Cap is superhuman, its official!!!!!

According to this link Cap is faster and stronger and triple Cable's endurance.

http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page128sf.jpg

These are Cable's physical capabilities from Marvel.com

Cable possesses superhuman physical endurance,

Cable is literally fast enough to evade high-powered bullets in-flight (after they have been fired), and even has the ability to visually track rounds after they’ve been fired (though they are not easy to see, except through his cybernetic eye). This great speed is also visible in superhuman levels of dexterity and agility, including manual and pedal dexterity. Spotting the speedster Super-Saber running at superhuman speed, Cable was actually able to physically attack and stop him. Super-Saber, himself, was fast enough to create “sonic booms” by snapping his fingers, and also had superhumanly high reaction time. However, in spite of his obviously great speed, he is still not as fast as other

This is what I mean Marvel need to clearly define what peak human is. It seems peak human can mean superhuman as well.

Cable in wiki

His techno-organic bodyparts possessed minor superhuman strength and durability.

This is actually not inconsistent with Cap's capabilities since many people consider Cap to have low level superhuman strength.

Wow. I guess he has improved abilities over Batman then.

Nice findings I guess.

What comic is that from ?

Im not sure, I was looking through the cap capability thread on herochat. Im seriously thinking of compiling as much info on Cap and making a bio for him.

Sounds good. If you do it I will look forward to it.

It's from Cable & Deadpool (#25 I think)

But at that point Cable had lost all his mutant powers

Is this about Cap or Cable??

And a hero complimenting another hardly makes it truth. Hell, Superman has said that basically the entire JLA could beat him at one point or another, and we all know how true that is. 🙄

Cap has enhanced reflexes, his body doesn't produce toxins so his stamina is incredible, some sick fighting skills, and can lift about half a ton, give or take.

Originally posted by Alfheim
According to this link Cap is faster and stronger and triple Cable's endurance.

http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page128sf.jpg

These are Cable's physical capabilities from Marvel.com

Cable possesses superhuman physical endurance,

Cable is literally fast enough to evade high-powered bullets in-flight (after they have been fired), and even has the ability to visually track rounds after they’ve been fired (though they are not easy to see, except through his cybernetic eye). This great speed is also visible in superhuman levels of dexterity and agility, including manual and pedal dexterity. Spotting the speedster Super-Saber running at superhuman speed, Cable was actually able to physically attack and stop him. Super-Saber, himself, was fast enough to create “sonic booms” by snapping his fingers, and also had superhumanly high reaction time. However, in spite of his obviously great speed, he is still not as fast as other

This is what I mean Marvel need to clearly define what peak human is. It seems peak human can mean superhuman as well.

Cable in wiki

His techno-organic bodyparts possessed minor superhuman strength and durability.

This is actually not inconsistent with Cap's capabilities since many people consider Cap to have low level superhuman strength.

the same is said for wolverine , however i doubt cap will be able to lift well over 800lbs with his strength

Hey they all could. Bats at least. 😛

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Is this about Cap or Cable??

And a hero complimenting another hardly makes it truth. Hell, Superman has said that basically the entire JLA could beat him at one point or another, and we all know how true that is. 🙄

Cap has enhanced reflexes, his body doesn't produce toxins so his stamina is incredible, some sick fighting skills, and can lift about half a ton, give or take.

Fair enough, but how often has Superman straight up said "You're stronger than I am?"

How many times has he told someone that wasn't ACTUALLY faster than him "You're faster than me?"

Saying "You're good," or "You could beat me," is very different from straight up saying "You're stronger/faster/smarter/whatever-er than I am."

Or maybe because Cable is two years older than him and not in his prime? Whereas Cap is constantly at the peak of human ability? 😕

Oh, and where was this posted in the capability thread?

http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779&start=90

I don't see it.

Originally posted by Soljer
Fair enough, but how often has Superman straight up said "You're stronger than I am?"

How many times has he told someone that wasn't ACTUALLY faster than him "You're faster than me?"

Saying "You're good," or "You could beat me," is very different from straight up saying "You're stronger/faster/smarter/whatever-er than I am."

Fair enough, but Cable's powered down right now so I really have no idea if that's even an impressive thing for him to be saying to Cap since I don't know his power level.

Purely physically speaking, Cap is superior to Cable in speed, strength (apart from the cyborg parts) and stamina

When Cable has TK he can use that to increase his stats in the same way other TK users do

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's from Cable & Deadpool (#25 I think)

But at that point Cable had lost all his mutant powers

His strength and durability I think come from him being a cyborg I dont know about his reflexes, that could be cybernetic too.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Is this about Cap or Cable??

And a hero complimenting another hardly makes it truth. Hell, Superman has said that basically the entire JLA could beat him at one point or another, and we all know how true that is. 🙄

Batman can beat supes. I think some people have said that Hal Jordan can beat supes and also The Flash maybe, I dont read DC though.

Furthermore heroes say that an opponent can give them trouble or that this person scares them, but Cable clearly said in black and white that he is stronger and faster and 3 times his endurance. Cable was not talking about wether Cap could beat him he was specifically and unambigously talking about Cap's stats.

For example when Spiderman fought Wolverine he said he had never fought anyone like him before. Spiderman did not say that Wolverine was faster, this situation with Cable and Cap is different.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Cap has enhanced reflexes, his body doesn't produce toxins so his stamina is incredible, some sick fighting skills, and can lift about half a ton, give or take.

That is incorrect he has been seen to lift at least 1100 lbs with ease. He can defintely lift a ton. His absolute limit is probably 2

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, and where was this posted in the capability thread?

http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779&start=90

I don't see it.

I think it was page 2 somewhere.

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's from Cable & Deadpool (#25 I think)

But at that point Cable had lost all his mutant powers

Oh yeah Cable had not lost his mutant powers later on you see him using telekinesis. When you say at that point, do you mean specfically that point or the whole fight?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Purely physically speaking, Cap is superior to Cable in speed, strength (apart from the cyborg parts) and stamina

This is also incorrect. Cable said that Cap was stronger than him. Cable was a cyborg when he said it.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Fair enough, but Cable's powered down right now so I really have no idea if that's even an impressive thing for him to be saying to Cap since I don't know his power level.

He wasn't powered down, later on you see him levitating. Sorry double post.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He wasn't powered down, later on you see him levitating. Sorry double post.

Um yes he is powered down, he has machines that allow him to mimic certain abilities at this point but it isn't like it was before.

you do realize that was cable using no powers. which means cable who was using no powers said all those thing which would be true since capt is peakhuman

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeah Cable had not lost his mutant powers later on you see him using telekinesis. When you say at that point, do you mean specfically that point or the whole fight?

No, I meant the whole comic... and every comic since then, Cable's powers are gone, he is only simulating them at the moment using a gravimetric field generator and some new tech device that allows him to mentally access the world wide info-net

This is all explained in that issue.... did you read it?

😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
That is incorrect he has been seen to lift[B] at least 1100 lbs with ease. He can defintely lift a ton. His absolute limit is probably 2 [/B]

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cap has enhanced reflexes, his body doesn't produce toxins so his stamina is incredible, some sick fighting skills, and can lift about half a ton, give or take.

Key words "give or take". I've been around long enough to know that it depends on the writer and the level of PIS that's required for the situation. So please don't call me to task about Cap being able to lift 1-2 tons. I'm well aware...

P.S. 1 Ton = 2000 lbs. Your reference to 1100 lbs immediately followed by assertion of 2 tons had me confused....you might be doing your math wrong. Half a ton = 1000 lbs.

🙄

Anyway, my whole point has been that the one scan posted shouldn't be used as an excuse to think Cap is any more powerful than we already assumed. The minutia of my point has been deconstructed, though, to the point where that's been lost.

And beyond that, saying that something is "incorrect" without leaving wiggle room denies the very essence of the varying levels of comic characters depending on the issue and feat. The handbook has Cap at about 1000lbs, so I'm not in the wrong. I realzie that a feat or two may speak otherwise, but I'm talking about norms rather than extremes.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um yes he is powered down, he has machines that allow him to mimic certain abilities at this point but it isn't like it was before.

Gracias. It's hard enough to keep track of the power levels of characters I do care about, let alone every mutie that decides it's time to retcon his/her entire history.

Cap has always been superhuman. The guy runs a mile in 60 seconds - 60 mph for a human! The fastest peak humans run miles in are about 4 minutes and the max speed a peak human can reach is 28 mph (an only for ~ a second). Cap is way beyond human!