Reality Manipulators can make left mean right and up mean down. They can make death meaningless and wipe out entire races of beings. Matter Manipulators change things from one state to another. They need something there to use. A reality Manipulator can go into the void of nothing and create. Reality wins hands down.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Reality Manipulators can make left mean right and up mean down. They can make death meaningless and wipe out entire races of beings. Matter Manipulators change things from one state to another. They need something there to use. A reality Manipulator can go into the void of nothing and create. Reality wins hands down.
As ignorant as ever.
You're using an abstract-level reality manipulator, and a child-level matter manipulator.
Who is to say the matter manipulator just makes the reality manipulator not exist? 😬.
At high enough power levels, reality manipulation IS matter manipulation, and vice versa.
Originally posted by Soljer
As ignorant as ever.You're using an abstract-level reality manipulator, and a child-level matter manipulator.
Who is to say the matter manipulator just makes the reality manipulator not exist? 😬.
At high enough power levels, reality manipulation IS matter manipulation, and vice versa.
And you seek to put me down with no real merit. Scarlet witch at her lowest lvl of power could still beat silver surfer, a high lvl matter maninpulator. So reality beats matter any day. hence why there is a reality gem and not a matter gem. matter manipulation is part of reality but reality manip is not part of matter manip.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you seek to put me down with no real merit. Scarlet witch at her lowest lvl of power could still beat silver surfer, a high lvl matter maninpulator. So reality beats matter any day. hence why there is a reality gem and not a matter gem. matter manipulation is part of reality but reality manip is not part of matter manip.
So reality is not composed of matter, hm? Good to know.
And the Silver Surfer is hardly a matter manipulator of high enough level to be compared to people who warp the entire 616 universe.
Originally posted by Soljer
So reality is not composed of matter, hm? Good to know.And the Silver Surfer is hardly a matter manipulator of high enough level to be compared to people who warp the entire 616 universe.
Um did you read the part where I said Scarlet witch at her LOWEST lvl could still beat surfer?
And Reality is so much more than matter. Reality has abstract meanings. A person with Reality Manip can make gravity and physics change meaning. They can time travel and more. These things, I don't see pure matter manipulators doing.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um did you read the part where I said Scarlet witch at her LOWEST lvl could still beat surfer?And Reality is so much more than matter. Reality has abstract meanings. A person with Reality Manip can make gravity and physics change meaning. They can time travel and more. These things, I don't see pure matter manipulators doing.
A matter manipulator of high enough level can change the composition of fundamental particles, thus changing physics.
Go figure.
Originally posted by manjaro
ther isnt a more classic example of PR. Beyonder(Reality) going insane and Owen Recce(Matter) calming him down and fixing the damage he has wrought...so at those lvls its all the same thing
I really don't think it could be stated better.
Preretcon Molecule man... (obviously a matter manipulator) was stated as possibly the most powerful person in our multiverse I mean jesus. with a though the guy repairs shit through the multiverse.
I still say this is a stalemate.
The too guys don't fight each other, they plot how to make their planetary powers, multiversal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Matter Manipulators change things from one state to another. They need something there to use. A reality Manipulator can go into the void of nothing and create. Reality wins hands down.
Reality nor Matter manipulators can create from nothing.
That's why they are called manipulators, because they use what they can.
Even my man MM, Pre or otherwise, could not create from nothing, but he was the most powerful being after Beyonder because he could manipulate anything, no matter the scale.
Manipulators need a base to work off.
Hence the manipulator title.
And at the highest levels, they're indistinguishable from one another.
Matter goes beyond the physical into the spiritual and etc.
If someone can manipulate to that degree, then they're effectively manipulating reality.
I've heard it said that Galactus would lose to a reality warper. How is that so, when he's one himself??
Changing someones soul, or personality, is as intimate as you go in changing reality.
Changing the way people act/see the world/existence is changing reality at its most basic levels.
They're the same thing, if you wanna go deep enough.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Reality wins hands down.Matter needs some sort of reality to exist. Reality does not need matter to exist.
I basically said this earlier and people just seemed to rip me to shreds acting as if I wasn't right and reality is much stronger than matter. I even said that Matter is a part of reality, but reality is beyond simple matter.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThat is because it isn't true.
I basically said this earlier and people just seemed to rip me to shreds acting as if I wasn't right and reality is much stronger than matter. I even said that Matter is a part of reality, but reality is beyond simple matter.
Both require something to perform the tasks because both are manipulators meaning they need something in order to manipulate.
If you to talk about reality creators then basically there is only one in each Comic Company that being the God of whatever company it is although they cxould also be Matter creators to since everything is made up of Matter so it can go either way you want.