Originally posted by King KandyOk, I guess you could consider a portal to the Beyond realm a space warp, and in turn reality manipulation as well.
Space warps.
Originally posted by King KandyWhen?
Time changing.
Originally posted by King KandyOk, I guess you could consider a portal to the Beyond realm a Dimensional transport, and in turn reality manipulation as well.
Dimesionional transport.
Originally posted by UniOmni
But reality is made up of matter.Reality is matter.
Reality is more than matter. Reality is a concept. It is what makes things the way they are. Gravity is gravity becuz of reality. The sun produces light becuz of reality. Energy is energy becuz of reality. Reality can even beat Death. the very concept of death can be erased by a high tier reality manipulator. Matter manips can't do it. Even the molecule man couldn't bring death back after the beyonder, a high thier reality manip killed her. Reality for the win.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlActually all the stuff you just talked about do what they do because of how matter interacts with eachother.
Reality is more than matter. Reality is a concept. It is what makes things the way they are. Gravity is gravity becuz of reality. The sun produces light becuz of reality. Energy is energy becuz of reality. Reality can even beat Death. the very concept of death can be erased by a high tier reality manipulator. Matter manips can't do it. Even the molecule man couldn't bring death back after the beyonder, a high thier reality manip killed her. Reality for the win.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually all the stuff you just talked about do what they do because of how matter interacts with eachother.
Actually no. Reality is beyond an interaction. it is the reason for the interaction in the first place. Reality is the reason for matter. Not vice versa. Someone with enough reality altering powers can shift time lines. A matter manipulator cannot do that. Reality is the winner in this thread.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI'm not gonna lie I already said Reality Manipulators have more scope then Matter Manips do if only because they can effect things in the time line but as for effecting things a Matter Manip can be just as strong as Reality Manip.
Actually no. Reality is beyond an interaction. it is the reason for the interaction in the first place. Reality is the reason for matter. Not vice versa. Someone with enough reality altering powers can shift time lines. A matter manipulator cannot do that. Reality is the winner in this thread.
A Matter Manip could change teh entire planet into something else along with everyone on it just like a reality Manip could as well.
Now before you say but the reality Manip could just make it so the the Matter Manip guy never existed the Matter Manip guy could change it so the Reality Manip doesn't exist just asa easily.
Originally posted by UniOmniBreaking a wall of reality by physical means hardly makes you a reality/matter manipulator. If it does, its to a VERY low degree.
Really?Cuz all Superman 1Million did, was harden time into physical matter, and punched through it back to his century.
He jumped timelines, all by using matter manipulation.
The point is that Reality Manipulation can change actual meanings. Like when The beyonder made Death meaningless. No amount of matter manip can do that. A reality manip can make it so that East actually means west and south means north. Matter manip cannot do that. A reality manip can alter things that have no substance like how people think and remember. A matter manip can't do that. They would have to change the entire person into someone else. a reality manip can alter everyone's memory in the world like scarlet witch did. or like in avengers 1-4. Take a look at Mr. Mxypl. He is a top tier reality manip. He can do things that no matter manip can do and he can do every thing that they can do. Scarlet witch was able to remake the universe over and over. The most I've seen a matter manip do is repair the universes. REPAIR. Not remake. Reality wins.
With OUT REALITY, a Reality manipulator can NOT create Reality from nothing.
With OUT MATTER, a Matter manipulator can NOT create Matter from nothing.
No one should be mentioning Pre-retcon Beyonder, because he was neither of these,
Beyonder was a "god" and could do anything, with or without Reality or Matter.
Only a handful of beings can claim such a status, to be able to CREATE from NOTHING.
Originally posted by Mr Master
With OUT REALITY, a Reality manipulator can NOT create Reality from nothing.With OUT MATTER, a Matter manipulator can NOT create Matter from nothing.
No one should be mentioning Pre-retcon Beyonder, because he was neither of these,
Beyonder was a "god" and could do anything, with or without Reality or Matter.
Only a handful of beings can claim such a status, to be able to CREATE from NOTHING.
And exactly who and what gives you the authority to tell us who we should and shouldn't mention in a forum? As I remember correctly, Parallax and Scarlet Witch wiped out Entire universes as in NOthing and then remade them. They didn't manipulate something already there. They cleaned the slate into oblivion and then remade them. This would imply that reality manipulators DO NOT NEED REALITY TO MANIPULATE.
again tell that to jim jaspers.......you'll be hard pressed to find a higher tier reality warper, yet he was battling the Fury and warping the shit out of reality...then the fury transported him to a void where no matter existed and it rendered him powerless...the fury subsquently blew his brains out.
and if anyone is still confused as to how boss matter manipulators can be i advise to revisit the authority and check out The Doctor in action. he is on such a high lievel that it is impossible to distimguish whether he's warping reality or matter..like for example turning an alien fleet into roses, holding Italy in place, like literally and let the rest of the world turn so that that piece of land was left without atmospheric protection which resulted in an enitre alien fleet was flash frizen by the vacuum of space, and the straglers were washedaway by the ocean...or the way he would transport hundreds of ppl at a time to other dimensions to get them out of harm's way
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And exactly who and what gives you the authority to tell us who we should and shouldn't mention in a forum?
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I remember correctly, Parallax and Scarlet Witch wiped out Entire universes as in NOthing and then remade them. They didn't manipulate something already there. They cleaned the slate into oblivion and then remade them. This would imply that reality manipulators DO NOT NEED REALITY TO MANIPULATE.
I don't know about Parallax, not my specialty, but you remember INCORRECTLY in the Witch's case.
HOM Wanda NEVER erased even ONE Universe,
Wanda destroyed and REMADE the same Universe she destroyed, with the same matter that was left over from the destruction.
Originally posted by manjaro
again tell that to jim jaspers.......you'll be hard pressed to find a higher tier reality warper, yet he was battling the Fury and warping the shit out of reality...then the fury transported him to a void where no matter existed and it rendered him powerless...the fury subsquently blew his brains out.
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Originally posted by manjaro
and if anyone is still confused as to how boss matter manipulators can be i advise to revisit the authority and check out The Doctor in action. he is on such a high lievel that it is impossible to distimguish whether he's warping reality or matter..like for example turning an alien fleet into roses, holding Italy in place, like literally and let the rest of the world turn so that that piece of land was left without atmospheric protection which resulted in an enitre alien fleet was flash frizen by the vacuum of space, and the straglers were washedaway by the ocean...or the way he would transport hundreds of ppl at a time to other dimensions to get them out of harm's way
Nice heads up Manja,
I have the Authority collection and I haven't delved into yet, sounds interesting.
Originally posted by Mr Master
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Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know about Parallax, not my specialty, but you remember INCORRECTLY in the Witch's case.HOM Wanda NEVER erased even ONE Universe,
Wanda destroyed and REMADE the same Universe she destroyed, with the same matter that was left over from the destruction.
I think he fails to see the distinction. Destroying a universe is not the same as erasing a universe.
Nvrbeenwithagirl.....look at it this way. If you burn someone alive, you destroy thier body, but you do not erase it.
Their remnants and remains exist in another form....corrupted from its original. If you are a matter manipulator you can easily rebuild them to thier original form.
Same with a universe. If you wreck a universe to a state of nonfunctionality, and then use your reality warping powers to reshape it, you are not "creating from nothing"
A standard reality warper cannot "create" realities, only warp currently existing realities.