Kas'im versus Count Dooku

I read this entire topic, I'm afraid. And you have given nothing except Kas'Im is a master of all forms. Escape and others have pointed out Dooku must have a very good knowledg eof all forms as well and all you keep babbling about is how this isn't so! Well, give some proof. How is Kas'Im so great? What has he done? Beat a Bane trained for months? Wow. Has he ever bested an opponent with 80 years experience and trained under two of the greatest masters of the light side and dark side of The Force?

Kas'im knew all seven lightsaber forms, and trained with them

He can deflect any force power sent by Dooku (Shown by his fight with Bane; last force power by Bane was deflected)

Deductions:

Dooku does not have the endurance (Logical deduction) to fight long with Kas'im. (How old is Kas'im? Anyone?) Proof?

I'm going along the lines that he's holding his body together through the force; look at Yoda when he fought Sidious. He slowly lost his WTFPWNED111!!1 abilities that he had in AoTC. If this goes down to the wire, Dooku will be tired as hell.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Kas'im knew all seven lightsaber forms, and trained with them

He can deflect any force power sent by Dooku (Shown by his fight with Bane; last force power by Bane was deflected)

Deductions:

Dooku does not have the endurance (Logical deduction) to fight long with Kas'im. (How old is Kas'im? Anyone?) Proof?

I'm going along the lines that he's holding his body together through the force; look at Yoda when he fought Sidious. He slowly lost his WTFPWNED111!!1 abilities that he had in AoTC. If this goes down to the wire, Dooku will be tired as hell.

However Kas'im is severely lacking in real life battle experience, and that's vitally important.

2. Knowing some elements of a form does not mean that you know the form. Kas'im had mastery over all of the forms to an extremely high level. It doesn't matter if Dooku or Anakin knew traces of the forms. Why? Because almost every single Jedi in the entire PT Order knows pieces of every form, but very few know all of even ONE complete form.

True, but who is the person who teaches these bits and pieces and works on individual Jedi with their techniques? Guess what, the Battlemaster! Every Jedi needs a teacher, and the Battlemaster is the one.

When Anakin fought Grevious in AOTC? I think you mean Dooku...

My bad, sorry.

However, when did it ever say that Anakin used Ataru?

Well that's what Wookiepedia. AND I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT MY REASONING FOR WHY WOOKIE IS ACCURARE, RocasAtoll.

Here:

"Anakin was one of the most talented lightsaber wielders in the Jedi Order. As a Padawan, Anakin practiced Ataru, but he abandoned it after his defeat at the hands of Count Dooku on Geonosis and turned to the power of Djem So."

Originally posted by Dessel
However Kas'im is severely lacking in real life battle experience, and that's vitally important.

Maybe so but he specifically trained his whole life for the battle he would be a part of(the sith wars on Ruusan), and he was the perfect warrior.

He had great capabilities, it's just his experience. I'd say he only just takes this due to his overall better knowledge, better physical shape and seemingl superior strength in the force.

WTF? Better knowledge- How? Dooku has several more decades experience in the lightsaber combat and in the Force.

Physical Shape- Yes, but Dooku is strong. He kicked Anakin on the chest (which means he quite flexible in his legs) and that slammed Anakin ten feet away into a wall.

Super Strength in the Force- Kas'Im can block yes, but Dooku necessarily doesn't have to use the Force upon him. Dooku just needs to do his Cho Sun and then Kas'Im is open for the Count of Serenno.

Dooku has more experience in combat, in Force powers/refinement/control, and even in lightsaber battles than Kas'Im. The gap of expertise and experience between them is, sadly, a considerable degree.

Originally posted by Dessel
However Kas'im is severely lacking in real life battle experience, and that's vitally important.

Excuse me, but what were you saying? Kas'im lacks real life battle experince? LMAO!!! Look at the time he lived in. It was a war where Jedi and Sith were fighting in every battle. How many Force Users had Dooku fought in real combat? Maybe five. Kas'im has easily fought that many as he was one of the top Sith, if not THE top Sith, in the ENTIRE Brotherhood.

Count Dooku's overall experience, by far, exceeds Kas'im's own. Eight decades of lightsaber conditioning, training, dueling, and practicing the Force. He is one of the very greatest Jedi ever, and, according to the RotS novelization, was "an even greater Lord of the Sith".

Kas'im may win the first round. But he's not going to win the second.

First round?

Dooku wins in an all out fight, while Kas'Im may win in the Force because of his shield.

Eescape you're probably right, but he did show us some considerable force abilities, mainly creating a shield to protect himself from Bane's force wave, and force speed in a saber duel which would more likely be attributed to lightsaber combat rather than actual force abilities.

Prodigal, Dooku might have more experience but Kas'ims saber knowledge far exceeds his. Very unlikely Dooku stands a chance against him.

That's why he would win in the Force, but overall, I say Dooku.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
That's why he would win in the Force, but overall, I say Dooku.

How does his saber mastery equate to him beating DOoku in the force? So far the only thing that's more than likely is him beating Dooku with the saber. Force powers are debateable.

Prodigal, Dooku might have more experience but Kas'ims saber knowledge far exceeds his. Very unlikely Dooku stands a chance against him.

"Very unlikely Dooku stands a chance against him"? What a very bold claim, DS.

It is a bold claim you're right. Maybe my choice of words was incorrect, but I don't think Dooku would be able to keep up with Kas'im in a saber duel.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It is a bold claim you're right. Maybe my choice of words was incorrect, but I don't think Dooku would be able to keep up with Kas'im in a saber duel.

That one of the greatest duelists ever, one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever doesn't stand a chance against Kas'im is preposterous.

Escape and others have pointed out Dooku must have a very good knowledg eof all forms as well and all you keep babbling about is how this isn't so!

Thank you Nikkolas. It's good that outside viewers are reading our arguments and noticing how we have almost proven that Dooku {and Battlemasters} know all forms. 🙂

Hence my explanation for using the wrong terminology. But Kas'im was the best of the order and perhaps the best ever. Sure, DOoku stands a chance but its very UNLIKELY he'll win in a saber duel. There..