The compass

LovelyOne said:

Surreal44. Hunny bunch..I'm really sorry people thought you were the reason I left last night..It wasn't you lol. I was just stressed. I was only gonna leave for like a day or so cuz I just needed some time to think.

Well I appreciate you saying that. 😄 I didn't want you to leave, so I'm glad that you are back. Now, all fluffiness aside...

What Elizabeth did at the end of DMC shows us more about her feelings for Jack rather than Will. If she knew as a certainty that she loved Will and he was the only man for her and Jack was nothing to her..then she would have never felt the need to personally make sure a man was removed from her life "for good" Why did she make such an overly dramatic statment? People only make statmentslike that when they are trying to prove to themselves that they dont need something in their lives.. That was not an act of certainty..that was an act of pure fear and desperation.

When did Elizabeth say that she removed Jack from her life for good? I don't remember that line, but I may have missed it. Thanks!!! Obviously, I can't respond to this since I can't recall that line, so if you'd be kind enough to give me the quote, I'll ponder and see what I can come up with. 😉

As for Will and his father, and the lack of discussion about that issue, Elizabeth and Will haven't exactly had a lot of time to discuss that in between all the sword fighting, running and attempting to get away from the Kraken.

I've mentioned before what I think about Elizabeth's expression, but Jack's is not one of love...he looks fully, completely, and utterly pleased. Elizabeth did what he knew she would...she tasted what it was like to be selfish. That's why he calls her a pirate. He does care for her...I would even dare say, that he loves her...but I do not think that he is IN love with her.

For one thing, Johnny Depp says that the proposal was a moment of weakness. Just a moment...that's really all it was to Jack. I do not think that he NEEDS Elizabeth, but that he WANTS her.

I think that Will NEEDS Elizabeth, and that if anything happened to her, he would follow wherever she went, whether it's in life...or death.

Dude, that's a little obessive.

Will isn't the kind of guy that would actually talk to any one even if they look like they're about to have an emotional breakdown. You could say that he understands that she needs her space and crap, but you don't see the thing about him. He doesn' talk to her about the kiss, he doesn't voice his anger or even tell her that he saw them. So now HE'S KEEPING SECRETS AND NOT EVEN LETTING ELIZABETH EXPLAIN HERSELF.

I think Jack is IN LOVE with Elizabeth. Don't you see the way he looks at her and the way he acts around her, he's like a junior kindergardiner that's pulling his crush's pigtail, cept this isn't just a crush.

When Elizabeth ran to Will and kissed him on that island with Davey's chest, did you even TRY TO LOOK AT THE EXPRESSION OF PURE HATRED AND JELIOUSY TOWARDS WILL, or did you cover you eyes and plug your ears incase your poor EW scene shatters into a million pieces?

Honestly, and Johnny Depp says he likes the moment of weakness of 'Ah Well' with Jack when ELIZABETH SAID SHE WAS READY TO GET MARRIED. HE WASN'T SAYING THAT JACK WAS PROPOSING OUT OF WEAKNESS, and even then, if he DID propose out of weakness, then it would be out of weakness for Elizbeth. Meaning that she made him weak 'in the knees' or just softened him up, maybe bringing out his soft side.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM?!!

THINK ABOUT IT!

AND ON THE ISLAND WHEN WILL SAID HE REUNITED WITH HIS FATHER, ELIZABETH TURNED STRAIGHT TO JACK AND QUESTIONED HIM ABOUT LIEING TO HER. SHE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT STUPID WILL'S FATHER OR WILL, SHE JUST WANTED A REASON TO GET THE SUBJECT BACK TO JACK, OR SHE CARED MORE ABOUT JACK LIEING TO HER THAN ABOUT WILL.

Why do EW's delude themselves....?

I'll never know...

Originally posted by PirateDiva
OMG....Seriously!!! DMC was all about the COMPASS and JACK AND LIZ OF COURSE!!!!!! So the compass cant be over analyzed...it's practically the whole point of the MOVIE!!!

i have to say i agree w/ PirateDiva, mates

that is true,
elizabeth only cares about jack lying to her. why should this be a big deal to her if she wasn't in love with him? find she can have a 5 second 'wtf'-but instead she makes it this dramatic thing by walking over to jack mad and what not but then she should happy for will and his father-that just went over her head.

and i think johnny even realizes the deep connection between liz and jack, he's saying that he loves jack at his weakness-who's the only person that you're weak infront of? the person you love-and is he weak infront of anyone else in the movie? nope

and what about norrington? he says that there was a time where he'd do anything for her to look like that when she's thinking about him. if she was just lusting jack then he wouldn't have said that because norrington wanted her to love him not lust him

i can actually see E/W ending up together, but only if something major changes jack, or will for that matter, seeing as elizabeth really is a pirate at heart, and needs adventure, not to be stuck in port royal as a blacksmiths wife. she needs to have the freedom only jack can give her at the moment, in time, maybe Will will be able to give her that freedom too, but a blacksmiths life isnt the one she wants. if u look at the opening scene of the first movie thats what she wants.

just to make the post above clear, i am a J/E shipper, im just stating how i see where the E/W shippers have a point🙂

Originally posted by -savvychick-
i can actually see E/W ending up together, but only if something major changes jack, or will for that matter, seeing as elizabeth really is a pirate at heart, and needs adventure, not to be stuck in port royal as a blacksmiths wife. she needs to have the freedom only jack can give her at the moment, in time, maybe Will will be able to give her that freedom too, but a blacksmiths life isnt the one she wants. if u look at the opening scene of the first movie thats what she wants.

i agree with this, i can see EW being together, i'm not narrow minded-but i think that its not what elizabeth wants. she needs freedom. i think that ONLY jack could give this to her. i guess will could(though i can't picture it) but jack is the real pirate-the thing she's always wanted and loved

if there wasn't a 3rd movie then i could see will and liz ending up together. but since there isn't-i can't see it happening. otherwise everyone would end up where they started and there would have been no point of the trilogy.

Every one has a point, I know that there is a huge chance of EW hooking up, but then again, if that's the ending they're going to force feed me...I'll just walk out of the theatre and rip up all my Elizabeth posters. ELIZABETH IS NOT A WOMAN THAT COULD BE BARTERED ABOUT AND HANDLED BY SO MANY MEN IN HER LIFE. WILL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE HER EVERYTHING SHE WANTS FACE IT! HE CAN NOT BE A PIRATE NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES HE TRIES, HE JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT NATURE.

JACK IS A REAL PIRATE, HE COULD GIVE LIZZIE WHAT SHE WANTS.

Look at how he treats her comapare to Will. He calls her Lizzie from a very early stage and she lets him, while Will was having trouble calling her ELIZABETH WHEN SHE ASKED HIM TO CALL HER THAT. Jack likes to tease her and make her feel alive, he encourages her love for the sea apposed to Will who lockes her up and makes her wear tight corsets and wants her to bare his children and cook for him..

Jack and Elizabeth have a deep bond, Will can't ever have that with her because she and he have different out looks on life and everything about it. Will doesn't give a damn if she wanted to be free and sail the seas, cause did he ever TALK TO HER ABOUT IT, NO. HE NEVER ONCE TALKED TO HER ABOUT THE SEA AND WHAT SHE WANTED.

Jack does that every second!

EW fans just don't have much to cling to in DMC, or CotBP for that matter. There's just no connection between EW.

there really isn't...let's see they try to kiss below deck in the first one....but then he gets all mad when she's trying to open up to her
then theres that time where they were in the cave, but then he ruins it by saying you should get back to your fiance or whatever
he's an idiot
other sexual times between them...hmm...no
i mean they kissed one time in both movies....wow

oh and i forgot about when they were in jail-so one scene...

Originally posted by *jcd*gmc*
i have to say i agree w/ PirateDiva, mates

Why Thank You my Friend!!! 😄

LOL, he could've given her a kiss. But he had to rip away, when he knew she could've died. Could've been hung, and then he'd never get to kiss her again. And she would've died not knowing TRUE love, Will, a person that would leave without a touch a kiss, a person that can't talk or connect to you, was NOT Elizabeth's TRUE love.

And he'd probably just tell her to wait till their wedding day for...you know...And then she'd in that jail, not knowing the happiness of /being/ with your love. Well, if Jack were there he'd tell Governor Swann and those gaurds to go for an hour or two... if you know what I mean.

No connection with EW, just none whatsoever.

lol, yeah and i dont think jack would have left her there, he would have busted her out and taken her with him-
but if he HAD to leave her there he'd be like, alright this might be our last time seeing eachother-so lets....you know.....

LOL, yeah. It's kinda sad that her FATHER had to burst her out and be the " PIRATE " instead of her FIANCE Will, who SUPPOSEDLY HAS PIRATE BLOOD. If an old man that never broke a law in his life sprung his daughter from jail, why couldn't a unuich with pirate blood do the same?

Because no matter how much pirate blood he has running through his viens, he will always be a whelp that desperatly tries to find something worthwhile in his life to shine and put in a closet.

And even Keira likes Jack more than Will, she doesn't say it straight out, but you could tell. She drops hints on how she was excited that Elizabeth got to have Jack as a love interest, LOVE INTEREST!

Yikes, bye bye Will.

Okay, I can easily see a W/E ending even though I don't want to. I'm not getting my hopes up, but I can see it happening.

I just want to counter the deal about Liz's expression when she kisses Jack. Her first expression once the kiss is over is that her teeth are gritted and her eyes are caged on him. It shifts to worried and anxious as she starts making excuses, then there is a very longing look. I don't think she is completely in love with him....YET. I think the whole thing about keeping him away from her by chaining him is only partially true and that she did do it mainly to save the others. It's just immoral, or pirate-like, to screw someone over in order to do that. So I'm not going to argue Liz is in love with Jack because she's not yet even though she's falling.

Jack's expression: Okay, he's about to die. Anyone would be panicking, screaming for help, trying to get loose. What does Jack do? He grins and leans in for another kiss. Other than being madly in love, I don't know what would stop a person that was about to die from saving themselves.

Surreal we appreciate your efforst in theories and all...but arent you forgetting Will is going to die?? HOw is liz gonna end up with Will?? By air? The story will be meaningless if jack goes with hookers and Liz stays as a virgin for the rest of her life. Might as well be a nun then.

I can see EW too. Willofthewisp..and I wouldn't like it..even if I wasn't a shipper I wouldn't like it. The second I came out of DMC (before I was a shipper) was basically: "Disney are doing the smart thing to make money Jack and Elizabeth is far more interesting to watch, they have more chemistry"

and it worked^^

yeah willofthewisp..

the facial expressions on both of the characters are so odd. you would think Jack would be the angry and desperate one..Liz would be feeling all superior..but no..its totally the other way around

Jack feels superior and Liz feels weak, angry and desperate as if she is losing the battle of trying to keep him out of her thoughts and desires.

liz thought she won him over but it all back fired. It turned out jack winning liz heart.

won him over? you mean as in love^^?
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If you think of DMC/AWE as like one movie/story (which it really is) and then think about how romances work in 1 movie/story

that 1 movie/story has been split in two..its kinda at the "disruption" moment in the budding relationship of Jack/Liz....not Will/Liz since they wernt even together in most of the movie/first half of the story

Its like: development of feelings, a moment when they are at bliss with one another and then there's the disruption where you are thinking "I hope things work out for them later"

Say the love story of Liz/Will in movie 1 was split in two. the end of part one would be the moment where there is a disruption between them I bet you...like the moment Will realised Liz was hiding the truth about the medallion from him