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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
On top of that the multiverse wasn’t created by the I Being. The multiverse in its current state was brought about by the M’kraan crystal:

The previous multiverse was destroyed and then the current one brought into place by the crystal.

In the above scans you see the M’kraan crystal destroying all reality, Phoenix helping reality to die without fear, therefore foiling the Dwellers plans to feed off of reality’s fear. you see Galan merging with the Cosmic Egg as beckoned by the Eternity of the previous reality, you see LT putting the Brothers into their rightful places in creation and then you see reality restarted.

loleyes

This is the funniest of all.

This Arc has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Original Galactus,

that came from the Previous Universe.

To begin with this story takes place in a Reality that DIVERGED from 616.

So how this Universe became the Previous Universe BEFORE 616 existed,

is not only a mystery but ridiculous to say the least.

(HOW did you come to that conclusion) 😆

Phoenix tries to Repair the Crystal again, and again NEEDING the X-Men's HELP

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Phoenix remembers the Man-Thing's advice,
and decides to send out a Telepathic Wave of Life-Affirming energy,

across this ALTERNATE Universe.

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What does this mean, "Life-Affirming Energy?"

On every World the Words are the same,

"when Death comes, do NOT die in Fear" ... blah blah blah.

That's it,

that's the incredible Feat this guy calls "Saving the Universe" hysterical2

Jean giving Living Beings in the Universe a "pep" talk before they DIE.

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Meh, they try to save the Universe anyway by Repairing the Crystal,

but that doesn't work,

and the Crystal shatters and destroys and recreates this ALTERNATE/DIVERGENT Reality.

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Some how Galan is thrown back into the picture, which is senseless,

cause Galan has been Galactus since the beginning of the Universe,

where did this Galan pop out of? hum

Atleast they keep it real,

and commit to Galactus' TRUE Origin completely,

it had NOTHING to do with the Phoenix.

And it's still the Universe that saves him NOT Phoenix.

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So this ALTERNATE Reality takes shape,

and perplexingly Galactus' Origin is playing out in the background.

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And this Alternate Reality that DIVERGED from 616 becomes anew again.

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So this is "saving the Universe?"

This is Phoenix saving the Universe from all damnation in the PREVIOUS Universe

in this ALTERNATE Reality that DIVERGED from 616 the Current Reality?

dontgetit

I countered all your points my boy, ALL.

You just keep coming back like an abused lawyer trying to explain yourself around the facts.

That's what's really tiresome.

You think you're the man cuase you post oversized scans that are irrelevant to the debate,

it's an old ploy that used to work, but KMC has adapted and learned.

So continue to self-proclaim yourself victorious all you want.

Tell us all that everyone's point has been dismissed by your greatness,

our interpretation backed up by Scans and Bios that corresponds with the event,

is moot, all that matters is that Phoenix rules all.

Yes, Phoenix rules,

But Phoenix has NEVER Created a Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER Remade a Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER Destroyed the 616 Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER defeated Eternity.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix in it's MOST purest Form, (a Hostless Avatar)

was OWNED by 6 Heroes and nearly KILLED by an Alien Ship.

So what, Phoenix rules.

Is this some kind of joke?

How about you two kiss and make up 😉

No seriously Galactic Storm make you own Thread with your own hierarchy and explain why, then Mr Master can make his with his explanations why. Then a member like myself can come read both of your hierarchies and make up his own mind about the issue (HOM wanda, Infinity Being you name it) it would be better. And you could make the agreement that you doesn't post in the other ones thread, all would be happy.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No seriously Galactic Storm make your own Thread with your own hierarchy

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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I believe all would be happier that way he could in your openion spread his bull somewhere els and you could in his openion make all the speculations and assumptions you want. As I see it, its a win win situation for both parties.

Els get guy in here he is lavyer after all 😛

Originally posted by Utrigita
I believe all would be happier that way he could in your openion spread his bull somewhere els and you could in his openion make all the speculations and assumptions you want. As I see it, its a win win situation for both parties.

Els get guy in here he is lavyer after all 😛

🙂

I will always respect both guys opinions. They differ. Its life. Its cool

Mr. M, is Vangaard from the Fantastic Force series

Um no, the hierarchy discussion was public access so telling GS that he can't be part of it is wrong.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um no, the hierarchy discussion was public access so telling GS that he can't be part of it is wrong.

Of cause. But I think it would be more giving for the rest of the members in the comic section if we have two hierarchies that disagree with basically everything the other one says, IMO that would be better for all parties and give a bigger discussion in the vs-forum.
It wasn't my meaning to give the impression that GS isn't allowed to post here, GS can post all he wants, but it would be better if they maked a new thread each and BOTH kept out the others so the pages didn't have to be filled with what is starting to look like a vendetta from both parties.

Just my thoughts on all this hierarchy talk.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
Um no, the hierarchy discussion was public access

Um no, the Hierarchy is public access but NOT to be Spammed with bull shit

Why is it you can't post your definite opinion about HOM Wanda?

I know what it is, what it has to be ... to any mind conclusively after Marvel's Official statement,

but I think you should Post it.

Hopefully that would help in ending some of the Spam.

Originally posted by King Kandy
so telling GS that he can't be part of it is wrong.

I wish he never stepped foot in here again, ever.

I would really love if he made his own thread

and stopped Spamming mine with repetitve bull shit that's been STOMPED again, again,

and again.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Of cause. But I think it would be more giving for the rest of the members in the comic section if we have two hierarchies that disagree with basically everything the other one says, IMO that would be better for all parties and give a bigger discussion in the vs-forum.
It wasn't my meaning to give the impression that GS isn't allowed to post here, GS can post all he wants, but it would be better if they maked a new thread each and BOTH kept out the others so the pages didn't have to be filled with what is starting to look like a vendetta from both parties.

Just my thoughts on all this hierarchy talk.

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You're making perfect sense.

I mean come on,

Marvel itself officially stated that the 616 Universe was transformed into the HOM.

That A-Hole continues to post a slew of over-sized scans,

STILL trying to demean Wanda's Feat. (THAT'S SPAMMING)

WHY DOESN'T ANYONE SPEAK UP!!!!!

House of M (Earth-58163)

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/House_of_M_%28Earth-58163%29

"It is indeed an Altered Reality --- not an Alternate Reality"

"It was so Altered that events that events that occurred in the history of Earth-616-normal did not necessarily affect those in the House of M Reality"

"Reality-58163 is a core Continuum designation for this unique Altered Reality"

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Earth-58163 (HOM Reality)

Is also Officially established as a Universe in the "REALITIES" menu at Marvel.com:

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/Category:Realities

As you can see,

it's in the company of, amongst others,

"Earth X" - "Ultimate Universe" - "MC2" - "2099" - Mutant X -

"1602"

shrug

Um, I gave you my opinion in a PM, so I don't know why you keep asking to hear it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, I gave you my opinion in a PM, so I don't know why you keep asking to hear it.

No.

Post it for he can see.

Aren't you sick of seeing this guy bull shit about Wanda's feat?

When is enough, enough? (HE"S SPAMMING the THREAD)

You KNOW he's full of shit so you don't wanna come across like that ... fine.

But atleast TELL what you KNOW to be the FACT and the TRUTH about HOM,

so atleast some of the SPAMMING might stop.

We're missing

Umar (who has or had the Totality of Eternity's power)

This hasn't been retconned, in fact, it's Canon.

Also,

Protege and Scathan hm

So should we include them?

What requested revisions to this Hierarchy are out there and why?

NO SPAMMERS please. 🙂

The NEW HIERARCHY!

1. TOAA/God (depicted as the Artist and Writer of Comics)

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2. (SHARED Spot)

The Infinity Being (created all the Realities)

THOTI (raw power of the Supreme Being)

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3. Scathan glare (I disaprove of this ... but it is Canon PIS)

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4. (SHARED Spot)

The LT (only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)

Protege (Protege never defeated the LT, he did copy his Power) ermmno I know, but it's Canon.

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5. The BeyonderS (tiny fraction of their power can Remake the Omniverse)

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6. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

Jaspers 616 (more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - Fury)

Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.

Jamie Braddock: (Warped the WHR, creates Universes to play with,
Merged Jaspers & Fury,
manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right)

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7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:

Matrix empowered Merlyn: (fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)

Edifice Rex: (was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)

Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (the embodiment of Omniversal connection)

FP CCU: (Remade the Omniverse, and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)

IG: (4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities, so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)

Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right: (the Hand of God, can sunder the Omniverse)

FP Meggan: (absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ... paused the Chaos Wave)

(These THREE I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)

HOM Wanda: (a Universal Warper, that can collapse the Omniverse,
if she uses her power even at a Global scale)

Vangaard: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)

The Celestial Nullifier: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)

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8. The Brothers: (guardians/embodiments of Two MegaverseS)

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(Multiversal Powers)

9. Masters of the Matrix: (their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix" the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)

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10. The UN: (can erase and Remake the Multiverse)

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11. Abraxas: (can collapse a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts in the Multiverse simultaneously)

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12. Molecule Man: (Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)

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13. Entropy (can Re-Create the Multiverse from nothingness)

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14. (SHARED Spot)

Umar (Posesses the Totality of Eternity's Power) ... Canon PIS.

Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (embodiment of the Multiverse)

Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)

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15. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.

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16. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:

The Infinites (handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)

The Makers (they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)

Atleza (Anchors an entire Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)

Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)

Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)

The Rot (erases Time & Space)

The Hunger (devours UniverseS)

Slorioth (absorbs UniverseS at all times)

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17. (SHARED Spot) in Order:

1. 616 Eternity/Infinity (embodiments of the 616 Universe)

2. White Phoenix of the Crown (can amputate a Timeline and Repair it)

3. Korvac (empowered by Galactus' World Ship) (made subtle Warps in the 616 Universe)

4. 616 (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

5. Rest of the Abstracts

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18. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:

1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's

2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)

3. rest of the Abstracts [/B][/QUOTE]

"Well... I guess that settles it... I don't like it, but there's no arguing with something so conclusivly stated."

About the new hierarchy, I see no reason Vangaard should be above the Brothers.

And Entropy has exactly equal power to Eternity, that's why he needed Genis's help to turn the tide.

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Well... I guess that settles it... I don't like it,

but there's no arguing with something so conclusivly stated."

Indeed.

House of M (Earth-58163)

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/House_of_M_%28Earth-58163%29

"It is indeed an Altered Reality --- not an Alternate Reality"

"It was so Altered that events that events that occurred in the history of Earth-616-normal did not necessarily affect those in the House of M Reality"

"Reality-58163 is a core Continuum designation for this unique Altered Reality"

swank

Originally posted by King Kandy
About the new hierarchy, I see no reason Vangaard should be above the Brothers.

I never really palce Vangaard, Wanda or the CN.

As you know Vangaard has a limited from of Omnipresence
(I like what Merlyn called it - nigh-omnipresence)

This is true because Huntara, who's power with her scythe is to open Portals into other Dimensions, saw multiple Vangaards existing simultaneously across "too Many" Planes (Realities) because that's her power.

Her power is Not to open portals to "planes of reality" but to Other Alternate Realities, this is why we saw 4 different versions of the Fantastic Four as you know.

But sine I have no conclusive number even ball park figure to estimate Vangaard's scale of influence< I'll agree and put him beneath the Brothers until further info appears on Vangaard, perhaps we'll lear he's weaker or mightier.

HOM Wanda is undoubtably a Universal Warper but as we know her power can collapse the Omniverse unwittingly, yes unwittingly but it's still her power doing the collapsing.

If the Chaos Wava was indeed the Same power Wanda was exercising within the 616 Reality, remember it was leaking through the 616 Rift into the Dimensional Walls of other Universes, then that would mean we would have to give Wanda credit for it.

The credit is, that Wanda was packing the same force within the 616 Universe

as the Chaose Wave was across the Omniverse.

The CN can erase any Universe in the Omniverse but as far as we know one at a time, I'm sure Roma could easily gather the Crystals and smash them all at once, Roma has control of TIme, she can take forever if she wishes and we'll never notice it. I have no conclusive proof this is possible so I'll the CN at One Universe at a time but any Universe within the Omniverse.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And Entropy has exactly equal power to Eternity, that's why he needed Genis's help to turn the tide.

I agree.

Infact, I don't think Entropy and Genis were really able to kill Multi-Eternity, Eternity gave himself up in a way, like he knew it was time to get recycled, then the Real Multiversal Big Bang took place, and Eternity was born anew through Entropy.

Entropy did have the power to re-create the Multiverse,
even though it's in his purpose as a Concept.

Well then that's one step down for Entropy...

I think the CN should be above Vangaard... Vangaard actually has to exert himself to destroy a universe... The CN just does.

Vangaard shoudl be like one or two steps down from where he is right now.

I disagree that Merlyn is below Jaspers, you have to remember that Merlyn is a Master manipulator, and he'd have no reason to stop Jaspers if he could get someone else to...

Remember, Jaspers was only a piece on Merlyn's chess board.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well then that's one step down for Entropy...

Cool.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think the CN should be above Vangaard... Vangaard actually has to exert himself to destroy a universe... The CN just does.

They seem about equal to me.

The CN can't erase a Universe without being used.

Vangaard can't destroy a Universe without waving his hand.

Also, the CN while it can be quickly reconstructed, is a bit on the vulnerable side, during HOM Jamie smashed it with a boulder, but Roma and Saturnyne were able to quickly repair it.

According to the Earth-721 bio,

Vangaard had just taken out 4 UniverseS back to back before he reached Earth-721 (remember the 4 Fantastic Four Realities Huntara looked into) those were the Realities Vangaard has just came from.

If you look at the scan, it seems he just flies by and wills the Universe away.

There's also the possibility that Vangaard can destroy multiple UniverseS at once,
since he has limited Omnipresence. (not too sure about this though)

Originally posted by King Kandy
Vangaard shoudl be like one or two steps down from where he is right now.

I agree he's not a true Omniversal power in the sense that he can't affect the Omniverse entirely simultaneously, but he can still erase any Universe in the Omniverse he wishes.

This is a tuff judgement.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I disagree that Merlyn is below Jaspers, you have to remember that Merlyn is a Master manipulator, and he'd have no reason to stop Jaspers if he could get someone else to...

Remember, Jaspers was only a piece on Merlyn's chess board.

I continue to struggle.

Jaspers was a game piece, there's no denying that, but is it possible that Merlyn took that chance? To allow a threat like Jaspers run around inorder to complete Roma's training?

Or did he know all along that he had the power to stop him if it came to that?

Or did know the Future (having control of Time and all) that Fury would stop Jaspers?

These are thought provoking questions but the problem is we Know for sure Merlyn said,

"I haven't the power to stop him"

I'm stumped on this one. 😕