What is that, where the director shows J/E pics that correspond with romance? Does anyone have that so we can see it?
Surreal, I know you're tired of arguing this point, but you have to indulge us. Everything ends up coming back to Jack no matter what we talk about and a big part of what we want for Jack is for him to fall in love and get the girl of his dreams. It's just that a lot of us think that's Liz.
To me, it's not that Will is overly protective of Liz. It's actually the opposite. Liz is very protective of Will, but that's not what seems to drive them apart. It's just odd they have so few scenes together and there is always a hint that when they are together, at least one of them is preoccupied about something else. That's just what I get when I see them, like they're not really interested in what happened to each other, just the present.
Its on the bonus disk.....oh crap I watched it last night now I forget what its called..I think its in the diarys section..and yeah its Jerry. As soon as he says romance it shows Jack/Liz and he says action it shows Jack swinging , he says humour, its Jack laughing 😂
ALso Liz HAS crossed that first threshold to adventure in the closing scenes of DMC which is Jack Sparrow and now there is NO turning back 🙂..cuz in the script I read parts of, straight away she's at step 6.."tests, allies and enemies" when we first meet her...this is when she's in search of Jack.
yes, surreal44 can counteract all she wants....but we always go back to Jack and Liz...cuz no matter what...I just don't see the undying love of Will and Elizabeth...I feel no passion when I watch them, no excitement....it's all there between Jack and Liz....and, yes, surreal44 in the movies of love, romance, adventure, mystery, danger..it is very conceivable that someone would murder someone they were threatened by....Will's love is more comfortable and secure...she is scared of what Jack has to offer (even though she has secretly craved it all of her life)...yes, she sacrifices Jack for Will...she has promised to look over Will, she has promised to marry Will, but that doesn't mean she is not threatened by Jack, so she removes that temptation "this is the only way, don't you see, I'm not sorry".....and she knows Jack is doomed to be eaten by the Kracken...whether he goes with them or stays behind...he'll forever be on the run until his debt is paid....the torment and the facials in that kiss seen tell me this...that this is a passionate decision...a decision of torture and selfish impulse....oh, well, I know what I think I see in that scene and so does many other..and Surreal44 will never see it...so it's pointless to keep hashing it out....
Jack and Liz forever....despite whatever happens in AWE...I will always believe that they are the one true couple in this trilogy...
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
yes, surreal44 can counteract all she wants....but we always go back to Jack and Liz...cuz no matter what...I just don't see the undying love of Will and Elizabeth...I feel no passion when I watch them, no excitement....it's all there between Jack and Liz....and, yes, surreal44 in the movies of love, romance, adventure, mystery, danger..it is very conceivable that someone would murder someone they were threatened by....Will's love is more comfortable and secure...she is scared of what Jack has to offer (even though she has secretly craved it all of her life)...yes, she sacrifices Jack for Will...she has promised to look over Will, she has promised to marry Will, but that doesn't mean she is not threatened by Jack, so she removes that temptation "this is the only way, don't you see, I'm not sorry".....and she knows Jack is doomed to be eaten by the Kracken...whether he goes with them or stays behind...he'll forever be on the run until his debt is paid....the torment and the facials in that kiss seen tell me this...that this is a passionate decision...a decision of torture and selfish impulse....oh, well, I know what I think I see in that scene and so does many other..and Surreal44 will never see it...so it's pointless to keep hashing it out....Jack and Liz forever....despite whatever happens in AWE...I will always believe that they are the one true couple in this trilogy...
bravo my dear! 🙂 that was lovely.
yes lovethemtigers I agree with you..it fits in with basic story telling..the typical pattern. Her act was one of fear..Jack has just come and called her to adventure by making a HUGE statement when coming back..he wants to make a comitment to her..That is her call to adventure that she refuses..because she is AFRAID which is WHY the hero often refuses the call "fear of the unknown is one of mankinds greatest fears"
(1) ORDINARY WORLD
Something is missing in this world. Its the hero or heras present, everyday situation. It’s described in order to create a contrast. A question is raised.
(2) CALL TO ADVENTURE
New information is put into the hero or heras system, often brought by a messenger.
(Jack is the messenger, he looks like an angel sent down to protect her he wants to make a comitment to her)
(3) RELUCTANT HERO OR HERA
The hero or hera is reluctant at first. Fear of the unkown is one of mankind's greatest fears.
(4) WISE OLD PERSON (most optional of steps)
Maybe gives message to trust the path.
(5) SPECIAL WORLD
Hero or hera gets very committed by his/her will – or not.
(AKA, the mentor/supernatural helper)
these steps dont even match up with what Liz does in DMC if you put it over her story to find Will...cuz she finds him long before she even meets Tia..long before her refusal to adventure..long before she becomes fully commited to the quest.
the hero very rarley sets off in search of exactly wht they want in life.
He was supposed to have a godlike quality to him apparently like you say, in the first movie anyway He's also tied in with the supernatural. This is why his character sort of stands back and lets the W/E thing happen around him.
but in movie 2/3(one story) he's no longer the mentor Tia is. Its a clear shift of character..we dont see him trying to big up his godlike image anymore..did you see him do that once in DMC? I never saw him really try hard to make up stories about himself etc and try to make himself look big..IMO this is because he had met Liz the year previously and th beach scene..that side of him is changing...his character has moved on..some people see it, some people dont..🙂
Originally posted by tee_pirategirl
I'm really happy Tia's in the story though...she's the person I was missing in COTBP. you know the know it all..the one u feel safe around..the on ethat'll know what u need to do I always thought COTBP needed someone like that
there are more..Jack and Will are both follwin them too 😄
Its funny because they are usually seperated into 3 acts. Since Jack is the main character/hero and or anti hero, he's ended correctly. Step 9 is the last of act 2 but Liz and Will are behind still...not very far though. well Liz is..Will is already on step 7.
Movie 1 actually had these steps and ended properly on step 12 though...
GUYS!
from Terry on wordplayer:
4. Jack was never enamored of his ship; he was and is enamored of what his ship represents: freedom. And, of course, as it turned out the very thing he wanted so much he was willing to make a deal with the devil to get, has come to represent either a hundred years of servitude (and eventual loss of identity) or death.Why, it's almost as if Jack claimed the thing he wanted most in the world at the eventual cost of his own freedom. Hm ... I wonder if that idea might be relevant to some other part of the movie? Reflected, refracted and explored throughout the movie, even? Demonstrated in action and dialogue, or even overtly referenced at points?
Jack has sold his soul to the devil for Elizabeth. The one thing he wants most..he has claimed her now, "she is his" IMO
Also...I think he might be an inkling on the fiddlers green thing here(sailors heaven)..and this even ties in with the Oddysey and Odysseus
For Odysseus to find happiness and be even with Poseidon, he must take a wooden oar walk with it over his shoulder inland. Then he must make a sacrifice and he will find happiness.
Do we not see Jack do these things?^^
Elizabeth now resembles freedom to Jack??
Also Dying at sea means Jack goes to davy J's locker..where as if he dies inland somewhere in the fututre he will go to "Fiddlers Green" which is a pirates heaven.
so if he stays with Liz on land and remains there and dies an old man..he'll die and be happy..if he remains a lone pirate on the sea and dies at sea..he'll go to crappy Davy J's locker
Number One: What do we see at the begining of DMC? We see Lizzie in a CORSET!!! Do you even TRY to remember Elizabeth's very IMPORTANT lines in CotBP?! When she'll fighting with a skeloton pirate she says " You like pain? Trying wearing a corset."
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT LINE DOING THERE IF IT'S NOT MEANING ANYTHING, IT MEANS THAT HER LIFE IS PAINFUL AND THAT THE CORSETS REPRESENT HER OLD LIFE!!!!
She could've said ANYTHING but she had to say corset.
And then we see her on her wedding day wearing a tight, PAINFUL corset, this means she's gone back to her old life that caused her pain. Her corset represents her cage, and countless times Jack springs her out of them. Yet every time Will comes into the picture she's back in her old painful corset.
HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!
Secondly: I don't think Will telling Elizabeth to gaurd the chest is an act of trust and love. WTF IS THAT? Are you okay?
Honey, he's 'the man' so he was going to fight to big back pirate and come back with the key. HE KISSED ELIZABETH FOR ONE SECOND AND THEN FORGOT ABOUT HER, HE HAS HIS FATHER TO TAKE CARE OF RIGHT? HE DIDN'T ASK HER IF SHE WAS OKAY, OR HOW SHE MADE IT THERE, WOULDN'T THAT BE THE FIRST THING YOU ASK WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE YOU LAST LEFT IN A JAIL CELL?!!!!!!!
Hun, he told her to gaurd the chest and we clearly heard from Lizzie that he had taught her how to use a sword, not sexually. She's knows how to weld a weapon and Will was the one who taught her, so why didn't he ask her to help him?
Cause he thinks she's a porcline doll that can't do anything cept look after a chest.
Wow. That's real love.
Sarcasm. If you didn't know.
So sweety, if you're thinking about working for the FBI, think again.
If you can't tell real passion and love from the fake, dumb love FROM A MOVIE then there's no way you could think about anilizing for your career.
Sorry if I hurt you, but I tried not to swear and I think I succeded. All I have to say now is JACK AND LIZZIE FOREVER!!!
(Notice how I didn't talk about Jack this WHOLE TIME, only one metion of his name, see I could trash Will without anyone beside him!)
Very well said Swannnsparrow. 💃
Who is thinking of working for the FBI?
Whoever it is, has to have at least 5 yrs of experience in some Law enforcement agency, have a bachelor degree, not in criminal justice. But I recommend Science, computer or foreign language. So whoever it is has to start from the bottom, being a police officer is a good start. This is just some advice to whoever it is, and being in law enforcement myself, I have learn of all the requisites and what it takes to be an F.B.I agent.
HAHA, thanks. I meant it as a joke, like the FBI is filled with detectives and you know, all that jazz. They trace fingerprints and do background searches and if Surreal__44 wants to be one {IF} then she'll have to reconsider. Cause if she can't see the J/L chemistry and the breaking of EW then honey, there's no way they're going to let her solve murders.
HAHA.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
GUYS!from Terry on wordplayer:
Jack has sold his soul to the devil for Elizabeth. The one thing he wants most..he has claimed her now, "she is his" IMO
Also...I think he might be an inkling on the fiddlers green thing here(sailors heaven)..and this even ties in with the Oddysey and Odysseus
For Odysseus to find happiness and be even with Poseidon, he must take a wooden oar walk with it over his shoulder inland. Then he must make a sacrifice and he will find happiness.
Do we not see Jack do these things?^^
Elizabeth now resembles freedom to Jack??
Also Dying at sea means Jack goes to davy J's locker..where as if he dies inland somewhere in the fututre he will go to "Fiddlers Green" which is a pirates heaven.
so if he stays with Liz on land and remains there and dies an old man..he'll die and be happy..if he remains a lone pirate on the sea and dies at sea..he'll go to crappy Davy J's locker
That may be true, but I don't think that he's trying to say that Jack sold his soul to the devil for Elizabeth. What he's saying is that Jack was enamored with the idea of freedom, and that the Black Pearl represented that to him. So, he chose to sell his soul for Freedom. However, now Jack his choice was a poor one because he's now bound to that choice forever, and it's come to represent uncertain death.
In other words, Jack sacrificed his soul, that which made him human and decent for a false ideal. Now he realizes that in sacrificing the good man he once was, he's gave up the opportunity to really live. You could argue that he's seen the error of his past and knows now what Freedom really is. (The Black Pearl "is only a ship."😉
In this instance, the quote is referring also to Elizabeth. Ted is saying that Jack's choice to sacrifice his soul for freedom is consistent with his choice to sacrifice his life for her freedom. Though I do agree with the telling anaylsis that Jack "claimed" the thing he wanted most at the cost of his life. Claimed is an interesting word choice.