Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting,that must be the DC outlook on the subject, cause in Marvel Tiame and Space is what makes up Reality.
Without Time and Space (in Marvel) you have nothingness.
When Thanos absorbed the Multi-verse, nothing remained, no Reality.
Then, in order to bring Reality back:
When in possession of something such as the IG or the HOTU, you are no simple matter manipulator. You manipulate ALL spectrums.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Also:When the FURY teleported Jim Jaspers, perhaps the ultimate Reality Manipulator ever in Marvel:
The FURY realizes "Jim can Alter Reality at Whim, what if, there were NO Reality to Altar"
So the FURY, teleports both Jaspers and itself to UN-SPACE
The Result
That scene in itself is contradictory. If there was no time..how were they moving? How did moments proceed? How were they still in any kind of material form or have access to powers when it's NOT a reality?
A void is still a reality of some kind. NOTHING may exist, but it's still a reality.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If your getting your info from DC, I'll agree when debating strickly within the confines of that company, but as you can see, Marvel looks at it differently.
I'm taking things from DC, Marvel, Image, and real life. The thread starter didn't confine the battle to any single universe so it's up to us in the debate to arrive to a conclusion.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
When in possession of something such as the IG or the HOTU, you are no simple matter manipulator. You manipulate ALL spectrums.
Kool, but what the scan shows is that Marvel considers Reality Time and Space.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That scene in itself is contradictory. If there was no time..how were they moving? How did moments proceed? How were they still in any kind of material form or have access to powers when it's NOT a reality?
They were surrrounded by Un-Reality, they were surrounded by a Timeless, Spaceless void. which equals to no Reality.
They themselves were not Un-Reality, their surroundings were.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A void is still a reality of some kind. NOTHING may exist, but it's still a reality.
Not in Marvel.
Actually in Marvel NOTHING DOES Exist (Oblivion) but it is NOT Reality.
I could swamp this thread with a truckload of examples if you wish,
if you know my style, then you know I'm not just saying this.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm taking things from DC, Marvel, Image, and real life. The thread starter didn't confine the battle to any single universe so it's up to us in the debate to arrive to a conclusion.
Well then, I'll speak for Marvel exclusively since I know little of DC.
You can't be taking your info from Marvel cause I am, and in Marvel No Time and Space = No Reality.
Actually, insofar as I have ever seen or heard of No-Reality cannot exist in Marvel... Reed did (Thanos did not, as he still existed and wherever AW, G and the baby were existed) and immeditately reality came back to existence.
Btw, you no time and no space arguement fails because black holes exist in marvel, and a black hole is what markes the event horizon for a singularity...and in a singularity neither time nor space exist but the singularity is still part of reality.
i didnt think anything more could possibly be added to this😄 ppl are arguing in circles now...matter manipulation is admittledy a slightly lower tier than reality manipulation, but at the end of the day...as far as comics are concerned they are both dependent on already existing substance to work with..as was seen with Jim jaspers being renderd powerless in a void, or thanos destroying reality by destroying space and time..
the main gist im trying to get across is that once characters weild thier respective powers on a global or cosmic scale..the line between the two is unrecognizable, as i said earlier in this thread where old school reality warping beyonder cuased massive amounts of damage across the multiverse, and molecule man ended up repairing it with his matter controlling powers. i even have an old hercules comic where galactus made his giant energy consuming thing out of air molecules. once its up those lvls the difference is only fundamental
Originally posted by manjaro
i didnt think anything more could possibly be added to this😄 ppl are arguing in circles now...matter manipulation is admittledy a slightly lower tier than reality manipulation, but at the end of the day...as far as comics are concerned they are both dependent on already existing substance to work with..as was seen with Jim jaspers being renderd powerless in a void, or thanos destroying reality by destroying space and time..the main gist im trying to get across is that once characters weild thier respective powers on a global or cosmic scale..the line between the two is unrecognizable, as i said earlier in this thread where old school reality warping beyonder cuased massive amounts of damage across the multiverse, and molecule man ended up repairing it with his matter controlling powers. i even have an old hercules comic where galactus made his giant energy consuming thing out of air molecules. once its up those lvls the difference is only fundamental
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Kool, but what the scan shows is that Marvel considers Reality Time and Space.
It says they are needed for the universe. It doesn't say that they are exclusively the 2 ingredients needed for reality.
Even so, that scene basically proves that the reality manipulator IS in fact the most powerful. All matter was removed along with all time and space. He was #1 and without time and space there is no reality (by your example) and without reality...there is no matter.
Originally posted by Soljer
But you can alter them to whatever extent you want. Then, you can accomplish the same feat WITHOUT breaking the laws of physics. 🙂.
Originally posted by manorastroman
matter manipulator could turn a brown wooden shack into a gold and marble palace.reality manipulator could turn a brown wooden shack into woody allen.
see the difference?
Uhhh...the matter manipulator could just as easily swap around a few protons and electrons inside each atom, to create the required elements in the required sequence to produce the necessary DNA, Proteins, Lipids, and Carbohydrates to compose a human being. Even woody allen.
