Originally posted by Soljer
I would assume the world record would probably be for a single repetition, though it didn't specify. And no clue on who the guy even IS, much less how much he could bench.
In that case that is still much lower than Cap. We would assume that Cap would be doing something like 10 reps with 500lbs. Obvously hes not going to pick up 500lbs and do one rep thats not how you workout.
Originally posted by Soljer
But who knows? We only see him do two reps on panel.
Yeah but thats because its a comicbook, comics dont always show all the action. We dont know for certain but the most likely conclusion is that he did something like 10 because thats what most people do and being Captain America he obvoulsy isnt going to do 2 reps because that would not be a proper workout. So we go by the most likely conclusion.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but thats because its a comicbook, comics dont always show all the action. We dont know for certain but the most likely conclusion is that he did something like 10 because thats what most people do and being Captain America he obvoulsy isnt going to do 2 reps because that would not be a proper workout. So we go by the most likely conclusion.
Reading comprehension much?
"Very true. If he is doing a maintenance work out, or even a building work out, he would likely do more than a single repetition and more than a single set. "
However, SINCE it's a comic book (no shit), we have no idea whether Cap managed six reps, or twenty four.
Ten may or may not be the most logical conclusion, but it is still just a supposition with little to no actual support.
Originally posted by Soljer
Reading comprehension much?"Very true. If he is doing a maintenance work out, or even a building work out, he would likely do more than a single repetition and more than a single set. "
However, SINCE it's a comic book (no shit), we have no idea whether Cap managed six reps, or twenty four.
Ten may or may not be the most logical conclusion, but it is still just a supposition with little to no actual support.
Good greif. Fine anything you say.
it's true he was superhuman at times. there were also times when he was fully powerless. even once when he used an exo-skeleton designed by stark. that doesn't change the fact that his normal strength and other attributes, as was part of his initial and continuing concept, were peak human. that's what the super soldier serum did.
Originally posted by Disappear
that doesn't change the fact that his normal strength and other attributes, as was part of his initial and continuing concept, were peak human. that's what the super soldier serum did.
Wrong.
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.
http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926
"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman, he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."
"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."
http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker
"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either."
Originally posted by Martian_mind
And we took a writers word as gospell when?a writer once said he saw Superman as an omnipotent bein who had no limitations.....
Ok so what you're trying to say is that what a writers says is bad piece of evidence then? Maybe that writer is an idiot but in general writers are a good piece of evidence and especially when what Brubaker says about Cap has always been true.
Can you quote what he said maybe you are taking what he said out of context. Human beings in the Mu have unlimited potential but that doesnt mean everything single human being can fly.
"He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either"
Well, uhm, yes, very true. I don't think anyone even disagrees with that. Whether Captain is as skilled as Batman or not is debatable (I personally tend to think he's better), but his far superior stamina and enhanced strength give him the edge.
Move along, nothing to see here, folks.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, uhm, yes, very true. I don't think anyone even disagrees with that. Whether Captain is as skilled as Batman or not is debatable (I personally tend to think he's better), but his far superior stamina and enhanced strength give him the edge.Move along, nothing to see here, folks.
*looks at watch* Right on time Dinalfos I was wondering when you would turn up. 😉
The point is, if he is above Batman that is superhuman because Batman is obvoulsy peak human. Obvoulsy he is not superhuman like Spiderman but hes still super.
In marvel terms enhanced seems to be the more accurate description but Caps strength level is class 1 which is a superhuman strength range.
Originally posted by Alfheim
*looks at watch* Right on time Dinalfos I was wondering when you would turn up. 😉The point is, if he is above Batman that is superhuman because Batman is obvoulsy peak human. Obvoulsy he is not superhuman like Spiderman but hes still super.
In marvel terms enhanced seems to be the more accurate description but Caps strength level is class 1 which is a superhuman strength range.
If Cap is officially classified as superhuman, it's alright with me 😉 I just hate it when they keep beating around the bush.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
If Cap is officially classified as superhuman, it's alright with me 😉 I just hate it when they keep beating around the bush.
So do I. I think the problem is that Cap is supposed to be a reprensentation of what a human being could be in perfect form, so be calling him superhuman it negates that.
I think marvel should start calling him enhanced human not peak, hell or even low level superhuman with the explanation that he is the absolute pinnacle of what a human being can be and not peak.
Originally posted by Alfheim
So do I. I think the problem is that Cap is supposed to be a reprensentation of what a human being could be in perfect form, so be calling him superhuman it negates that.I think marvel should start calling him enhanced human not peak, hell or even low level superhuman with the explanation that he is the absolute pinnacle of what a human being can be and not peak.
Well, that's how I always saw him. As a person who was physically perfected by means of scientific enhancement. It's not quite the same as low-level superhuman, though. That would be very contradictory.
Cap's powers are very much human (according to Marvel's classic portrayal), it's just that some of his (or our?) potential is out of reach. It's like having a million inherited dollars locked away in an adamantium safe of which you don't know how to open it. You ARE technically a millionaire, for sure, but you're not experiencing the benefits. So you're going to need external factors to realize your full potential as a wealthy SOB. But once you manage to open it, you're still not a billionaire.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, that's how I always saw him. As a person who was physically perfected by means of scientific enhancement. It's not quite the same as low-level superhuman, though. That would be very contradictory.
Not really when they say Cap is the pinnacle they are implying that humans are capable of superhuman feats at maximum potantial, but obvoulsy they are not as superhuman as Thor.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Cap's powers are very much human (according to Marvel's classic portrayal),
Dunno about that. Tackling down Thor, Iron Man and Giant Man. Again obvoulsy not as super as some people.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
it's just that some of his (or our?) potential is out of reach. It's like having a million inherited dollars locked away in an adamantium safe of which you don't know how to open it. You ARE technically a millionaire, for sure, but you're not experiencing the benefits. So you're going to need external factors to realize your full potential as a wealthy SOB. But once you manage to open it, you're still not a billionaire.
Well yeah.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not really when they say Cap is the pinnacle they are implying that humans are capable of superhuman feats at maximum potantial, but obvoulsy they are not as superhuman as Thor.
But if a human can do it, then it's not superhuman. It's okay to establish that humans can lift, say, 1 ton max in the MU, but then you'd also have to move the low-level superhuman category up a notch.
Dunno about that. Tackling down Thor, Iron Man and Giant Man. Again obvoulsy not as super as some people.
No, I meant how Marvel wants us to see him. I'm not talking about comic book feats.
captain america was, is, and should forever be the pinnacle of human potential. he isnt meant to be superhuman. he's what we could all be given the proper training, lifestyle and genes. brubaker saying he's the "evolutionary next step" doesn't contradict that. neither does him saying cap isn't a batman analogue.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so what you're trying to say is that what a writers says is bad piece of evidence then? Maybe that writer is an idiot but in general writers are a good piece of evidence and especially when what Brubaker says about Cap has always been true.Can you quote what he said maybe you are taking what he said out of context. Human beings in the Mu have unlimited potential but that doesnt mean everything single human being can fly.
the scary thing is that essentially is a quote....
Originally posted by Disappear
captain america was, is, and should forever be the pinnacle of human potential. he isnt meant to be superhuman. he's what we could all be given the proper training, lifestyle and genes. brubaker saying he's the "evolutionary next step" doesn't contradict that. neither does him saying cap isn't a batman analogue.
Well this is the way I see it maybe there were are misintepreting each other. Batman is clearly peak human, anything above peak human is obvoulsy superhuman but like Bru said hes not Thor.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
the scary thing is that essentially is a quote....
So.
Originally posted by AlfheimSo.
?you asked for a quote,what i said he said is basically a quote,he stated that he saw Superman wthout limits and that he can do anything.
just pointing out we shouldn't use writers statements as conclusive evidence...even good ones,as Stan lee himself has said he thinkls Hulk can beat Superman 😬