Oh! I remember one thing I was going to say about the compass...Ted said that if we watch closely, we'll see something Elizabeth doesn't see. I pondered on that for a bit, and well, I did notice something....
First of all, both times the compass points to Jack, he's....well...he's posing. *ggg* I don't know how else to describe it, except that he's posed...once with the spyglass, and once with his hand on his hip and looking all studly and such.
But what I really, really noticed is that Jack is never looking at Elizabeth...he's always looking away from her when she's looking at the compass and getting all frazzled that it's pointing to him.
Also, until Norrington pointed out to her how she was behaving with Jack, the compass did not point at Jack...and I assume that it was not continuously pointed at him, or else they would not have found the chest. 😄
Will is wearing his wedding shirt and vest, possibly, but the jacket is definitely not his wedding garb. He got that on the Black Pearl.
I'm still not up to doing an in-depth J/E argument, but never you worry; I'm writing down all my brilliant thoughts and when I'm better, I'll have an entire novel to share with you. 😄
But what I really, really noticed is that Jack is never looking at Elizabeth...he's always looking away from her when she's looking at the compass and getting all frazzled that it's pointing to him.
Ok and your point here is? why do you think Jack wasn't looking at her. I don't think that has no meaning but if you find one feel free to post it.
Also, until Norrington pointed out to her how she was behaving with Jack, the compass did not point at Jack...and I assume that it was not continuously pointed at him, or else they would not have found the chest. 😄She didn't have it open before Norrington arrived, she opened it afterwards. It wasn't continuously pointing at him, because she didn't have it open all the time.
Will is wearing his wedding shirt and vest, possibly, but the jacket is definitely not his wedding garb. He got that on the Black Pearl.
I don't really care what Will was wearing.
I think the fact that Jack is posing is what puts more emphasis on the fact that the compass is pointing to him....it's so obvious.....Liz thinks the compass doesn't work cuz it keeps pointing to Jack....she's also alarmed at the possibility of what Jack says to her in the curiosity conversation...that's why out of the blue (right after he says "you won't be able to resist) she says "why doesn't your compass work?)...she is in denial....she knows the compass keeps pointing at Jack and it's got her "troubled"....she knows she's attracted to Jack or else she wouldn't be all flirty with him, hence she is "troubled"....oh well...no matter what Surreal comes back with...I still believe in all the clues and symbolisms...
Originally posted by LovelyOne
Surreal44..the compass would have pointed there anyway because moments before Jack suggested he have sex with her and we see her secretly smiling at the thought..she's smitten with him..shes attracted physically and mentally to him.lovethemtigers you are right
😄 Thank you, LovelyOne...I made great posts on here and the "Am I missing something thread"...but Surreall 44 (he's been sick) and Pirates Life Fo (course he's been busy) totally look over my posts and I never get any comments from them....what about my long posts with all the clues and "facts" that point to Jack and LIz...what about my response to Surreall about what Jack is really all about....
I sooo agree with Kate and Lovely when you gals talk about how Jack isn't changing...he's just revealing his true nature....we know Jack is a good man and that he hates that about himself...because it leaves him vunerable to getting hurt, getting betrayed....look what happens to him at the end of DMC...but he is smiling....he knows Liz has come over to "his side"...in his mind, she has chosen him over the whelp....ESPECIALLLY WHEN SHE MOVES IN FOR THAT SECOND KISS>>but backs off....
Okay, here it goes...If ....If...IF....she did it to save the crew and Will and herself only....after what Jack had just done for them and her...then I will be pissed at Liz...and her character will be someone very unlikeable...but if she did it partly for that and partly to rid herself of temptatation...then, as crazy as this sounds, it makes Liz redemeable...likeable....it's all about forbidden love....cuz then she did act on selfish impulse...."one day you won't be able to resist"...and she couldnt', could she...not only did she give into kissing Jack but she also acts selfishly by getting rid of that temptation so she wouldn't have to chose between Jack and Will...she took Jack's old "cowardly, selfish" way out of the situtation...
WE'VE SAID THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN...THE JACK THAT RETURNS TO THE PEARL...IS A JACK WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE...HE'S NO LONGER WITTY AND COWARDLY...HE'S SERIOUS, STRONG, BRAVE AND GOOD-HEARTED.....I WILL BELEIVE UNTIL I'M TOLD OTHER WISE IN AWE OR BY JOHNNY OR BY TED OR TERRY...JACK WAS GOING TO STAY BEHIND OF THE PEARL...THAT'S WHY HE ALLOWED LIZ TO KISS AND CHAIN HIM UP......JACK MET THAT KRACKEN WITH ALL THE BRAVERY AND MANLINESS I'VE EVER SEEN IN A MOVIE....AND AS LOVELY HAS SAID...WHAT GIVES MAN THAT KIND OF COURAGE....THE LOVE OF A WOMAN......DESPITE WHAT ELIZABETH SAYS AND DOES...JACK KNOWS THAT SHE WANTS HIM....DESPITE EVERYTHING....I THINK JACK IS GOING TO FIGHT FOR THAT LOVE IN AWE...OR I HOPE HE WILL....WE SHALL SEE....RAMBLING NOW...TA-TA
Right...that is the most significant line in the whole dang movie...."Abandon ship into the longboat"...."Jack, the Pearl?"...."She's only a ship, mate.".........SHE'S ONLY A SHIP, MATE......we know that Jack loves the Pearl more than anything...until now...he's found something he loves more....Elizabeth, IMO......the compass led him back to the Pearl to save Liz and the others....he returned the longboat to them so they could escape...without the longboat they are doomed...
Ya know...I always hated on KTTC when they claimed Jack was selfish for returning to the Pearl because he knew the Kracken was after him and he was endangering everyone...well, without Jack and the longboat they would have perished...so JACK was self-less when he returned to the PEARL.....
plus he didnt yell and said HELP ELIZBAETH HAS GONE PYSCHO AND CHAINED ME UP!! He decided to stay and sacrifice himself for the sake of Liz and others.
Anyways in Jacks return, he didnt bring the Kraken. The kraken was already there to begin with. And it was trying to get the pearl not Jack. The krkaen didnt attack the long boat.