Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Thank you Nikkolas. It's good that outside viewers are reading our arguments and noticing how we have almost proven that Dooku {and Battlemasters} know all forms. 🙂
But um you haven't. You first tried to tell us he mastered them all, then you tried to tell us he knew them all. Make up your mind.
There's more than one round?
Dooku's experince doesn't exceed Kas'im's by a ton actually. Take the 10 years between TPM and AOTC for example. Dooku did relatively little, if any, fighting during that time. Kas'im has likely fought and killed HUNDREDS of Jedi in fights to the death. Kas'im spent nearly every waking moment improving his combat skills. His dedication to lightsaber combat is much stronger than what has been shown in anyone else. If Dooku has more actual training time than Kas'im it's not a lot. And as we all know, experince isn't everything. The fact of the matter is that even if Dooku knows some elements of every form he has not MASTERED every form. As far as we know he's only mastered one.
Glentract:
Dooku has mastered Makashi, but definately he KNOWS and is skilled to an extent in all other forms. Knowing "some elements" like how Quinlan Vos knows Vapaad from Sora. He only knows couple of moves, nothing else. Dooku knows all the form, knowledgable enough to teach it and refine others.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Mastered them all = knew them all. To master, you need to know, yes? Yes, that makes sense. Your problem?
If you don't know the difference between "master" and "know", then you're on the wrong forum prodigal. Knowing some forms doesn't equate to mastering them. If you can't figure that out then I can't help you.
Sorry for the equal sign. What I meant is if you master something, you obviously have to know it, right? Einstein was a master of science, according to what you have said Einstein was a master of science, but he didn't know it.
I am saying if Dooku is a master of all forms, then obviously he knows the forms otherwise how can he master it?
There's more than one round?Dooku's experince doesn't exceed Kas'im's by a ton actually. Take the 10 years between TPM and AOTC for example. Dooku did relatively little, if any, fighting during that time. Kas'im has likely fought and killed HUNDREDS of Jedi in fights to the death. Kas'im spent nearly every waking moment improving his combat skills. His dedication to lightsaber combat is much stronger than what has been shown in anyone else. If Dooku has more actual training time than Kas'im it's not a lot. And as we all know, experince isn't everything. The fact of the matter is that even if Dooku knows some elements of every form he has not MASTERED every form. As far as we know he's only mastered one.
Proof he killed hundreds of Jedi? We have actual victories attributed to Dooku. Many. They've been listed and are fact. I would like some corresponding fact to your claim Kas'Im killed hundreds of Jedi. Or even 10 Jedi. Or even a single Jedi of those mythical hundreds that was on the level of Yoda, Mace, Sora Bulq, Vos, or the rest.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Proof he killed hundreds of Jedi? We have actual victories attributed to Dooku. Many. They've been listed and are fact. I would like some corresponding fact to your claim Kas'Im killed hundreds of Jedi. Or even 10 Jedi. Or even a single Jedi of those mythical hundreds that was on the level of Yoda, Mace, Sora Bulq, Vos, or the rest.
Look at the time period in which he lived. It's evident that he fought in wars and would have logically killed HUGE numbers of Jedi.
I am saying if Dooku is a master of all forms, then obviously he knows the forms otherwise how can he master it?
To bad for your argument Dooku ISN'T a master of all forms.
For the love of....who gives a shit. Master of all forms means really nothing. I mean, damn. He mastered them all. Who has he fought? Who has he beaten solidly that is on the level of Dooku? Did he go rounds with anyone on Yoda or Mace's level? Did he use The Force effectively and powerfully against opponents? I mean, gimme a break. Master of all forms and some speculation is a really weak argument. Get some actual accomplishments of his. Victories, draws, anything.
Yes Prodigal, nobody is claiming Dooku mastered all the forms besides you.
My basic point for the last four pages of arguments is Battlemasters know all forms and are skilled in it enough to teach their students. If your definition of master is like how Dooku knows Makashi, then hell no that Dooku has mastered all forms, he is just profricient in all of them.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
For the love of....who gives a shit. Master of all forms means really nothing. I mean, damn. He mastered them all. Who has he fought? Who has he beaten solidly that is on the level of Dooku? Did he go rounds with anyone on Yoda or Mace's level? Did he use The Force effectively and powerfully against opponents? I mean, gimme a break. Master of all forms and some speculation is a really weak argument. Get some actual accomplishments of his. Victories, draws, anything.
Ah so because he doesn't have experience, that gives Dooku the victory? Give me a break. Oh and it's a weak argument? Gee, what you're telling me to do is to play feat wars. Somebody needs a lesson on logical debating. And Dooku's experience is the only thing that might give him an edge. Then again he's battling the perfect warrior and master of all the lightsaber techniques. DOoku goes down.
For the love of....who gives a shit. Master of all forms means really nothing. I mean, damn. He mastered them all.
What I have been doing is proving to people that BM's know all forms. Of course, this does hold water for Dooku. Dooku was the BM for the PT Era, which has developed most forms into an advanced stage, so thats why I have been arguing over this.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
My basic point for the last four pages of arguments is Battlemasters know all forms and are skilled in it enough to teach their students. If your definition of master is like how Dooku knows Makashi, then hell no that Dooku has mastered all forms, he is just profricient in all of them.
Or most likely it means Dooku knows all forms vaguely, but has mastered Makashi.
And Dooku's experience is the only thing that might give him an edge. Then again he's battling the perfect warrior and master of all the lightsaber techniques. DOoku goes down.
This is stupid. Kas'Im is the perfect warrior. Hardly. We know Kas'Im is considered to be the greatest swordsmen of his time, but so what? Dooku just doesnt stand only due to experience. He is one the supreme masters of lightsaber against lightsaber combat. Dooku was considered one of the Orders' absolute finest.