Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by masterbruce
It seems like the spidey supporters here are assuming their team will land all of their hits (ie, Venom will be able to web and tendril everyone at will, GG will hit his targets with pumpkins and no one will jump out of the way, Doc Oc's tentacles will grab everyone before they have a chance to strike back)

what if you assume wolvie's team lands their hits (OR strangles Doc Oc with his faster tentacles (which are part of him and not mechanical add-ons), Lady Deathstrike lopping off lizards head with one swipe, Cyber poisoning Rhino in the face, Sabretooth holding his own against Venom, and Silver Samurai cutting GG into sushi)

if either of these 2 scenarios are to occur, the second one is more likely as Wolverine's enemies are far more skilled and trained fighters and are faster too.

No member of the Wolvie squad is holding his/her own against Venom. 😐

And when was it stated that OR's limbs move faster than Ock's?

And Lizard is going to stand there and take the claws to the face? 🤨

Lando005, this GG is Harry. He has whatever he usually carries.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No member of the Wolvie squad is holding his/her own against Venom. 😐

And when was it stated that OR's limbs move faster than Ock's?

And Lizard is going to stand there and take the claws to the face? 🤨

Of course lizard is not going to stand there and take it in his face. But alot of the spidey team supporters make it seem like the wolverine team villains are just going to stand there and take all the attacks from the spidey team like standing dummies.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No member of the Wolvie squad is holding his/her own against Venom. 😐

And when was it stated that OR's limbs move faster than Ock's?

And Lizard is going to stand there and take the claws to the face? 🤨

I guess I must be unfamiliar with any recent upgrades Venom must've received to propel him into supertier category. Since Omega Red has defeated Iron man and Cable, I figured he might have been able to fight venom, but I guess venom is more powerful than iron man or cable nowadays.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Lando005, this GG is Harry. He has whatever he usually carries.

Ok... I could see Norman being in Spidey's top 5 viallains (though not for power, obviously) but Harry wouldn't make the top 20

Originally posted by masterbruce
Of course lizard is not going to stand there and take it in his face. But alot of the spidey team supporters make it seem like the wolverine team villains are just going to stand there and take all the attacks from the spidey team like standing dummies.

It's not so much that we believe that Wolvie Squad will stand there.

It's that Spidey Squad's speed >>>>> Wolvie squad speed (basically). They will be able to attack much quicker and faster than the Wolvie team, and then also be able to evade their attacks easier with their superhuman speeds and reflexes. THAT'S why we're arguing like this. In terms of speed, some of these matches might as well be Spider-Man vs. a wheelchair-bound child.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I guess I must be unfamiliar with any recent upgrades Venom must've received to propel him into supertier category. Since Omega Red has defeated Iron man and Cable, I figured he might have been able to fight venom, but I guess venom is more powerful than iron man or cable nowadays.

When did Red ever beat Iron Man?... cos I've got a comic where Iron Man knocks him out

when I chose top 5, it was a combination of their power and their appearances and popularity/importance in comics. I always thought Harry Green Goblin was one of the most significant characters in spiderman chronicles.

I didnt choose top 5 most powerful villains.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
If he does have adamatium arms he still goes down but it will just be much harder to take him down. Every man on wolverine team can take a couple of licks from doc ock (except silver samarai) and is agile enough to get in there to get the finishing blow, which would only take one slice.

Originally posted by lando005
i doubt that very much no one ther is faster or more agile than spidy and spidy has an extreamly hard time getting in on ock even with his spidersense they will get caught befre they can get in more often than not

but spidey only has fists, so he HAS to hit Doc Oc in the face. These guys have claws and swords (thus more range), so they can deflect the arms much easier.

Originally posted by Scoobless
When did Red ever beat Iron Man?... cos I've got a comic where Iron Man knocks him out

"Omega Red is also an excellent hand-to-hand combatant and military tactician, having defeated foes such as Iron Man and Cable. He was trained in various forms of armed and unarmed combat by both the Soviet government and various organizations throughout the Japanese underworld."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's not so much that we believe that Wolvie Squad will stand there.

It's that Spidey Squad's speed >>>>> Wolvie squad speed (basically). They will be able to attack much quicker and faster than the Wolvie team, and then also be able to evade their attacks easier with their superhuman speeds and reflexes. THAT'S why we're arguing like this. In terms of speed, some of these matches might as well be Spider-Man vs. a wheelchair-bound child.

The only person on spiderman squad that has great speed is the lizard. Wolverine run circle around venom everytime they fight. Lizard isnt a huge threat to the wolverine team, he would be nothing but a nuicance because he dont have a way of beating anyone on wolverine team. I think wolverine squad is faster. Lets get on spiderman speed. If hes so fast why do he get tagged by someone weaker than any of wolverine squad, kraven. I have seen elektra subdue him, I have seen slow hulk grab him by the head and sufficate him, I have seen black cat sub due him, I have witness sabertooth holding him by the neck and just throw him to the side during the spiderman punisher team up. I have witness wolverine stab him. I have witness daredevil slap him around. I have witness slow rhino punch him. His speed isnt that impressive because I could have sworn he just got beaten to death by that dude that sucks up spider pheromone.

this is omega red power listing

Other distinguishing features: Omega Red has chalk-white skin. Implanted within his arms are long coils made of carbonadium, an alloy that resembles adamantium but is more malleable and considerably less resistant to damage. Omega Red can cause the coils to shoot forward from openings in the undersides of his wrists in order to ensnare his victims. He can also use the coils as a conduit for his lethal pheromones.

Strength level: Superhuman Class 10

Fighting skills: Excellent hand-to-hand combatant, with extensive training in unarmed combat by the KGB

Known superhuman powers: Omega Red has the ability to secrete pheromones from his body that will kill people in his immediate vicinity. He can also drain the life forces from these victims in order to sustain his own.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Lando005, this GG is Harry. He has whatever he usually carries.

first off harry is not in the top 5

harry wasnt that good so he'll go down pretty fast but again what's in his bag? does he have the normal pumpkin bombs and razor bats? or is he also packing fire bombs gas bombs and a goblin suprise? also there's the sparklers.. if you want i can come up with a list of things harry could use in this fight

also what about doc ock and his arms

Originally posted by jmcnasty
The only person on spiderman squad that has great speed is the lizard. Wolverine run circle around venom everytime they fight. Lizard isnt a huge threat to the wolverine team, he would be nothing but a nuicance because he dont have a way of beating anyone on wolverine team. I think wolverine squad is faster. Lets get on spiderman speed. If hes so fast why do he get tagged by someone weaker than any of wolverine squad, kraven. I have seen elektra subdue him, I have seen slow hulk grab him by the head and sufficate him, I have seen black cat sub due him, I have witness sabertooth holding him by the neck and just throw him to the side during the spiderman punisher team up. I have witness wolverine stab him. I have witness daredevil slap him around. I have witness slow rhino punch him. His speed isnt that impressive because I could have sworn he just got beaten to death by that dude that sucks up spider pheromone.

don't you know? It's ALL PIS, ALL OF IT! Spiderman is a speedgod who couldn't get hit by 98% of his enemies if he didn't want them to. He only gets hit because Spidey likes pain, it makes his head clear up, so THAT is WHY he gets hit EVER.

Can't believe anyone would not know this. Only quicksilver could really hit spiderman in marvel.

Originally posted by masterbruce
don't you know? It's ALL PIS, ALL OF IT! Spiderman is a speedgod who couldn't get hit by 98% of his enemies if he didn't want them to. He only gets hit because Spidey likes pain, it makes his head clear up, so THAT is WHY he gets hit EVER.

Can't believe anyone would not know this. Only quicksilver could really hit spiderman in marvel.

Current QS doesn't have superspeed. 😐

Originally posted by lando005
ok see that totally changes the outcome of this fight

first off harry is not in the top 5

harry wasnt that good so he'll go down pretty fast but again what's in his bag? does he have the normal pumpkin bombs and razor bats? or is he also packing fire bombs gas bombs and a goblin suprise? also there's the sparklers.. if you want i can come up with a list of things harry could use in this fight

also what about doc ock and his arms

sure, you're welcome to create a list of what GG would carry. Just make sure it's part of his regular arsenal and not something he used once in a blue moon.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Current QS doesn't have superspeed. 😐

OKAY GREAT! Nobody in MARVEL can land a hit on Spiderman unless he wanted to be hit, and apparently from the comics, Spiderman enjoys pain quite a bit 😆

Venom is just as fast as Spiderman.
Lizard is fast, upto 45mph.
GG will have his glider.
Doc Ock will use his Tentacles to move.
Rhino can run upto 100mph, but is hard to stop or handle sharp turns, he just doesn't run as fast so he can turn and such.

More or less good speeds

Originally posted by jmcnasty
The only person on spiderman squad that has great speed is the lizard. Wolverine run circle around venom everytime they fight. Lizard isnt a huge threat to the wolverine team, he would be nothing but a nuicance because he dont have a way of beating anyone on wolverine team. I think wolverine squad is faster. Lets get on spiderman speed. If hes so fast why do he get tagged by someone weaker than any of wolverine squad, kraven. I have seen elektra subdue him, I have seen slow hulk grab him by the head and sufficate him, I have seen black cat sub due him, I have witness sabertooth holding him by the neck and just throw him to the side during the spiderman punisher team up. I have witness wolverine stab him. I have witness daredevil slap him around. I have witness slow rhino punch him. His speed isnt that impressive because I could have sworn he just got beaten to death by that dude that sucks up spider pheromone.