okay. that makes sense.
so question... where do you download movie 2? cause i have the first half but i really want the second half, cause thats the exciting half. lol.
lovelyone, i think you were on wordplayer recently. either that or someone has really picked up all your theories and is running with them. lol. is your sn like maz or something?
biggest laugh of my life. i popped over to kttc (oh dont ask why) and they have a group of people who are lobbying for a Beckett/Liz match up.
and they think we're delusional??? oh my goodness. LOL.
and guess what else? i've been unbanned. wierd huh. so now i can post outrageous things again until i get banned again!!!
Originally posted by katelovespirate
biggest laugh of my life. i popped over to kttc (oh dont ask why) and they have a group of people who are lobbying for a Beckett/Liz match up.and they think we're delusional??? oh my goodness. LOL.
and guess what else? i've been unbanned. wierd huh. so now i can post outrageous things again until i get banned again!!!
I SAW that!!! That....freaked me out a bit...
Originally posted by LovelyOne
LMAO!if they bring up the compass pointing at will shove what Terry said and what i said i their faces lol..feel free to use the crude drawing 😂
hahaha okay! im definately not going to stick around there, i'm just planning how to go out with a big bang. lol.
yeah over there, there is quite a number of people who ship beckett/liz (OMGSH wtf) and barbossa/liz (yet they still use the "jack is too old for liz" argument agains j/l, again, wtf) and i guess their new thing is tia/jack.
so, i think we need to really freak them out. we need to find a slightly reliable site and get a fake interview posted on it, which is j/l centered and see how they respond to it. gee, when did i get so mean and conniving? lol.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Ppl are still saying that we are twisting facts which its actually them twisting them. theres no way liz wants Will through Jack, theres a difference between wanting a fruit cake and a hot, delcious waffle.
HAHAHAHAHA oh my gosh that was the best thing ever. a fruitcake. LOL.
We know that Liz doesnt really want a feast because in 1, she eats that feast with Barbossa but stops eating after only a few bites, convinced its poisoned. even when she finds out it wasnt poisoned, she stops eating and doesnt have anything else. Know why? she didnt want a big gross pig on a tray. she wanted a waffle. 😄
Originally posted by katelovespirate
HAHAHAHAHA oh my gosh that was the best thing ever. a fruitcake. LOL.We know that Liz doesnt really want a feast because in 1, she eats that feast with Barbossa but stops eating after only a few bites, convinced its poisoned. even when she finds out it wasnt poisoned, she stops eating and doesnt have anything else. Know why? she didnt want a big gross pig on a tray. she wanted a waffle. 😄
Great example. Liz had all the feast that she wanted but it wasnt enough to satisfy her needs.
Will=Feast. She tries to have the whole feast and she can have all that she wants but it will never satisfy that empty feeling.
Jack=Waffle. Elizabeth notices that the answer is right there to her face and only one thing can satisfy her which is the waffle. That waffle catches her attention and she realizes that she can have all the feast that she can have but nothing will make her as satisfied as that waffle.
With Will she could stay with him for years and years. But he can never satisfy her needs and fill that empty hole.
I think that {refering to the compass thing} the compass pointed to Elizabeth and Jack said that she was sitting on the chest. I know that Jack didn't fall in love with Elizabeth at that time, he was still confused and not willing to realize he had an attraction to her PERSONALITY as well as her apperence. He was still the shallow minded Jack, so he was still wanting matierial possesions.
So on the ship, before he found Elizabeth, the compass was spinning. In three serperate ways, I think the first way was Elizabeth and the second was the chest. He wanted to cheat death and live so he NEEDED that chest, but he still WANTED Elizabeth. I don't know what the third point was pointing to.
So when it pointed to where Elizabeth was sitting, it made up its mind. Cause Elizabeth AND the chest was there, so Jack wasn't torn between two things. They were coincidentally in the same place, that's why the compass didn't swing to a different place for him.
Actually, I think it he knows that she's found the chest because he was torn between two courses of action---saving his own skin in finding the chest, and exploring what his interest in Elizabeth is. Then, all of the sudden, those two courses merged all at once, which means that the compass has finally stopped spinning.
So, Ted's comment about the blocking immediately after she says it doesn't work is really interesting. It's almost as though in that scene, Elizabeth and Jack have switched roles. Jack finally knows what it is that he wants, but Elizabeth is more and more confused. Does she want to find the chest of Davy Jones to save Will, or does she want to explore her deepening interest in Captain Jack?
Or maybe the compass knows that Will is near by and though it's not pointing to him directly, it's wavering because she's torn between the two of them.
thats not what the compass was doing for Jack though in the ovie it was pointing at Liz then the furthest away from Liz...vise versa not settling
then we see it settle on her..and I'm wondering if Jack realises this.
I thought the blocking was supposed to be something hiding her view 😂
well at least I proved Will was well away from Liz when the compass pointed at Jack on the sand dune.
Well....Not exactly
It wasn't so much that he fell in love with her then and there. Jack's part in the scene was added to show that the compass wasn't broken. Like the writers have said, the compass shows his state of mind. At the beginning of the movie, the compass was wavering because he wanted to be as close and as far away from Elizabeth as possible. He's not conflicted anymore about what it is that he wants most, hence the compass unwaveringly points to Elizabeth and the chest.
On the reverse of that, it's interesting that while on board the Pearl while Jack is present, the compass never wavers or spins when it's in Elizabeth's hands. It points to him directly. But while they are on land, she seems to be more conflicted about what it is that she wants most. Is this symbolic of perhaps that maybe she doesn't necessarily want to find a way to save Will? Probably not, but it's a possibility.
I think again, the compass shows in this instance her state of mind. She's conflicted as to what she wants most. Like Jack at the beginning of the movie; she wants to be as far away and as close to what she wants most as possible.
Also, according to Jungian psychology, Water is symbolic of the unconcious. So, it's interesting to notice that while she is on the water with Jack, the compass never wavers from him. In other words he's her unconscious want.
But when she is on land, she starts to become morally conflicted.
Well I didnt say he fell in love at the beach scene or the curiosity scene. His heart might've skipped a little in the curiosity scene, but didnt fell in love.
I believe he had feelings for her but was still unsure. I think he came to notice when he looked at his compass while he was trying to escape from the kraken. The compass surely pointed to Liz.
good point, savvysparrow. its true that things always seem a bit clearer to all characters on the water vs. on land.
i think its clear that liz prefers being on a ship. she seems most comfortable and settled when she is sailing. whats the very first shot we ever get of her? on a ship, singing a pirates life for me.
the land represents the restrictions of society, for the most part. on land, Liz is going to be thinking "what would people say" and "i have to live up to my social class" and all that jazz, but in the middle of the ocean on a ship, there isnt any reason why she shouldnt pursue captain jack.
movie 2 is just showing every character in inner turmoil. you cant point to any character and say "they know what they want" or "they are steadily pursuing 1 thing for the whole film". we wont get any of that until 3.
Chiki Mina wrote:
If the camera was supposedly blocking then why did liz looked at jacks direction? Will was a few feet away where jack was standing. Why didnt she looked on that exact location where Will came from. There is no way that the compass was pointing to Will. I personally think that it pointed to the chest at first bc she was truely inspired by jacks story about the chest and to have Will safe. It no moment did the compass pointed to Will.
Ted still said what he did, and he said that if you pay attention, you will notice something Elizabeth doesn't. And no, I don't think it's that she is madly in love with a pirate. There is something else.
Also, during the scene where Elizabeth is looking for the chest, she turns in the direction that Will is coming from . She's conflicted between finding the chest, finding Will, and her attraction to Jack.
This whole thing about liz wanting Will through Jack is just bogus. These 2 men are so different from eachother. How can she want will through Jack?! In no scene theres Liz saying that I want Will and I to be married. She only wants the wedding night which jack can in fact perfor and we never see her once straight to wills face saying I love you. She loves Will but is not in love with him. Her hearts desire is to have Will safe not to want him. In the you smell funny she says to save will Her hearts intetions for will is to have him safe so then she could have the waffle all to herself
That's an amusing way of looking at it. Especially since the compass didn't point at Jack in that scene. Elizabeth's goal in the whole movie is to save Will. You think this is just because she has strong feelings of friendship for him? She was ready to be married Will, until Beckett ruined it.
I don't think she went from loving Will to suddenly being in love with Jack, and I don't think Jack is in love with her either. I think he's attracted, but he loves the sea too much. I honestly can't see Jack wanting to get married, but if TnT pull it off I'll be impressed.