanda brought about and that was a global change to rid the world of mutants.

It was focused on mutants and was to spite her father, it had nothing to do with anything but Earth.

The intro page to the House of M title, the main title that dealt directly with Wanda and her reality warp talks of how "the WORLD went white" when Wanda brought about the HOM reality and no mention of any other change whatsoever is made until it refers to the "No more mutants" change where once again it states "the WORLD went white"

Heres Hank Pym talking about the GLOBAL effects of the NO more mutants change:

In line with the above, once again please remember how Roma said the HOM conversion was a GLOBAL alteration and the Eye of Agamotto scanned the multiverse and stated plain as day that ALL of Wandas changes were GLOBAL. I’ll quote myself:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

In the What If series, it features the Watcher of 616 chronicling events across the multiverse which diverge from 616.

In the recent What If featuring the Disassembled Avengers, the Beast spearheads a plan to stop Wandas rampage. In this reality, she is defeated before she gets to say "No More mutants". At the end, when she is killed (along with Cap America who had secretly lost his mind and was in on the whole thing) Dr Strange uses the eye of Agamotto to scan all other realities to see what could have been if Beast hadnt intervened:

If Beast hadnt intervened, then Wandas rampage would have come to an end without the need for Wanda or Caps death (and therefore would have been in line with what happened in 616)

The key points are that the Eye Of Agamotto, (which scans across the multiverse) discovers that

a) in all other(other than this "What If" therefore including 616) realities it was just a peaceful WORLD that Pietro convinced Wanda to create.

b) In all other realities her subsequent reality warping just ridded the world of the mutant gene

c) In all other realities, the transformations were GLOBAL

"In ALL other realities her GLOBAL transformations"

You have the Eye of Agamotto scanning across the multiverse and determining that in all other realities the Scarlet Witch JUST warped the world to create House of M and that ALL her changes in ALL other realities were GLOBAL.

That all fits together nicely.

So just to summarize, NOWHERE on panel are any changes to reality made directly by Wanda with the exception of the GLOBAL conversion to the HOM reality and the No more mutants change. Where is this fabled third and allegedly universal change you talk about Mr Master.

No rants. Just show us on panel where the third change is shown happening in 616 and where it’s talked about. The conversion to HOM was the first, the No more mutants change was the last. Both of those were depicted and discussed in detail on panel. Why would they omit a supposedly universal change?

Posting a load of waffle about instances where entire realities are referred to by an "Earth***" designation doesnt change the fact that the terms reality*** and earth*** are interchangeable.

Depending on the writer it can either refer to the earth of that reality or the entire reality itself.

ONCE AGAIN, unluckily for you as i've illustrated above Heather revealed the context she meant that reference in by talking of how Wanda warped THE WORLD 😂

nuts

MARVEL Co. has officially categorized HOM (Earth-58163) as an Altered Universe.

Which was Created by Wanda when she Remade the 616 Reality.

House of M (Earth-58163)

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/House_of_M_%28Earth-58163%29

"It is indeed an Altered Reality --- not an Alternate Reality"

"It was so Altered that events that occurred in the history of Earth-616-normal,
did not necessarily affect those in the House of M Reality"

"Reality-58163 is a core Continuum designation for this unique Altered Reality"

...........................................................................

Earth-58163 (HOM Reality)

Is also Officially established as a Universe in the "REALITIES" menu at Marvel.com:

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/Category:Realities

As you can see,

it's in the company of, amongst others,

"Earth X" - "Ultimate Universe" - "MC2" - "2099" - Mutant X -

"1602"

Please don't do drugs before debating ... thanx. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]JAMIE BRADDOCK

Jamie Braddock has done nothing on panel to place him above a skyfather. You say he created a universe; your point isn’t stated or illustrated on panel anywhere. Your claim is based off of the fact that he turned stars into starflakes within his reality warp.

Here’s Jamie Braddock, fully conscious and alert and in full power being rendered helpless by Psylockes tk:

[/B]

So you wanna post a low showing for Jamie as a demonstration of his "weakness?"

Cool,

the same can be done for the Phoenix.

Phoenix considers Normal Galactus her equal:

but Galactus said, that WITH TIME,

"he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

Rose Hunt with ONE blast, FLOORS the Phoenix Force which had take Rose Hunt as a Host:

Look at how the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE leave's Amber Hunt's body:

(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was KILLED by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this SHATTERED the FORCE into BILLIONS of PIECES"

...................................................................................

On Panel verification:

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (White Crown Phoenix) with an Electromagnetic Pulse

The Phoenix Force itself was Blown into Billions of Pieces. ✅

Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force (Host-less)

getting OWNED

1.

Bio

"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"

...................................................................................

On Panel verification

The SHIP,

rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Dimension,

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

continues in the next post ...

2.

Bio

"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

...................................................................................

On Panel verification

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

...................................................................................

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things,

or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING,

like it's DYING"

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE,

against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

...................................................................................

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"

continues in the next post ....

3.

Bio

"the FORCE attacked the ship, threatening the stability of the planet ...

the Heroes were ABLE to DRIVE the FORCE into another Portal ...

and it Emerged Four Billion Years in the Past"

...................................................................................

On Panel verification

A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL)

are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR)

...................................................................................

"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED,

the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"

AND they're STILL holding their own 🙄

...................................................................................

The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal

...................................................................................

The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years

MM... givin that you use those Phoenix scans all the time, don't you agree that using low showings is a valid argument?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]INFINITY BEING

While it is true that Thanos claimed the Infinity Being to be the entity responsible for the creation of the universe back in the 90’s in Thanos Quest, since then the Infinity Being has been retconned and the ideas behind the IG and the I Being behind them have been revised ever since that time.

In the late 90’s after the Thanos Quest the I Being was stated to be a being OF reality that lived in the universe:

Infinity Gauntlets bio once again stating NOTHING about the I Being creating reality with its death but instead JUST the I Gems. That is in line with the late 90's revision i posted above [/B]

dontgetit

You do realize Diana is in the Ultraverse (which is within Another Multiverse).

When Diana said "Your Universe" she meant Your Multiverse,

which is true,

the First creation that was spawned from the Infinity Being's death,
w
as the First Multiverse. (houses 616 Reality)

No retcon of any kind, you just made that up.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The latest Infinity Gauntlet bio:

he Infinity Being as per current continuity created nothing and he lived within the current universe millenia ago. Upon his death the gems were created and thats that.

Gibberish.

The usual half truths mixed with kaka ...

It's not easy to read your scans, but I still made out what it said:

(top left corner)

"The Infinity Gems were once part of the primordial Entity Nemesis.

Lonely,

it ended it's existence rather than live AS the ONLY Sentience IN the Universe"

........................................................................

(bottom right corner)

"In That OTHER Multiverse ...

the remnants of Nemesis consciousness wreaked havoc in both Dimensions"

Did I not say Diana was in Another Multiverse when she said "Your Universe?"

swank

...................................................................

So I didn't see any retcon of any kind,

with your own scans and your own unreadable "updated bio"

This only proves that Nemesis was affecting Two separate MultiverseS at once,

thanx.

Which means that the Soul Gem and the LT were not hyperbolin when they both said,

the IG could conquer BOTH MultiverseS.
(the one that houses the Ultraverse and the 616 Universe)

..................................................................................

The first Entity in existence was the Infinity Being,

referrenced and stated TWICE On Panel in Official Canon Titles:

Thanos said the (Original) Infinity Being was:

"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"

"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it "

Then Thanos says, I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?

(which makes sense)

...............................................................................

"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"

"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ...

in ALL it's many forms"

.............................................................................

Diana of the Dark Shoppe (of another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

"Many Millennia ago in your Universe, (the Prime Multiverse that is)

there was a God with the power of Infinity,

even with control of ALL that is,

the God's loneliness could not be soothed,

by his own hand he died"

SAME shit as the Updated IG Bio, nice try pino.

ALL Official and Canon. 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM... givin that you use those Phoenix scans all the time,

I've NEVER posted a single Phoenix scan in this thread,

but I've had it with this spammer.

He's still under the delusion that he can prove Marvel itself wrong,

on the HOM Wanda debate.

Why don't you SPEAK UP! .... and give him a wake up call.

(Since it's ONLY me standing up for the truth, it's impossible for him to see it)

Originally posted by King Kandy
don't you agree that using low showings is a valid argument?

Some low showings are pis, and contradict the characters capability and powerset,

other times there are plot devices involved,

one must judge accordingly.

Don't worry yall,

none of this is happening,

it's all in Our and Marvel's imagination according to galactis storm. 🙄

But the Bio states exactly what's taking place On Panel.

So what ... Phoenix rules.

In other words ... nuts4

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