Originally posted by lordboo
where would you place the goblyn force mr master?
thanks
Goblin Force doesn't exist anymore, Havok erased her from existence.
But if I had to place her she'd be right below 616 Eternity/Infinity but above the Phoenix Force.
The Celestails defeated her, but at the cost of many of their numbers.
616 Eternity>>>>Celestials
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, we know he said that for certain... But we don't know if he's telling the truth.So I'd Bump Merlyn up one notch or Jaspers down one notch.
If we don't have any conclusive info either way, I think we should give them a "Shared Spot"
I'm only considering this cause what you're saying is making sense, but it's not a certainty so it would be unfair for both characters.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I have a question, when the FF met TOAA (Jack Kirby), he said he had a collaborator (Stan Lee). Does this mean there are two OOAs? And if there are two doesn't that mean that neither of them can really be omnipotent or all powerful since they can override each other?
Originally posted by King Kandy
...That's what I said... If you put Jaspers one down or Merlyn one up, they WOULD be in the same tier.
I agree.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Hows the Jamie Braddock respect thread coming?
I just put together this crazy feat he performed, it's so juicy I feel like posting it here.
Jamie again controlling entire Alternate Realities while chillin in the 616 Universe.
It's a bit confusing cause I'm not sure if he created that Universe, or he was just in control of it, but at the end of the issue, Jamie is seen looking at a Comic book with the Cover illustrating an event that took place in the Alternate Universe.
As though he was either manipulating everything through the Comic, or, he had Created a Universe and placed it in the Comic, it's insane.
Jamie doesn't know that what he can do is real, to him it's all a Dream, so sometimes when he speaks, he detaches himself verbaly from his feats, as though it's just happening cause he doesn't even know it was him.
From the begining of the story, he does something that even surprises him.
I would love to post the relevant scans with no explanations of any kind, let yall read it,
and see what yall think happened.
Originally posted by Mr MasterInsatiable Galactus never actually absorbed a single Universe,
Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)
The Hunger (devours UniverseS)
Yet you're putting him above beings like HOM Genis, who CAN actually "blink a Universe out of existence", and Hunger who HAS actually devoured Universes?
I sort of disagree with that. 😬
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I have a question, when the FF met TOAA (Jack Kirby), he said he had a collaborator (Stan Lee). Does this mean there are two OOAs? And if there are two doesn't that mean that neither of them can really be omnipotent or all powerful since they can override each other?
And he didn't seem to have that reality altering power, evreything he did was with his pen (and ereaser) and it took time.
Neither no conection with any abstract's such as the Living Tribunal was made either.
I said it and I say it again, this was only a tribute to Jack Kirby, and futher more, he said that the writers were the ones that decided what would happen--not only him.
- It was just another 4th-wall breakthrough, Stan Lee have had a tiny roll in every Marvel movie since Spider-man the movie, and in each one of them he's only a human being he even got throwed out from Reed's and Sue's wedding, not really that God-like, huh?
If you like here is the script for the issue (original one)
Originally posted by Merlyn
Insatiable Galactus never actually absorbed a single Universe,
I never said he did.
I said he was in the process.
Originally posted by Merlyn
Yet you're putting him above beings like HOM Genis, who CAN actually "blink a Universe out of existence", and Hunger who HAS actually devoured Universes?
That's a Shared Spot in no particular order:
Originally posted by Mr Master
16. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:The Infinites (handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)
The Makers (they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)
Atleza (Anchors an entire Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)
Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)
The Rot (erases Time & Space)
The Hunger (devours UniverseS)
Slorioth (absorbs UniverseS at all times)
This is Tier 16,
it's not an easy Tier to arrange.
Originally posted by lordboo
mr m could the hunger devour the rot,or vice versa
That's a good question LB,
The Hunger seems more powerful in his complete manifestation,
because once the Hunger has most of his being inside a Universe it's over.
On the other hand, while the Rot also devours Time and Space,
it was stopped by a very amped up Thanos and Mistress Death working as one.
Still, that duo is no pushover but the Rot was in full form.
This is a tough one, I'm not too sure.
The Rot was eating Eternity himself, but so can the Hunger.
Hmm.
Originally posted by lordboo
what would be the outcome of such event.
They would probably cancel each other out.
They both consume Reality in the same form but with different strategies.
The Rot is a much smaller entity, who can access a Universe quicker and easier, then commences to absorb Time and Space into nothingness.
The Hunger feeds on Universes with it's own body, so in essence,
the Hunger's body is what covers a Universe thus erasing it from existence.
Good question LB, I will have to research this answer, I'm not satisfied with my speculation.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Honestly I don't really think he was supose to represent The-One-Above-All,
I'm going to disagree T.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Fantastic Four #511 was supose to be a tribute for Jack Kirby's passing.
Where did you read this?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
- He actually learns a bit from Reed as well while discussing with Reed, which proves that he wasent really omniscient in literal sense.
What?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
- And he was only refered to as God, not The-One-Above-All. In the Infinity Gauntlet arc the Living Tribunal tells Adam Warlock about The-One-Above-All, "The God above God's" so the title God (only) just don't cut it in my opinion.
Nah, nah, the God depicted in FF #511 was not just another "God"
he was the God of Marvel, the cat who draws all the characters to life,
ALL the Characters ... ALL!
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And he didn't seem to have that reality altering power, evreything he did was with his pen (and ereaser) and it took time.
That's all he needs, he can simply rub the LT or anyone else out with his eraser.
That was the point of depicting him that way, it's irony if you think about it.
The most powerful being in all of Marvel is a little old man with a Pencil. (Perfect)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Neither no conection with any abstract's such as the Living Tribunal was made either.
That means nothing.
God can either draw them or erase them, their drawn to life just for fun for him and whomever.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I said it and I say it again, this was only a tribute to Jack Kirby, and futher more, he said that the writers were the ones that decided what would happen--not only him.
I don't remember reading that,
I remember him sayin he had a collaborator,
which is fine cause to me that means a "Writer"
God is the "Artist"
and the Writer is his "collaborator"
(this is definitely a separate Entity cause God spoke to him on the phone)
TOAA? shrug
Is TOAA God?
Is the Collaborator an Aspect of God?
Therefore they are both God/TOAA as one?
hm (I love Cosmics)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
- It was just another 4th-wall breakthrough, Stan Lee have had a tiny roll in every Marvel movie since Spider-man the movie, and in each one of them he's only a human being he even got throwed out from Reed's and Sue's wedding, not really that God-like, huh?
Nah T, it's actually a Canon appearance by the God of Marvel in Comics.
Here's the Proof:
God/TOAA
(excerpt from the Fantastic Four Ultimate Guide)
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I have a question, when the FF met TOAA (Jack Kirby), he said he had a collaborator (Stan Lee). Does this mean there are two OOAs? And if there are two doesn't that mean that neither of them can really be omnipotent or all powerful since they can override each other?
Good question ... read above. 🙂
The God from #511 is omnipotent because he draws everything in Comics to life (to Comics)
ooh that reads wierd. 😂 but that's what it is.
No matter what off panel discussions take place between God and his collaborator it wouldn't affect Reality or the characters in Reality one tic, the characters in Reality actually everything within Comics depends on what they do.
In other words God>Infinity>the LT and everything else within the Comics.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Is it possible that the Infinity Being is the power from one of the creators, and the HOTU is the power from the other?
It's cool perspective but neither really exist anymore that we know of.
Well IB has the potential to exist again but the Heart should be gone.
Still, I wouldn't say so, because it seems that the Infinity Being is a character in Comics, while silly as it may sound, the God in #511 seems to be drawing what we are reading.
It's basically the Artist of real Comic books doing his work within the Comic he himself is drawing.
I hope your head isn't spinning but mine is. 😂
There's definitely Two of them, there's no questioning that.
Even the Bio states,
"Creators"
(Artist & Writer?)
