Cap is superhuman, its official!!!!!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah ok, could you not take it so personal.

Mate, you didn't read my post properly I said he was seen to benchpress at least 1100 lbs. I put at least in bold for you to see. If he can benchpress 1100lbs with ease he should be able to lift a ton and his absolute maximum could be two tons.

Well actually its not just that scan, the bulk of his showings show that Cap could lift 2 tons

I dont even understand what you said there, could you say this in simpler terms.

Im sure you know that using handbooks to define a characters capabilities is not enough evidence on their own, you also need to look at their showings. As you know the old Powerman is supposezd to be able to lift 3 tons he consistently shown to be able to lift more than this, therefore the handbook is rejected. Namor is supposed to be able to lift 40 tons out of water and 85 tons in water, his showings reject this, therefore again the handbook is rejected.

I know their are extreme examples but their are loads of Cap showings that indicate that he can lift more than 1000Lbs and his maximum is 1 to 2 tons. Marvel need to sort it out. If you also look at evidence the lowest level of superhuman strength seems to be 3 tons, since Cap is peak human his strength could be anywhere outside of 3 tons.

Ok, but hes still a cyborg. By the way his bio says he has telekinetic powers but it doesnt say anything about him using it to increase his physical stats.

No I did not. Im not going to buy a comic so I can have a debate here, for now I will stick to scans, wiki and marvel.com, and when I have time I will buy the issue.

Im sorry but that sounds like you're saying Wonder Woman is weaker than Superman because shes a woman?😕 I dont read DC, but surely in a world full of superhumans being a women isn't neccesarily going to make you weaker.

where are you getting those stats from , where does it say 1 ton , 2 ton ,3 ton

he is peak, he can lift the maximum a human body is capable of lifting and lowerlevel superhuman is from 800lbs - 2 tons

cap is not 2 tons heck he isn't even 1 ton , he can lift under a ton 1100lbs is almost half a metric ton , he cannot lift four times that much (2 tons) he may be aroung 1500lbs with maximum effort 1 ton's or 2 is great exagerartion

btw what is said in 1 comic does not mean anything , spidey says morlun hit's harder than hulk and thor .....yeah right
he says wolverine is faster or as fast him .....thast wot i thought
he said himself he is 40 times faster/agile(reflexes) than an average human but according to the handbook of 2005 he is 15 times more faster agile (greater reflexes)

Cap never really should get super strenght or super speed or whatever.
He's the most perfect Human around, and by human I mean no real super powers.
He's a guy that shows that without super powers you can still be one of the best superhero's around.

I spent ages typing out this message and its been deleted!!!!!cursing

Ok im just going to have to own you guys tomorrow

cursing cursing censored

Originally posted by Disappear
the lowest levels of superhuman strength start around 1000 pounds, according to references made to both quicksilver and toad. peak human strength is approximately 800 lbs.

Are you refering to the Marvel handbooks? If you are you cannot refer to them without backing them up with other information. Handbooks can often be incorrect, for example stating that Powerman can lift 3 tons when he is clearly stronger than that.

Originally posted by Disappear

and it's a very rare thing for weights to actually be mentioned on-panel, such as "there's captain america lifting 1100 pounds." some people, when researching respect threads, look up real-life equivalents to what they see, but that doesn't mean that that is the intended weight limit by the writer or artist.

besides ultimate cap and the aforementioned period in which cap had superhuman strength, i don't think i've ever seen him lifting decidedly superhuman amounts of weight. care to prove your case, instead of just saying it again and again?

Well this is what they have to say in Marvel.com:

<He is depicted bench pressing 1100 lb (Cap) while D-Man is pressing 8900 which comes out like 4 tons and 900lbs while he said himself (D-Man) he could press 15 tons in a workout while carrying on a conversation in Captain America vol. 1 #402 (but not in the #402 issue).>

To be certain we need to get the scan it used to be on wiki, but its there no longer.

Futhermore characters do not have to lift to show their strength, their are other strength feats that show that Cap could lift 1 to 2 tons:

Ripping a steel door off a tractor.
Bending prison bars with ease, this feat is not too far off from when Sabretooth bended some barbells.
Buckling thick steel doors when he is injured in one arm
Pulling a packed supply truck through the desert that has one broken wheel.

Cap has consistently shown throught his career to be able to do feats like this.

Originally posted by marvelprince
His cybernetic parts don't give him that much of of a physical edge. In the past he was super strong with them but now the only thing they are is shiny. And durable

That doesn't make any sense. Without Cybernetic parts Cable will have the strength of a normal human being that takes regular intensive exrecise. He may be powered down but he still has cybernetic enhancements his strength level will be at least enhanced levels;

Originally posted by marvelprince

sigh. No. Your reading too much into this. Cable says Cap is stronger, faster and triple his endurance. Of course Cap is cause Cable stats are that of a human.

A strong human being with cybernetic enhancements is not going to have normal stats.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Cable seeing things in slow mo is cause of his tech eye,

Actually you're right about that , but this is what Marvel.com has to say about Cable's reflexes:

<His entire CNS (Central Nervous System) has been augmented by chemical changes down to the atomic level and by biocomputer enhancement, rendering his reaction time far above what is possible for a Human being. In spite of his great size and impressive build, Cable is literally fast enough to evade high-powered bullets in-flight (after they have been fired),>

Theres more......

<This great speed is also visible in superhuman levels of dexterity and agility, >

Originally posted by marvelprince

not cause of any training or level of superhuman appearances. To infer that Cap can do the same when Cable explicitly mentioned the areas where Cap is superior is wishful thinking

Well Cable's official bio says that Cable has superhuman reflexes which are not connected to TK and Cable said that Cap is faster then him. Cap has at least ehanced reflexes.

Originally posted by ankur29
where are you getting those stats from , where does it say 1 ton , 2 ton ,3 ton

he is peak, he can lift the maximum a human body is capable of lifting and lowerlevel superhuman is from 800lbs - 2 tons

cap is not 2 tons heck he isn't even 1 ton , he can lift under a ton 1100lbs is almost half a metric ton , he cannot lift four times that much (2 tons) he may be aroung 1500lbs with maximum effort 1 ton's or 2 is great exagerartion

I have already explained this point.

Originally posted by ankur29

btw what is said in 1 comic does not mean anything , spidey says morlun hit's harder than hulk and thor .....yeah right

Thats because Morlun was draining Spiderman's energy.

Originally posted by ankur29

he says wolverine is faster or as fast him .....thast wot i thought
he said himself he is 40 times faster/agile(reflexes)

Show me were he said that.

Originally posted by ankur29

he said himself he is 40 times faster/agile(reflexes)
than an average human but according to the handbook of 2005 he is 15 times more faster agile (greater reflexes)

Handbooks are consistently wrong, thats why I and you need to back them up with further evidence. What Cable says is just another bit of evidence that proves that Cap has enhanced stats I can bring even more proof to back it up.

*bump*

Duh... Cap pwns, everyone else sucks, Viva la revolution

Originally posted by King KAM
Duh... Cap pwns, everyone else sucks, Viva la revolution

Yeah thanx for that.....

Originally posted by Disappear
the lowest levels of superhuman strength start around 1000 pounds, according to references made to both quicksilver and toad. peak human strength is approximately 800 lbs. and it's a very rare thing for weights to actually be mentioned on-panel, such as "there's captain america lifting 1100 pounds." some people, when researching respect threads, look up real-life equivalents to what they see, but that doesn't mean that that is the intended weight limit by the writer or artist.

besides ultimate cap and the aforementioned period in which cap had superhuman strength, i don't think i've ever seen him lifting decidedly superhuman amounts of weight. care to prove your case, instead of just saying it again and again?

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpg

There you go. Theres Cap lifting 1100lbs with ease. If he can do that easily he probably can lift a ton.

i was told he was augmented to superhuman levels at that time and or it was hyperbole by one of the marvel handbook writer's i had questioned about cap's speed

Wrong the writer who wrote which is Ed Brubaker posts at the Alvaro Cap boards even stated thats what Cap can do. The only augmentation Cap had was the Super-Soilder-Serum.

Originally posted by Alfheim
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpg

There you go. Theres Cap lifting 1100lbs with ease. If he can do that easily he probably can lift a ton.

Dude i think he can lift more, cuz i thinks its 1100 lbs each barbell plate making it 2200 all together, plus the weight of the bar is probably another 100lbs or more too support such weight.

Originally posted by jasonk3
Dude i think he can lift more, cuz i thinks its 1100 lbs each barbell plate making it 2200 all together, plus the weight of the bar is probably another 100lbs or more too support such weight.

Mate are you sure????? Can you confirm this at all???

There's no way to confirm that.

But feats like supporting part of a Skyscrapper, support that he can go above that.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
There's no way to confirm that.

But feats like supporting part of a Skyscrapper, support that he can go above that.

Well it does kinda make sense that both weights were 1100Lbs.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well it does kinda make sense that both weights were 1100Lbs.

It's arguable, since the dials were electronic, whether the electronic readout was for each weight, or for the entire bar.

Either way.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/742/ca17016np5.jpg

Is this Cap saying he can see bullets ? 😕

Damn that herochat respect thread kicks ***

Cap at his highest showing is no where near Cable level. So why are we comparing the two?

Because of what Cable said, also Cable was depowered at the time. Im aware that Cable can augument himself, but without augmentation Cap could be better than Cable. Anyway thats what I undertsand.

Cable was depowered at that point. Like stated before to the point of just being a regular human that excerises immensly. When they "fixed" his TO virus he lost alot of the benefits that came with it. Granted it could kill him and took 27% of his telekentics to control, it had its benefits. Once he lost that he lost alot of his power, and basically was human at that point, and we all know Cap is above human.

In the current situation, yes, Cap was likely above a serverly weakened Cable. I think Cap is an amazing character, his blind hero stupidity is some times astounding, but a great hero none the less. He just isn't Cables level without a decently large powerup.

the digital counter on the bench press bar is total weight. 😄

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Once he lost that he lost alot of his power, and basically was human at that point, and we all know Cap is above human.

Yes he was severaly depowered but he is still a cyborg, which means that Cable would have enhanced stats.

Originally posted by sapphiremouse
the digital counter on the bench press bar is total weight. 😄

Ok so if somebody can lift 1100lbs without breaking a sweat and not breathing hard how much did you think the maximum is?. 1 ton is not unlikely.