Kas'im versus Count Dooku

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
What I have been doing is proving to people that BM's know all forms. Of course, this does hold water for Dooku. Dooku was the BM for the PT Era, which has developed most forms into an advanced stage, so thats why I have been arguing over this.

No, you haven't proven BM's know all forms. All you've given is a quote from an unreliable source. Keep living in a world of denial.

And anyways, the big thing with Kas'im knowing all forms is the fact he used aspects of them all in his fighting style. (Pretty sure; anyone who own's BoD prove it?)

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, you haven't proven BM's know all forms. All you've given is a quote from an unreliable source. Keep living in a world of denial.

And anyways, the big thing with Kas'im knowing all forms is the fact he used aspects of them all in his fighting style. (Pretty sure; anyone who own's BoD prove it?)

Originally posted by Kadesh
He doesnt know vaapad

Vaapad is technically not a form. It is an extension of Juyo to complete it. (Pretty sure).

Hmm true but vaapad is very very different from juyo, you should go read about it, i personally find it the best form

And um yes vaapad is a form invented by mace, he made it and he used it to finish juyo

Ah so because he doesn't have experience, that gives Dooku the victory? Give me a break. Oh and it's a weak argument? Gee, what you're telling me to do is to play feat wars. Somebody needs a lesson on logical debating. And Dooku's experience is the only thing that might give him an edge. Then again he's battling the perfect warrior and master of all the lightsaber techniques. DOoku goes down.

No. What I am asking you to do is back up your stupid quote with something more. Dooku is said to be one of the greated Jedi ever in the Order. But you know what? He has feats and accomplishments to back that up. He has victories and accounts for how powerful he is. Give me something that shows Kas'Im can go toe-to-toe with someone like Yoda or Mace as Dooku has done. Give me something solid and not simply conjecture. That's all I'm asking. Who has he beaten? What does he have going for him except some quotes?

This is so like all those Ragnos topics months ago....

Originally posted by Nikkolas
No. What I am asking you to do is back up your stupid quote with something more. Dooku is said to be one of the greated Jedi ever in the Order. But you know what? He has feats and accomplishments to back that up. He has victories and accounts for how powerful he is. Give me something that shows Kas'Im can go toe-to-toe with someone like Yoda or Mace as Dooku has done. Give me something solid and not simply conjecture. That's all I'm asking. Who has he beaten? What does he have going for him except some quotes?

This is so like all those Ragnos topics months ago....

Stupid quote? Well holy hell batman, how in the world can a quote be stupid? It's canon, it works. Dooku was said the be one of the greatest, while Kas'im was the greatest of the new sith in terms of dueling, and maybe the greatest ever. Who cares about his feats and accomplishments? Who cares about accounts? All Kas'im lacks is experience, and he makes up for it with his mastery over all the lightsaber forms. Who CARES who he beat? His ability to use force speed with his double blade, will chop Dooku in pieces..

And with Ragnos, we can logically deduce quite a lot about him, so sad that you can't.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Look at the time period in which he lived. It's evident that he fought in wars and would have logically killed HUGE numbers of Jedi.

[b]I am saying if Dooku is a master of all forms, then obviously he knows the forms otherwise how can he master it?

To bad for your argument Dooku ISN'T a master of all forms. [/B]

Actually no...the battle of Russan was one of the first time the Jedi had gotten involved in the NSO wars, Kas'im as we know wasn't even on the front lines he was in the Academy training the future jokes of the Sith. What we can LOGICALLY assume is he was in the Academy thats it, We can logically assume that he wasn't the strongest Sith of that Era since he wasn't the one to unite them like Kaan did, while they were in Civil War he just followed Kaan like a lackey.

Here is all the evidence we have on Kas'im

He killed his master

He mastered 7 forms

He beat Bane

He killed a Rancor.

Everything else is bull shit.

Stupid quote? Well holy hell batman, how in the world can a quote be stupid? It's canon, it works. Dooku was said the be one of the greatest, while Kas'im was the greatest of the new sith in terms of dueling, and maybe the greatest ever. Who cares about his feats and accomplishments? Who cares about accounts? All Kas'im lacks is experience, and he makes up for it with his mastery over all the lightsaber forms. Who CARES who he beat? His ability to use force speed with his double blade, will chop Dooku in pieces..

And with Kas'im we can logically deduce that he was the best duelist in an order full of weaklings and losers, that he was beaten by Bane using his Double Blade, that Bane even with the little training he had still kept up with his Jar Kari style. With that we can logically deduce that he is not so hot, for the hyperbolic "Perfect Warrior" crap he has shown actually very little. Thats why we are even having this discussion, so sorry everyone isn't as easily impressed by exaggerated quotes as you are.

Yea the time periods are a huge factor as well as the people in that time period with each combatant. Kas'im was with Bane and who else? I think it would be safe to say that Bane was the "big dog" of that era, right? Dooku was in the company of the BEST Jedi the galaxy has known, minus of course Luke and whatever completely over powered people LOTF has. But he has Yoda, Mace, Anakin, OB1, Kit, Ki, QGJ, and then had the most powerful Sith lord EVER has his mentor. I know Sidious' knowledge isnt totally reflective of Dooku's, but I'm sure that the Count learned quite a bit in the time he was with him.

I mean you almost can off strictly credentials here. Dooku's resume is amazing, and everyone knows I don't even like Dooku, but i give credit where credit is due.

No, you haven't proven BM's know all forms. All you've given is a quote from an unreliable source. Keep living in a world of denial.

Uh huh, sure. Wookiepedia is literally 99% reliable, and because of that 1% you're going to say "unreliable source, sorry." Even besides Wookie, I have proved BM's know all forms. You just can't admit you lost because all you can come up with is "Give me a source." 🙄

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Uh huh, sure. Wookiepedia is literally 99% reliable, and because of that 1% you're going to say "unreliable source, sorry." Even besides Wookie, I have proved BM's know all forms. You just can't admit you lost because all you can come up with is "Give me a source." 🙄

No, it is not 99% reliable. And you haven't proven anything about the BMs. You just keep spewing the same shit hoping it will eventually wear me down.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Uh huh, sure. Wookiepedia is literally 99% reliable, and because of that 1% you're going to say "unreliable source, sorry." Even besides Wookie, I have proved BM's know all forms. You just can't admit you lost because all you can come up with is "Give me a source." 🙄

no

yes

This debate is over. Kas'im has no displays he can take anyone on Dooku's level.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
This debate is over. Kas'im has no displays he can take anyone on Dooku's level.

Yes, debate is over for YOU. For the rest of us it's more than likely Kas'im can and will beat Dooku in a saber fight.

Who are you meaning the rest of us? There are still a bunch of people who believe Dooku wins.

No one has the authority to dictate the end of a debate.

What are the parameters of this fight? Is it just a lightsaber fight or does it include Force powers, as well? The first post doesn't describe.

Well Escape, who do you think would win in an all out fight?

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Well Escape, who do you think would win in an all out fight?

Count Dooku, of course.

I've not seen anything that makes me believe (for a moment) that Kas'im has anything close to the command and mastery of the Force (both sides) that Count Dooku possesses.

Dooku is Yoda's greatest protege, and one of the very, very, very best in the Order's history. If I were to speculate, I'd say he'd be in the top ten of its greatest students.

He served under Yoda and Sidious, who mastered the Force in a far more powerful way than anyone in Kas'im's time did.

I think Kas'im could give Dooku hell in a saber fight, and it is just possible that he might win.

However, I'd give the Force match and all out battle to Dooku.

Actually no...the battle of Russan was one of the first time the Jedi had gotten involved in the NSO wars, Kas'im as we know wasn't even on the front lines he was in the Academy training the future jokes of the Sith. What we can LOGICALLY assume is he was in the Academy thats it, We can logically assume that he wasn't the strongest Sith of that Era since he wasn't the one to unite them like Kaan did, while they were in Civil War he just followed Kaan like a lackey.

Have you even read PoD? The only reason Kaan brought them together was because his primary talent was in bringing people together. In a fight Kas'im would have had little difficulty killing Kaan. And Kas'im had only been at the Academy for maybe five years. The war had been going on since before he was born, so there were plenty of battles for him to have fought in. Where did you get the ridiculous idea that Ruusan was the first battle the Jedi fought in? What do you think they were doing for the previous THOUSAND years?

I think you miss the part where Kaan originally took over because he was the strongest-hence his original philosophy- and when things went badly for him, he created the Brotherhood and ditched his 'The strong shall Survive' philosophy.

in an all out fight with the Force, Kaan would've killed Kas'im. Kas'im was not the strongest Sith in the order. If he was, he'd have become the Dark Lord after he killed Na'Daz