Originally posted by SoljerHe's stated Wonder Woman is as strong as him. And she's not. Being a woman and all.
Fair enough, but how often has Superman straight up said "You're stronger than I am?"How many times has he told someone that wasn't ACTUALLY faster than him "You're faster than me?"
Saying "You're good," or "You could beat me," is very different from straight up saying "You're stronger/faster/smarter/whatever-er than I am."
Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Cap has always been superhuman. The guy runs a mile in 60 seconds - 60 mph for a human! The fastest peak humans run miles in are about 4 minutes and the max speed a peak human can reach is 28 mph (an only for ~ a second). Cap is way beyond human!
i was told he was augmented to superhuman levels at that time and or it was hyperbole by one of the marvel handbook writer's i had questioned about cap's speed
claiming the fastest sprinter can only hit 28 doesn't mean the pinnacle of human capability is 28 miles per hour. there are differences and nuances that are being overlooked.
captain america is THE peak human. it's his entire purpose. it's his mystique. his body is the physical embodiment of his mindset.
cable's also prone to decorative language. he referred to himself as the world's most powerful telepath on more than one occasion, remember. one character's thought bubbles do not constitute a retcon for another character.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Key words "give or take". I've been around long enough to know that it depends on the writer and the level of PIS that's required for the situation. So please don't call me to task about Cap being able to lift 1-2 tons. I'm well aware...
Yeah ok, could you not take it so personal.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
P.S. 1 Ton = 2000 lbs. Your reference to 1100 lbs immediately followed by assertion of 2 tons had me confused....you might be doing your math wrong. Half a ton = 1000 lbs.
Mate, you didn't read my post properly I said he was seen to benchpress at least 1100 lbs. I put at least in bold for you to see. If he can benchpress 1100lbs with ease he should be able to lift a ton and his absolute maximum could be two tons.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, my whole point has been that the one scan posted shouldn't be used as an excuse to think Cap is any more powerful than we already assumed.
Well actually its not just that scan, the bulk of his showings show that Cap could lift 2 tons
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The minutia of my point has been deconstructed, though, to the point where that's been lost.
I dont even understand what you said there, could you say this in simpler terms.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And beyond that, saying that something is "incorrect" without leaving wiggle room denies the very essence of the varying levels of comic characters depending on the issue and feat. The handbook has Cap at about 1000lbs, so I'm not in the wrong. I realzie that a feat or two may speak otherwise, but I'm talking about norms rather than extremes.
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Im sure you know that using handbooks to define a characters capabilities is not enough evidence on their own, you also need to look at their showings. As you know the old Powerman is supposezd to be able to lift 3 tons he consistently shown to be able to lift more than this, therefore the handbook is rejected. Namor is supposed to be able to lift 40 tons out of water and 85 tons in water, his showings reject this, therefore again the handbook is rejected.
I know their are extreme examples but their are loads of Cap showings that indicate that he can lift more than 1000Lbs and his maximum is 1 to 2 tons. Marvel need to sort it out. If you also look at evidence the lowest level of superhuman strength seems to be 3 tons, since Cap is peak human his strength could be anywhere outside of 3 tons.
Originally posted by Scoobless
No, I meant the whole comic... and every comic since then, Cable's powers are gone, he is only simulating them at the moment using a gravimetric field generator and some new tech device that allows him to mentally access the world wide info-net😐
Ok, but hes still a cyborg. By the way his bio says he has telekinetic powers but it doesnt say anything about him using it to increase his physical stats.
Originally posted by Scoobless
This is all explained in that issue.... did you read it?😐
No I did not. Im not going to buy a comic so I can have a debate here, for now I will stick to scans, wiki and marvel.com, and when I have time I will buy the issue.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's stated Wonder Woman is as strong as him. And she's not. Being a woman and all.
Im sorry but that sounds like you're saying Wonder Woman is weaker than Superman because shes a woman?😕 I dont read DC, but surely in a world full of superhumans being a women isn't neccesarily going to make you weaker.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Nice showings, but Cable is depowered so his stats are probably only equivilant to a regular human who engages in intensive regular exercise, in which case Cap is his superior.
How can they be when hes a cyborg? He will have at least enhanced stats.
Originally posted by marvelprince
And his watching bullets in slow mo etc is attributed to his cybernetic parts
Exactly, so according to Cable Cap can do this as well.
Originally posted by ankur29There was a time when he was moved into the super-category, having a good amount of superstrength and stuff. It was later taken away from him, and he moved back to having his old stats back.
i was told he was augmented to superhuman levels at that time and or it was hyperbole by one of the marvel handbook writer's i had questioned about cap's speed
Originally posted by Priest
Cap being "superhuman" is not his character...Him being peek human and doing the things he does, hanging with the other super people is wat makes him great.
Well yyyyyyeah I know. When I say hes "superhuman" im just getting tired of people saying he has a jobber aura. What im trying to elaborate on is what is peak human. Im trying to prove that peak human is low level superhuman.
Originally posted by AlfheimFair enough, most comic characters are far beyond human. When was the last time you saw someone take down a helicopter with a throwing knife?
Well yyyyyyeah I know. When I say hes "superhuman" im just getting tired of people saying he has a jobber aura. What im trying to elaborate on is what is peak human. Im trying to prove that peak human is low level superhuman.
the lowest levels of superhuman strength start around 1000 pounds, according to references made to both quicksilver and toad. peak human strength is approximately 800 lbs. and it's a very rare thing for weights to actually be mentioned on-panel, such as "there's captain america lifting 1100 pounds." some people, when researching respect threads, look up real-life equivalents to what they see, but that doesn't mean that that is the intended weight limit by the writer or artist.
besides ultimate cap and the aforementioned period in which cap had superhuman strength, i don't think i've ever seen him lifting decidedly superhuman amounts of weight. care to prove your case, instead of just saying it again and again?
Originally posted by Alfheim
How can they be when hes a cyborg? He will have at least enhanced stats.
His cybernetic parts don't give him that much of of a physical edge. In the past he was super strong with them but now the only thing they are is shiny. And durable
Originally posted by Alfheim
Exactly, so according to Cable Cap can do this as well.
sigh. No. Your reading too much into this. Cable says Cap is stronger, faster and triple his endurance. Of course Cap is cause Cable stats are that of a human. Cable seeing things in slow mo is cause of his tech eye, not cause of any training or level of superhuman appearances. To infer that Cap can do the same when Cable explicitly mentioned the areas where Cap is superior is wishful thinking