Originally posted by llagrok
How much do we know about the First Fallen and has he appeared in any comics outside the x-men ones?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't know, there has been so many Anti-Phoenix's it's kind of hard to tell. Claremont was pulled from the book before he got a chance to finish whatever he was doing.All we know is:
Originally posted by llagrok
has he appeared in any comics outside the x-men ones?
That I know of? No.
Jamie Braddock FEAT:
Jamie with a snap of his fingers turns on the TV to spy on the Excalibur team in another Universe:
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Suddenly, Excalibur bumps into a Woman that came from another Universe,
but she doesn't know how she got to the Alternate Universe Excalibur is in,
In fact, she think Excalibur was created by a so called "Alfie"
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Rachel looks into her mind and sees where the Woman is from: (Another Universe)
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While Excalibur is trying to figure out how the woman got there, Rachel takes a walk,
finds Nightcrawler and they dance, he did it to cheer her up:
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After Rachel thought she saw Spiral, she lit up into Phoenix and then something happened, somehow they switched places across Universes with Two beings from "Alfie's" Universe.
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All of a sudden Nightcrawler and Rachel are in "Alfies' Universe,
and Jamie is watching them all on TV:
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Rachel starts to pick on him cause he initially tried to get info out of them, we learn he is "Alfie O'Meagan the Compassionate" He never fight back and let's Rachel whose in a frenzy attack him. He dresses like Galactus but he is not, not according to Jamie's bio.
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Alfie realizes Jamie is watching all of them on a TV, Alfie says.
"I'm unique. Nothing and no one like me"
But as you can see Jamie is messing with his head.
continues in the next Post ....
Now this is really interesting.
The Two beings that are from Alfie's Universe,
figure out that they're some one's characters in a Comic Book:
"I will not be treated like some toy, provided for the amusement of Alfie O'Meagan"
The wiser of the Two (Nth Man) says,
"I suspect, though, This isn't altogether Alfie's doing" hm
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Now Nightcrawler feels bad for Alfie cause he's allowing Rachel to pound on him,
so he SEES Jamie again and asks him for help, but Jamie reaches through the TV to catch Nightcrawler: (mind you Jamie is in the 616 Universe)
"If you have the power, please stop this"
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Jamie, while trying to catch Nightcrawler on top of the TV,
presses a Remote control by accident or design,
Jamie hits the REW button and vanished:
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Nightcrawler experiences the Past events of Alfie's Reality. Nightcrawler sees when the Woman (who ended up in Excalibur's Alternate Dimension) disappeared while at the same time there's a Flash in the TV next to Alfie in the Past. Nightcrawler puts two and two together and figures some of it out:
The Remote controls Alfie's Reality:
"The Televisions are somehow in sync, Creating a Window between Dimensions"
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Nightcrawler reaches the Present where Rachel is kicking Alfie's butt,
he's seen enough and decides to press FF on the remote:
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Nightcrawler realizes the Remote is the "key" ....
"The Remote controls the Set ... the Set is an extension of Alfie's being,
but so long as it's link to Jamie's, it's out of his hands"
So Nightcrawler presses Cancel on the Remote.
and they instantly return to the moment they were dancing.
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So Rachel and Nightcrawler return to the team, Nth Man and his sidekick and the Woman, vanished:
This is again very interesting,
notice the Comic Book on the Floor (bottom right corner) It's a Nth Man Comic Book.
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Again, It's a Nth Man Comic Book (as you can see upper left corner)
on the Cover is Alfie battling Phoenix just like it happened in that Alfie's Universe.
Isn't it fascinating that Jamie has a copy of this Comic Book in his room in 616 with the SAME Cover?
Jamie even says,
"Bye-Bye Nth Man it's been - giggle - Real" (is he being sarcastic?) Sounds like it.
But Jamie also says,
"I wanted my piece of that Playground, he took the Comic Book with him"
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Does this mean the Universe (Alfie) is within the Comic Book in the Alternate Reality (Excalibur is in) and Jamie can manipulate that Reality (Alfie) within the Comic Book from his Comic Book in the 616 Reality?
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Did Jamie put that Universe within that Comic Book? (why would a Universe be in a Comic)
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Did Jamie create that Universe and Alfie all together,
and being insane he decided to control it from a Comic Book?
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Also notice the Cover picture fades away as soon as he loses complete interest in it.
Jamie says,
"Can't play with other Realities, Have to make my own"
Can it be that Jamie doesn't even Realize he was the creator of that Universe and Alfie?
After all,
Jamie Braddock thinks All Reality is a Dream he's having, he doesn't think anything is Real:
OBSERVE:
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Jamie says,
"I've been missing this my whole life ... almost a shame it's just a Dream,
imagine if I could do this in Reality?"
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's a good question LB,The Hunger seems more powerful in his complete manifestation,
because once the Hunger has most of his being inside a Universe it's over.On the other hand, while the Rot also devours Time and Space,
it was stopped by a very amped up Thanos and Mistress Death working as one.
Still, that duo is no pushover but the Rot was in full form.This is a tough one, I'm not too sure.
The Rot was eating Eternity himself, but so can the Hunger.
Hmm.
They would probably cancel each other out.
They both consume Reality in the same form but with different strategies.
The Rot is a much smaller entity, who can access a Universe quicker and easier, then commences to absorb Time and Space into nothingness.
The Hunger feeds on Universes with it's own body, so in essence,
the Hunger's body is what covers a Universe thus erasing it from existence.Good question LB, I will have to research this answer, I'm not satisfied with my speculation.
thanks 👆
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm going to disagree T.
Where did you read this?
"You´re no one´s PUPPETS, if THAT´S what you´re getting at. Nobody can do your living for you. No one can do your DYING for you.
We´re all our own storytellers. . ."
- This is not the word's of a God, it's the words of a storyteller.
What?
Nah, nah, the God depicted in FF #511 was not just another "God"
he was the God of Marvel, the cat who draws all the characters to life,ALL the Characters ... ALL!
Different writers have different stories and Jack Kirby is not a writer anymore.
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That's all he needs, he can simply rub the LT or anyone else out with his eraser.
That was the point of depicting him that way, it's irony if you think about it.
The most powerful being in all of Marvel is a little old man with a Pencil. (Perfect)
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Again, even Ben said.
"Mebbe we shoulda called AHEAD so he could DECORATE. I dunno what I was EXPECTIN´, but I ain´t exactly feelin´ th´ AWE `n´ MAJESTY.
You sure we´re in th´ right JOINT?"
This is only a 4th-wall breakthrough, and many chacters in comic's have done that.
- But the writer is the storyteller and not realy a part of the fiction, and ONE writer or editor does not own Marvel as you make it sound.
The owners of Marvel have the right to fire any editor and writer from Marvel comics.
That means nothing.God can either draw them or erase them, their drawn to life just for fun for him and whomever.
I don't remember reading that,I remember him sayin he had a collaborator,
which is fine cause to me that means a "Writer"
God is the "Artist"
and the Writer is his "collaborator"
(this is definitely a separate Entity cause God spoke to him on the phone)
TOAA? shrug
Is TOAA God?
Is the Collaborator an Aspect of God?
Therefore they are both God/TOAA as one?
hm (I love Cosmics)
Don't misuse the title TOAA, never have any writer been called that.
Nah T, it's actually a Canon appearance by the God of Marvel in Comics.Here's the Proof:
God/TOAA
(excerpt from the Fantastic Four Ultimate Guide)
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook)
I woulden't place him in a hierarchy, the basis for that being that he has no real feats. 🤣
I heard your opinion.
This is my offical stance on this subject.
There's NO need to reply, I will not change my mind unless Marvel makes changes.
Thanx ... let's not go in circles.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
- This is not the word's of a God, it's the words of a storyteller.
How does anyone know what the words of a real "God" are?
What more can a "God" be in a COMIC Book than an Artist
and a "storyteller?" (Writer)
Seriously, I think you're taking this "God" thingy a little to much to heart,
it's a Comic Book T, depicting the Artists and Writers of the Comics WE'RE Reading,
as God,
makes perfect sense. IMO.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
"We´re all our own stories. . ."Don't misuse the title TOAA, never have any writer been called that.
As you wish.
I'm not going to debate this and waste pages.
Two Official Bios say that's Marvel HEAVEN,
One Bio says, that's the God of Marvel,
and the other Bio states the "Creators allowed it"
(implying Two ... just like On Panel the Artist had a collaborator) the Artist.
I always said this, the Two Gods represent the Artist and Writer of any given story.
Which is where the line "we're all our own storytellers" comes from.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I know that the tribute is canon, it would be dishonerable if it wasen't.
It's canon not because of honour
It's canon because it appeared in an official Marvel title,
and was verified in Two official Bios as actually taking place.
That's the only reason it's Canon.
Unless you can find a statement sayin, "its canon cause they were honouring Kirby"
therefore mucking up the Canonicity of Continuity,
by including a tribute fairytale in its Cosmology. dontgetit
I'm not buying that without an offical statement from Marvel itself.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I woulden't place him in a hierarchy, the basis for that being that he has no real feats.
Except for drawing into Reality everything we read. 🙂
Try to understand, the God (Artist) represents ALL Artists (NOT just Kirby)
the "Collaborator" (Writer) represents ALL Writers (NOT just Stan)
Marvel.com says that the being the FF met is similar or the same as the being LT serves.
Put two and two together, Thanos_THOTU.
About the Jamie Braddock thing, I think it's a bit far fetched to say that Jamie created Alfie and that universe, it seems like Alfie made the universe and Jamie just used his powers to access it and mess with it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
[B]Marvel.com says that the being the FF met is similar or the same as the being LT serves.Put two and two together, Thanos_THOTU.
It only says:
They’ve faced the destroyer of everything – Galactus. Now they face the CREATOR of everything, as the Fantastic Four are reunited – in the HEREAFTER!
Originally posted by King Kandy
About the Jamie Braddock thing, I think it's a bit far fetched to say that Jamie created Alfie and that universe, it seems like Alfie made the universe and Jamie just used his powers to access it and mess with it.
I never had a conclusive opinion,
I gave you guys the scans with a brief summary and decided to let you guys decide for yourselves.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Does this mean the Universe (Alfie) is within the Comic Book in the Alternate Reality (Excalibur is in) and Jamie can manipulate that Reality (Alfie) within the Comic Book from his Comic Book in the 616 Reality?
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Did Jamie put that Universe within that Comic Book? (why would a Universe be in a Comic)
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Did Jamie create that Universe and Alfie all together,
and being insane he decided to control it from a Comic Book?
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Can it be that Jamie doesn't even Realize he was the creator of that Universe and Alfie?
My question is,
what was Alfie and his Universe doing in a Comic Book Jamie owned?
Originally posted by Juntai
I believe it said Galactus had previously defeated the entire host Aegis and Tenebrous belonged to. But that was never shown on panel.
I think you're right about that Jun.
Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer was the one who defeated them in the end of Annihilation
Yep.
Originally posted by Juntai
Haha, I got to it first.
😄
