reality manipulator vs. matter manipulator

a guy who manipulates matter on a planetary scale against a guy who can manipulate reality on a planetary scale. no difference in imagination or creativity.... who wins?

Originally posted by air beardey
a guy who manipulates matter on a planetary scale against a guy who can manipulate reality on a planetary scale. no difference in imagination or creativity.... who wins?

so basically what you are asking is Proteus vs Silver Surfer???

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Reality wins. He controls the laws of physics, even time. IT's like putting HOM Scarlet Witch against the Molecule man. She wins everytime.

Actually I'd call it a draw... few people have grasped the power of the reality gem. Even scarlet witch had no idea what she was doing with it.

Thanos himself said that few could grasp the limits of its power.

That said... Scarlett witch HOM... is too mentally unstable to handle a multiversal such as molecule man. Powerwise I'd say about equal, maybe giving a little to SW... but in ability to use the power... i'd give it to molecule man.

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Originally posted by Soljer
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Get bent. Go drown. Slide down a slide of razors. Chew bricks. Inhale bees, and then kiss a frozen pole with your tongue.

Originally posted by air beardey
a guy who manipulates matter on a planetary scale against a guy who can manipulate reality on a planetary scale. no difference in imagination or creativity.... who wins?

IMO reality manipulation takes this

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Get bent. Go drown. Slide down a slide of razors. Chew bricks. Inhale bees, and then kiss a frozen pole with your tongue.

Awww, I didn't know you cared.

It'll be fun around the forums, till you get too shamed to show your face again.

Originally posted by Soljer
Awww, I didn't know you cared.

It'll be fun around the forums, till you get too shamed to show your face again.

reality manipulater [planetary] imagines earth is lifeless xcept for No.1. Reality manipulator ftw.

enough bitching.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
i'm gone for another 6 months.

reality > matter.

but really depends on level of reality vs level of matter M.

But there are very few reality manipulators who are extremly powerful.

on the other hand there are lots of people able to Matter Manipulate like SS.

Originally posted by Soljer
Awww, I didn't know you cared.

It'll be fun around the forums, till you get too shamed to show your face again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Reality wins. He controls the laws of physics, even time. IT's like putting HOM Scarlet Witch against the Molecule man. She wins everytime.

are you kidding?

post retcon Molecule Man is a Cosmic Cube level being. His definition of of reality manipulation makes what the Scarlet Witch does look like baking cookies.

pre retcon Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT, possibly if the Beyonder could be taken at his word more powerful than TOAA.

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the reality manipulator wins hands down btw

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
pre retcon Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
possibly if the Beyonder could be taken at his word more powerful than TOAA.

Originally posted by Galan777
Beyonder never said MM was more powerful then TOAA, in fact, Beyonder never even mentioned TOAA.

MM, by the way, was able to warp more then matter. He could warp energy, spacetime, all sorts of things.

The pre retcon Beyonder stated that the Molecule Man was the most powerful being other after himself in"this" reality.

Does TOAA exist in some other reality besides the Marvel Omniverse and the pre retcon Beyonder verse?

reality manipulator would have an easier time, but matter manipulation would require quite a bit more imagination to acheieve the same effect. so providing that the reality controller isnt bat shit insane as they usually are, id go with that one as well

Originally posted by Galan777
Yes! There is a God!

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Indeed, I thought similarly.

The Mater Manipulaters could just turn a reality warper into a statue or piece of cheese. I mean in reality both can be quite strong.

One can make it so you never existed while the other can change the fundamental fabric space.

Although I would say that Reality Wapers have more range and scope with their powers