Yea your right, I guess we'll have to wait and see. But still if they don't end up together, Jack goes back to being the same way he was. Liz goes back to being the proper and fine lady we see in POTC 1, DMC would have no meaning. Why go in to so much trouble and make us think that the characters were changing and evolving. It would be pointless. They could've left the movie with one part. Do you see what I'm saying?
WHy would Liz have to go back to anything? Maybe she enjoys life on the sea and decides to remain? Who is to say that we dont find out that Jack enjoyed being how he was. It WILL NOT make the movie pointless people. You are being so single minded. Jack/Liz. Trust in Ted and Terry's writing regardless of the outcome. You may not like it but I dont see how you can say it would make the movie pointless. There are A LOT of themes going on that need resolution that you obviously missed in DMC.
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
WHy would Liz have to go back to anything? Maybe she enjoys life on the sea and decides to remain? Who is to say that we dont find out that Jack enjoyed being how he was. It WILL NOT make the movie pointless people. You are being so single minded. Jack/Liz. Trust in Ted and Terry's writing regardless of the outcome. You may not like it but I dont see how you can say it would make the movie pointless. There are A LOT of themes going on that need resolution that you obviously missed in DMC.
Oh I'm pretty aware of the other points in the movie that need resolution. All i'm saying is that the most important part in the movie are the characters, and they are definitely going to need some kind of closure. I'm not saying that Jack's character didn't enjoyed being who he is, was. I don't know if you remember Becket's line, "Jack must find a place in this new world or he would perish". I mean we wouldn't want this character to die. Therefore Jack has to find a place in life in order to survive. Why go in to so much effort to try to change his character,in DMC we saw a different Jack Sparrow, totally different from the first one.
He was still Jack Sparrow but there was something different in him. I bet I wasn't the only one that noticed it. This character is evolving, it was something that us viewers didn't expected, no not Ole Jack. I bet everyone else felt in love with that concept. :COUGHS I BILLION: Jack a different man? I do trust in TnT writings, I mean they are awesome writers. I have seen many of their movies not just POTC. But if people don't like the movie how is it going to be successful? Jack doesn't have to completely change in order to be a good man, I didn't say that, and i'm not saying that. We just want to see this character given some kind of closure.
Let's compare, shall we?
If the camera was supposedly blocking 😂 then why did liz looked at jacks direction? Will was a few feet away where jack was standing. Why didnt she looked on that exact location where Will came from. There is no way that the compass was pointing to Will. I personally think that it pointed to the chest at first bc she was truely inspired by jacks story about the chest and to have Will safe. It no moment did the compass pointed to Will.
This whole thing about liz wanting Will through Jack is just bogus. These 2 men are so different from eachother. How can she want will through Jack?! 😱 In no scene theres Liz saying that I want Will and I to be married. She only wants the wedding night which jack can in fact perfor 😆 and we never see her once straight to wills face saying I love you. She loves Will but is not in love with him. Her hearts desire is to have Will safe not to want him. In the you smell funny she says to save will Her hearts intetions for will is to have him safe so then she could have the waffle all to herself 😂
Originally posted by Surreal_44
If you'd like to call Ted a liar, then by all means do so. Better do it to his face though, since talking behind someone's back is rude.Apparently, Ted's belief is that the compass is pointing at Will, which I find extremely interesting. Besides, we don't know exactly where Will got off the ship (I somehow doubt he waited until the ship went underwater to get off. Probably as soon as they came in view of the island he was in the water, swimming away from the ship), so when the compass 'points' at Jack, it could actually be pointing at Will.
Also, when she's wandering around on the beach, looking for the chest, and the compass keeps swinging around, she actually heads in the direction that Will appears from before she turns back around.
The compass still worked to find the chest. She just misread what the compass said. She thought it pointed at Jack, it was actually pointing at the chest.
Sorry, guys, but nice try. Will and Elizabeth are in love, and will probably get married. If Will does end up dying (though I've seen nothing that supports that truth except a nasty magazine article that looks rather suspicious), I somehow doubt that Elizabeth is just going to fall into Jack's arms.
She has a better chance of ending up with Norrington than she does with Jack. Just because Jack and Elizabeth look nice together doesn't mean that they should or will end up together.
Everything that you point out as being a J/E moment (Oh look, the sky is blue!!!) can be easily and logically explained away. The ONLY way YOUR ship works is if Will dies or suddenly vanishes. That fact alone should tell you that your ship has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Normally I wouldn't get this riled over J/E shipping. I can debate politely with anyone, given the opportunity. You can even call me any name that you like, but when you DARE to insult the WRITER of this film and try to pass off his opinion as LIE because it intrudes on your false little dream of a ship...That is IT.
You have absolutely NO BUSINESS calling Ted a liar just because you don't like what he said. Nor should you ever, EVER call someone's ideas crap. People are allowed to write or believe what they want about the movie, and until it comes out, you are just going to have accept it. You can debate all you want, but NOT LIKE THAT.
Got it?
what you dont get is that any loser can post that kind of information online. Like you once oh so memorebly said theories are not facts.
I can come online to kttc and post something and pretend to be Ted/Terry posting all that nonesense caca that you wrote there. Compass doesnt lie. Its impossible that the compass could be pointing at will in jacks direction. oh wow some miracle.
And I have buisness on calling ppl liars because they friggin got nothing else to do then make up BS sotries. I dont believe in nothing that they post in ktttc or the internet. The only fact that we will seek is in the movie and the trailer.
Im debating by facts only and patterns, not by pyscho ppl who post made up crap. YOU HAVE NO BUISNESS in calling us a liar and telling that we are twisting facts when youre the one doing it. Debate all you want buddy but the facts are clear and they are in your face. Problem is the future captain eunichs fish face tentacles are blocking your face.
so you, better start counting your days till May 25th 2007. The only fact that you can proove is form the movie not form internet made up crap.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
If you'd like to call Ted a liar, then by all means do so. Better do it to his face though, since talking behind someone's back is rude.Apparently, Ted's belief is that the compass is pointing at Will, which I find extremely interesting. Besides, we don't know exactly where Will got off the ship (I somehow doubt he waited until the ship went underwater to get off. Probably as soon as they came in view of the island he was in the water, swimming away from the ship), so when the compass 'points' at Jack, it could actually be pointing at Will.
Also, when she's wandering around on the beach, looking for the chest, and the compass keeps swinging around, she actually heads in the direction that Will appears from before she turns back around.
The compass still worked to find the chest. She just misread what the compass said. She thought it pointed at Jack, it was actually pointing at the chest.
Sorry, guys, but nice try. Will and Elizabeth are in love, and will probably get married. If Will does end up dying (though I've seen nothing that supports that truth except a nasty magazine article that looks rather suspicious), I somehow doubt that Elizabeth is just going to fall into Jack's arms.
She has a better chance of ending up with Norrington than she does with Jack. Just because Jack and Elizabeth look nice together doesn't mean that they should or will end up together.
Everything that you point out as being a J/E moment (Oh look, the sky is blue!!!) can be easily and logically explained away. The ONLY way YOUR ship works is if Will dies or suddenly vanishes. That fact alone should tell you that your ship has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
Normally I wouldn't get this riled over J/E shipping. I can debate politely with anyone, given the opportunity. You can even call me any name that you like, but when you DARE to insult the WRITER of this film and try to pass off his opinion as LIE because it intrudes on your false little dream of a ship...That is IT.
You have absolutely NO BUSINESS calling Ted a liar just because you don't like what he said. Nor should you ever, EVER call someone's ideas crap. People are allowed to write or believe what they want about the movie, and until it comes out, you are just going to have accept it. You can debate all you want, but NOT LIKE THAT.
Got it?
that wasnt teds belief that was Stab o The Cutlass's belief!
the only thing Ted said was the FIRST thing..geeze!
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
[B]WHy would Liz have to go back to anything? Maybe she enjoys life on the sea and decides to remain? Who is to say that we dont find out that Jack enjoyed being how he was. It WILL NOT make the movie pointless people. You are being so single minded. Jack/Liz. Trust in Ted and Terry's writing regardless of the outcome. You may not like it but I dont see how you can say it would make the movie pointless. There are A LOT of themes going on that ne
I know you dont believe me but it would make Dead Man's chest and AWE pointless if each character ended up exactly the same as they were during movie 1...that is BAD script writing there's one thing I learned when writing screenplays in college.."dont add anything pointless in" because it will piss off the audience...it never happens in successful stories..they usually follow the 12 steps and each character in DMC appears to be following them at different paces.
imagine if Leia and Hans said "I love you!" "I know" and then they didnt end up together in some way..you would look over the trilogy again and say "hang on a sec....then why did that happen in movie 2 between them?"
then we look at Harry Potter..imagine if by the end of it he decided not to kill voldermort and instead he decideds to go back and be normal kid with his aunt and uncle..
the question would be:
"Ok why did they build up to something and then not even go through with it?"
you just dont do that in stories/movies/trilogies.
If they are to end exactly the same as they were then firstly it doesnt make sense of the theme raised in DMC and AWE of changing from the old world or persishing in the new world. each character neds to change to suit the new world..and we actually see an emotional battle going on with each character between something old and familiar and something new and intrusive..it seems to be about them learning to embrace the new thing in their lives before the old world ends.
What I find interesting is how they are saying movie 4 will be a "reinvention not a continuation" from movie 3...the way movie 3 ends in that script I have? I can see why
Why is it randomly Liz in the future with a 9 year old son?..no indication of Will sleeping with her in the script?
they are going to probably start over the love story between Jack/Liz in movie 4 without Will being there and explain how that bizzare ending in AWE came to be possibly?
I think they are missing something out of the scripts when it comes to that ending..I mean what a whimper to go out on unless Jack is in the last scene of course...its got to be some sort of cliffhanger that will make people eager to see a 4.
I think they are making everyone appear to return to how they were then we get fast forwarded to the future and see something that shocks the heck out of us when it comes to Jack...cliff hanger for a prequel type story?
exactly if they are to do a prequel type thing after how AWE ends in the future..then the characters will need to start off at odds with one another for it to make an interesting story for 4.
they cant start out movie 4 being together..they have to start out at "odds" with one another..which is why we will probably see Jack and Liz "far appart" after Will does you know what then zoom to the future and "WHAT THE HECK?"
that kind of ending would mean that DMC, AWE wasnt a waste of time on screen..all that stuff DID mean something and did amount to something in the end.
It would mean
Jack didnt begin to fall in love then revert back to thinking women were bitches and so they should be treated like them..
Elizabeth didnt realise she has feelings for Jack..begin to accept them and then revert back to a life in port royal wih no one.
what kind of character develops backwards in a story?
its the teasing tactic that makes their relationship interesting on screen its like "yeah something happened between these two after the events of AWE wanna know what? Well you have to watch movie 4"
I have to agree...we base our arguments on facts we see in the movie...and there is no doubt in my mind that on two specific occasions the compass pointed to Jack while liz held it...and I caught on to that the first time I saw the movie in the theatre..amongst the heavy laden plots going on all around...before I ever heard of this forum....before I ever realized that there was a bunch of other people out there that had the same feelings and ideas that I had about this moive.....
the first time of the pearl..there is no doubt that the compass points to Jack....and on the beach...or else the camera wouldn't have put so much focus on it...it was so obvious...because honestly this movie was so hard to understand and follow the first time I saw it...but that was the one thing I did pick up on that Jack and Liz want each other....and Keira the actress even says so herslef in countless interviews...she says...the relationship between Will and Elizabeth is falling apart while something rather interesting develops between her and Jack Sparrow.....so choke on it....
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
I have to agree...we base our arguments on facts we see in the movie...and there is no doubt in my mind that on two specific occasions the compass pointed to Jack while liz held it...and I caught on to that the first time I saw the movie in the theatre..amongst the heavy laden plots going on all around...before I ever heard of this forum....before I ever realized that there was a bunch of other people out there that had the same feelings and ideas that I had about this moive.....the first time of the pearl..there is no doubt that the compass points to Jack....and on the beach...or else the camera wouldn't have put so much focus on it...it was so obvious...because honestly this movie was so hard to understand and follow the first time I saw it...but that was the one thing I did pick up on that Jack and Liz want each other....and Keira the actress even says so herslef in countless interviews...she says...the relationship between Will and Elizabeth is falling apart while something rather interesting develops between her and Jack Sparrow.....so choke on it....
its so true. 🙂 i think its clear what ship the actors are on.
yeah when everyone is trying to say the compass is pointing to will when liz holds it, thats the silliest thing i've ever heard. come on guys. it if is pointing to jack onscreen, its pointing to jack. its as simple as that. the writers have confirmed that it was pointing to jack. waffles, remember? lol.
Will is in the other direction when the compass points at Jack..thats what Ted was trying to say with that paragraph..the blocking is not what Jack is standing on. The blocking is the mountain thing that the dutchman (that will is on) is hiding behind..the thing she doesnt see when she says "It certainly doesnt show you what you want most" right after that line WE see something sh doesnt know it tells us that it IS telling her what she wants most..and Its Jack...its something she cant see...the compass is not pointing at her fiancee its pointing at Jack.
I made a really crude sketch to try and explain it lol..(yes I'm sad with too much free time)
this is where everyone is when the compass points to Jack..Ragetti and Pintell are by the boat...
after this scene we get to se what is behind that blockage..and its the dutchman hiding there we know something she doesnt when she says that line..that it really IS pointing to Jack and not Will's location...poof that the dutchman is in fact there? Davy looks through the telescope at Ragetti and Pintell..then it cuts to them seeing it sink and its RIGHT there to the N/E
Jack's line to liz "true enough..this compass does not point north" 😉
truth being it points S/W to jack 😂
Will obviously comes from over there..I think he was pulled with the waves as the dutchman went under to some extent..he appears from the same spot the sea monster men do moments later
yeah i think people need to just accept that when the compass is pointing at jack, its pointing at jack. they wouldt throw that in if it were secretly pointing at will--- that would be dumb. why would anyone even make that argument? thats retarded.
it doesnt mean liz and jack are going to be together forever or anything, but its pointing at jack, and like ted said, it really does point to what you want most at that moment.
so whatever happens, we know for a fact there have been mutliple moments where liz has wanted jack more than will.
thats a great drawing. i am not a spatial person at all so it really helped me out. i always get all my head confused trying to sort those things out. want to do some diagrams of the caribbean: where everyone it is at various moments in the movie diagram? lol.
LOL^^
they all run to the middle of the island..and Liz's back then faces where pintell and ragetti come running from (the boat behind her)..they run along that green line too...then we see the sea monsters come from where Will came ..they swam around the right "corner" of the island and I think Will did too..but he was a bit ahead of them.
"If you watch the blocking in the scene on the beach before Elizabeth says the compass doesn't work and doesn't show you what you want (and the blocking immediately after), you'll know something that Elizabeth doesn't."
Just to clarify what he really did say^
I looked at the sand dune Jack was standing on then I looked at it directly after her line and no hint of anything Liz doesnt know about that we are supposed to see.
but then it cuts to that blockage in front of her and whats obscured from her view but not ours..(davy/will/dutchman)
yay!!!! 🙂
okay, something i still have a problem with in this scene... maybe its been cleared up before, but do you guys know...
how does Jack know the compass is pointing to the chest and not Elizabeth---- how does he know she's sitting on it? if the compass has been pointing to her for him anyways, whats up with him suddenly being so sure it IS pointing to the chest???
she was led to the chest and she's standing on it..so then the compass need not point to that anymore..so it points to what she wants most as well as wanting to save Will.
I think Jack just thinks its pointing to the chest because he knows shes been lead to it and the compass points back at it for him (was it really pointing to her for him there?)
cuz it actually did what ted said it was doing for Jack earlier on in the movie but this time it settles on a location.
