Originally posted by leonidas
[b]A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES
[/B]
Ok.
Yet in that same book,
when Eternity shows Strange the Past, Present and some of the Future concerning
the Goddess which concerns the 616 Reality/Dimension/Universe,
Eternity does not allow Strange to retain his memory because it can make him
a potential threat to the Multiverse:
"No Man may know his Future ... lest it come Unravelled with results Dire,
for ALL the Multiverse"
Why would singular Eternity be able to threaten the Multiverse, through a Man?
Perhaps because of his connection to the Multiverse?
Perhaps because the Multiverse and himself, are one in the same?
As I proved with Eternity's (Single Universe) OWN Words:
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise My Totality
Originally posted by leonidas
eternity (singular) has ALWAYS been a multiverse unto himself.
Negative.
Eternity 616 is One Reality/Universe .. and nothing more.
Originally posted by leonidas
multi-eternity is just that -- multi-eternity. that in no way PRECLUDES each individual eternity from being seen as a multiverse.
Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE.
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.
I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)
Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:
Wait a minute!
As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,
I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"
Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂
Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,
it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW
those experiences too.
Originally posted by leonidas
even the marvel.com supports the notion:[b]He [Eternity]is every living thing and every living thing is him; thus he controls everything in all plains of existence with the exception of the Living Tribunal.
EVERYTHING IN ALL PLAINS OF EXISTENCE. eternity is comprised of multiple plains of existences/realities/universes. (see scan above) [/B]
Scan above doesn't prove a thing concerning this.
There are different Planes of Existence with in One Universe.
Physical, Astral and so forth ...
Sort of like when Korvac battled Starhawk
"we shall do battle on Every Plane of Existence"
The Physical Plane:
The Astral Plane:
The Sub-Conscious Plane:
Here Korvac mentions ALL Three Planes
It's all still in ONE Universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
regardless, he is still referenced as the sentience of the universe, but also the totality of creation, of existence, the sum of all things, etc . . .
Right, in One Universe.
Although Eternity is also the Sum of all things in the Multiverse,
they are one in the same.
Only that his Totality is the Multiverse,
while Universes or Aspects are his Fragments,
but it's still him.
Originally posted by leonidas
i've said it 1000 times: terminology in marvel is NOT UNIVERSAL. the terms are thrown around like this is a . . . well . . . fictional world. you -- NO ONE -- can impose a single hierarchy of terms when those terms are FLUID.here again, eternity saying that strange's dimension is only an infinitesimal portion of all he is:
Which is true,
cause Eternity is a Multiverse.
While Strange's Dimension/Universe is exactly that,
just One out of an Infinite number.
Originally posted by leonidas
what could you offer me to interfere in a matter only involving one dimension. (this is the whole goddess affair -- that eternity cares nothing about)you would risk your all against such an infintesimal part of myself . . .
Not that my proof will help, but for the onlookers.
"Yet it is of such Concepts that the MULTIVERSE is made,
for the MULTIVERSE is a Transfinite number,
that is a Number Greater than Infinity of Universes,"
These Universes are often popularly called,
DIMENSIONS."
Originally posted by leonidas
our 616 dimension (dimension and universe are [b]INTERCHANEABLE TERMS -- and yes i can show the scan to prove this if you need it) [/B]
I agree, and so can I.
Originally posted by leonidas
is only an infinitesimal part of eternity. SINGULAR.
I disagree.
Eternity is the Multiverse,
this is why Eternity said that One Universe is an infinitesimal part of himself.
Originally posted by leonidas
unless you want to go back and retcon ALL of eternity's appearances.which you seem to have done here:
😆
Originally posted by leonidas
your translation of "ALL ETERNITY" is . . . less than convincing in any event.
Tell it to Marvel who stated it, On Panel with art and dialogue.
Originally posted by leonidas
all of that -- and all of the multiverse references in that hilarious series are explained away SIMPLY.
I don't think so.
Originally posted by leonidas
not at all. you're simply ignoring the fact that OTHER terminolgy was also used:your 'little' universe.
you stepped foot in his UNIVERSE.
entering my UNIVERSE.
molding the UNIVERSE.
if only i could conquer the UNIVERSE myself . . .
just cuz you CHOSE to highlight multiverse, does NOT mean that was the onyl term referenced.
I've said it many times before Universe CAN mean Multiverse,
but Multiverse will NEVER mean Universe.
The term "MULTIVERSE" was mentioned about 10 times,
I mean come on already, how badly do you want it to mean Universe? shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
and since i've already shown eternity (singular) can easily be viewed as a multiverse unto itself, it doesn't matter anyway.
Actually it matter a lot,
cause you haven't shown anything that has changed my mind,
you've only strengthen my argument.
Originally posted by leonidas
the irony. seems you spent many many pages of debate wraping UNIVERSE to mean MULTIVERSE in THE END discussion.
I was warping jack duke,
the Term Universe HAS meant Multiverse in different titles.
Like I PROVED with the Insane Genis scans right Here:
"ENTROPY is the Son of,
Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...
Entropy has enlisted Captain Marvel in a Quest to Destroy His Father,
... Eternity and End All Creation"
After Entropy and Captain Marvel Destroy
Eternity, "whose Essence Encompasses the Multiverse"
Epiphany:
"Can't you see he's blaiming himself for failing to kill you and save the Universe?"
Captain Marvel:
"think of all the times you saved the Universe"
"Truth is. the Universe was living on borrowed time"
"the truth is, the Universe did END with a whimper,
Eternity didn't want to keep going"
On Panel PROOF it was the MULTIVERSE,
just in case the Backside Front page won't suffice:
"I (Genis) could have let you faced Oblivion with the REST of the MICROVERSE"
The MICROVERSE is OUTSIDE the 616 Universe
in another totally separate Universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
difference here is a have shown absolute proof that singular eternity IS made of multiple universes.
Negative.
Originally posted by leonidas
are you denying the scans above?
I'm disputing your interpretation of them.
Originally posted by leonidas
why would i need to?you're the one who continues to reference him ADMITTING he's never been shown before. i'm not denying his existence.
So you can't show me the term "Multi-Eternity" anywhere else?
Great,
so don't request to see his name when the Multiverse is presented On Panel,
with the name Eternity without the "Multi."
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm saying each singular eternity is more than you want to accept cuz it throws a big kink in your hierarchy.
dontgetit
Originally posted by leonidas
check out the history of the dark dimension, mon ami.
What about it?
It's a Universe separate from the 616 Reality.
It's a Universe unto itself.
Originally posted by leonidas
so . . . how about answering my initial query:please explain away -- without speculation -- the discussion between eternity and dormammu where they BOTH CLEARLY REFERENCE their past encounter. you haven't done it yet. this is as close as you've come, i'm afraid:
I did, with On Panel examples, it made no difference to you, and it won't,
regardless of the proof I believe.
Originally posted by leonidas
sounds pretty speculatory to me . . .
My point exactly.
Originally posted by leonidas
my explanation is both well supported and far simpler.
Of course you feel this way, it's your interpretation and opinion.
Why would you say otherwise.
Originally posted by leonidas
they both referenced that meeting because it was the SAME eternity dormammu challenged and lost to in the past. and it has the added advantage of not having to make up a [b]theory requiring mutli-eternity to somehow know implicitly what each singular eternity knows. [/B]
It's not a theory, it wish it was but it's an On Panel FACT,
and there's NO getting around it.
AGAIN:
Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE.
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.
I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)
Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:
Wait a minute!
As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,
I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"
Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂
Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,
it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW
those experiences too.
TRY explaining this away? 😏
Originally posted by leonidas
because that's the only way you can explain that discussion away. without imposing retcons.
Look above and read.
Originally posted by leonidas
sorry -- didn't mean to turn this into a debate in your thread, but, well . . . you bring it outta me. if you want to handle this in pm's from here on, no prob.
I think I've said all I need to on the matter.
Originally posted by leonidas
unless you want to impose a retcon yourself -- cuz no retcon has ever happened
Originally posted by leonidas
AND i didn't have to go back and self-impose retcons on any scenes to expain the events of that series away.
Originally posted by leonidas
or are you going to take the liberty of retconing THOSE scans as well?
Originally posted by leonidas
depends. if you call self retconning an appearance of singular eternity into an appearance of multi-eternity further proof, then i guess you're right.
Originally posted by leonidas
seriously? did you just go back and . . . retcon that appearance YOURSELF?
This is off topic and not cool, I don't appreciate this tone, (it ain't debating)
you don't like what I'm posting in MY thread,
with all due respect make your own,
then you can post your ideas all you want, as what is and what should be.
Thanx. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is off topic and not cool, I don't appreciate this tone, (it ain't debating)you don't like what I'm posting in MY thread,
with all due respect make your own,
then you can post your ideas all you want, as what is and what should be.
Thanx. 🙂
winner by control-issue wuss out, LEONIDAS!!! yayyayay
Originally posted by manorastroman
winner by control-issue wuss out, LEONIDAS!!! yayyayay
Whatever this means ... but anyways,
You spoke your piece at the very top of this page,
you didn't have to read a single thing Leon or I said to come to that conclusion,
then again your opinion is meaningless to me, because I know your agenda.
I will appreciate it though if you'll contain yourself from spamming my thread,
unless you have something of consequence to add
other than agreeing with Anyone that disagrees with Mr Master?
I've requested this before from you,
you listened then but must've forgotten.
Thanx. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever this means ... but anyways,You spoke your piece at the very top of this page,
you didn't have to read a single thing Leon or I said to come to that conclusion,
then again your opinion is meaningless to me, because I know your agenda.
I will appreciate it though if you'll contain yourself from spamming my thread,
unless you have something of consequence to add
other than agreeing with Anyone that disagrees with Mr Master?
I've requested this before from you,
you listened then but must've forgotten.
Thanx. 🙂
and you must have forgotten when i explained to you that disagreement isn't tantamount to "agenda" (who says shit like that on a comic forum?)
all i have to add is a third party view, as someone who read through the last three pages of the back-and-forth.
you are, however, sincerely welcome.
Originally posted by manorastroman
and you must have forgotten when i explained to you that disagreement isn't tantamount to "agenda" (who says shit like that on a comic forum?)
In some cases case it is. 😏
Originally posted by manorastroman
all i have to add is a third party view,
Same view as always.
Anyone vs Mr Master
Anyone wins.
Originally posted by manorastroman
as someone who read through the last three pages of the back-and-forth.
glare
Originally posted by manorastroman
you are, however, sincerely welcome.
Cool, so again, unless you're going to add something to the deabte,
we know your opinion after you "read through the last three pages" ...
No need for you to post again,
have a good day. 🙂
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I dunno. I think some of them are over cube beings.
You're actually right about that.
The only difference between Cube Beings and guys like Cyttorak who is more powerful, is Cyttorak is basically a prisoner in his own Realm.
While the Cubes can traverse the Multiverse as they please.
Let's not forget that Kubik and Post retcon Beyonder are the most powerful Cubes.
Kubik has Warped a Pocket Universe before like nothing,
Post-retcon Beyonder was a Universe but not as powerful as Eternity.
Cyttorak is a Universe unto himself, but not as powerful as Eternity.
When Strange was trapped inside Cyttorak's Universe,
Strange couldn't use his powers, because he was so detached from Reality 616:
Cyttorak IS the his Universe, literally:
The Elder Gods, like Chton are very powerful,
but from what I know only Chton of the Elder Gods could possible pass Kubik.
For some reason Gaia, Atum, Set and the rest are simply not in Choton's league.
Set was stalemated for a long time by heroes.
Gaia only has the power of Earth.
Demogorge is more powerful than both.
