Originally posted by General Kenobl
Just how so? Because when he was caught by surprise , we was taken out in eight seconds or so? Seriously man, people undermine Kenobi in the Force. He slammed Grievous (who was able to dodge Force attacks) into a steel bar which was fifty feet into the air, hundred feet across. He brought down a ton of metal on the Magnaguards. I know that Dooku is definately better, but to say he pwns in 4 seconds is ridiculous. Dooku pwns a chum like some other Jedi in 4 seconds. It's not logical that he does the same with Kenobi.
Dude, he ripped the ****ing restraints off of the metal. He didn't pick the damn thing up and throw it. It's bullshit like that that makes me lose my patience with you on this issue. Grievous dodged Force attacks in CW, not in RotS.
And "caught off guard"? Bullshit. Anyone who lands a move on a Jedi or a Sith, technically, caught them off guard. Mace caught Sidious off guard when he kicked him in the face, Sidious caught Yoda off guard when he blasted him with lightning, Yoda caught Sidious off guard when he Force pushed him.
Originally posted by The Planet
Dude, he caught him in the middle of a parry, it's not like Dooku just walked up to him and broke through his force defences, Dooku initiated the attack just as Kenobi was blocking a blow with his saber.
Which does what? If anything, that has no bearing on the fight considering Obi-Wan's Force "defense" doesn't have anything to do with how he handles a lightsaber. Count Dooku Force pushed him once during their fight, and he did so a second time.
Dooku is better than Obi-Wan in the Force by a mile.
Originally posted by The Planet
Dooku initiated the force attack [b]while Kenobi was blocking a saber blow. He wasn't expecting Dooku to just pull off an impromptu force attack, he was caught by surprise. [/B]
Like I said before. Technically, when one bests another, one catches his opponent off guard.
Originally posted by Gideon
Which does what? If anything, that has no bearing on the fight considering Obi-Wan's Force "defense" doesn't have anything to do with how he handles a lightsaber. Count Dooku Force pushed him once during their fight, and he did so a second time.Dooku is better than Obi-Wan in the Force by a mile.
Are you being asinine on purpose? The force attack caught him by surprise as he was putting most of his effort into blocking a saber blow. In other words:
1. He wasn't expecting it and wouldn't have known to put up a proper defence for it.
2. He was putting most of his effort into blocking a saber blow, as Dooku initiated the force attack at the same time as attacking him with a saber - one of the benefits of wielding a saber with just one hand.
Are you being asinine on purpose? The force attack caught him by surprise as he was putting most of his effort into blocking a saber blow. In other words:
Funny. Didn't you say, earlier that "Atton is a greater tactition than Revan!!11!!!!1111 LololollzoORz!!!1".
1. He wasn't expecting it and wouldn't have known to put up a proper defence for it.
Like I told you before. Anyone who bests someone in a duel technically caught the other off guard. Mace caught Sidious off guard when he kicked him in the face. Sidious caught Yoda off guard when he blasted him with Force lightning. Yoda caught Sidious off guard when he Force pushed him across the room. Obi-Wan caught Grievous off guard when he Force pushed him into a wall.
Blah fricken blah.
2. He was putting most of his effort into blocking a saber blow, as Dooku initiated the force attack at the same time as attacking him with a saber - one of the benefits of wielding a saber with just one hand.
One of the benefits of being a more powerful Force user and a more experienced duelist.
Originally posted by Gideon
Like I said before. Technically, when one bests another, one catches his opponent off guard.
Are you having a bad day or something, because you are coming out with some whack shit. If someone can see that an opponent is about to attack him/her, puts up a defence, but is simply bested, that isn't being caught off guard. Being caught off guard is when you're unprepared.
Originally posted by The Planet
Are you having a bad day or something, because you are coming out with some [b]whack shit. If someone can see that an opponent is about to attack him/her, puts up a defence, but is simply bested, that isn't being caught off guard. Being caught off guard is when you're unprepared. [/B]
Like being kicked in the face, blasted with Force lightning, and Force pushed into a wall? 🙂
Funny. Didn't you say, earlier that "Atton is a greater tactition than Revan!!11!!!!1111 LololollzoORz!!!1".
Clearly, you can't tell when I'm putting it on or off. This doesn't actually surprise me, you've proven yourself to be lacking perception in the past. The point is, anything I say when I'm not being serious has no bearing on anything I say when I am, so bringing it up only makes you look bad.
Like I told you before. Anyone who bests someone in a duel technically caught the other off guard. Mace caught Sidious off guard when he kicked him in the face. Sidious caught Yoda off guard when he blasted him with Force lightning. Yoda caught Sidious off guard when he Force pushed him across the room. Obi-Wan caught Grievous off guard when he Force pushed him into a wall.Blah fricken blah.
This is wrong, refer to my post above.
One of the benefits of being a more powerful Force user and a more experienced duelist.
🙂 👆
Clearly, you can't tell when I'm putting it on or off. This doesn't actually surprise me, you've proven yourself to be lacking perception in the past. The point is, anything I say when I'm not being serious has no bearing on anything I say when I am, so bringing it up only makes you look bad.
Clearly, you can't go around pointing fingers at people for being asinine. However, this action doesn't surprise me, because you're a pretty crappy debater. Stuff like this is expected from you. So, going around telling people to "don't be asinine, I am right, you are wrong!!!" when you are asinine and you are wrong makes you look more... stupid.
But, you've pretty much nailed a record for that place anyway.
Say, aren't you supposed to be retired? Why, if this isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black. 😛
This is wrong, refer to my post above.
For the love of God, you dumbass. Dooku no more caught Obi-Wan off guard than Mace did Sidious, Sidious to Yoda, and Yoda to Sidious. Quit being a jackass and refute it.
Originally posted by The Planet
Hold up, so you're disregarding common sense, and only considering three cases which happen to support your view. Please, that's ridiculous.
1. Maul and Obi-Wan
2. Obi-Wan and Grievous
3. Obi-Wan and Dooku
4. Sidious and Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto
5. Sidious and Mace
6. Sidious and Yoda
7. Sidious and Yoda
8. Anakin and Obi-Wan
Eight examples off of the top of my head. Quit being a jackass and refute it.
Clearly, you can't go around pointing fingers at people for being asinine. However, this action doesn't surprise me, because you're a pretty crappy debater. Stuff like this is expected from you. So, going around telling people to "don't be asinine, I am right, you are wrong!!!" when you are asinine and you are wrong makes you look more... stupid.But, you've pretty much nailed a record for that place anyway.
How can't I? I've proven myself to be beyond pretty much 99% of the SW section (yes, you included), even if I am inconsistent as hell. And I didn't realise you needed to be a champion debater to tell when someone else is debating badly, but nice logic anyway!
Say, aren't you supposed to be retired? Why, if this isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Clearly you're too dumb to realise that me putting 'retired debater' under my user name is me taking the piss out of you. Think over it hard, you might understand.
For the love of God, you dumbass. Dooku no more caught Obi-Wan off guard than Mace did Sidious, Sidious to Yoda, and Yoda to Sidious. Quit being a jackass and refute it.
Nice strawman! My argument was never testing the degree of surprise that Dooku had on his side, I was just stating that he did catch him off guard.
Originally posted by Gideon
1. Maul and Obi-Wan
2. Obi-Wan and Grievous
3. Obi-Wan and Dooku
4. Sidious and Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto
5. Sidious and Mace
6. Sidious and Yoda
7. Sidious and Yoda
8. Anakin and Obi-WanEight examples off of the top of my head. Quit being a jackass and refute it.
LMFAO! There's nothing to refute. You providing eight cases where someone bests another by catching them off guard in no way proves that someone technically catches someone off guard [b]every[/i] time they best them. That's simply fallacious, I provided a perfectly reasonable scenario where that isn't the case, the fact is, your original statement was ridiculous.
How can't I? I've proven myself to be beyond pretty much 99% of the SW section (yes, you included), even if I am inconsistent as hell. And I didn't realise you needed to be a champion debater to tell when someone else is debating badly, but nice logic anyway!
LMAO!
Where have you done so? Oh, yes. I forgot. You're the one who claims to have "beaten" Advent, yes? I was under the impression that most people disagree with your self-assessment. 😉
Clearly you're too dumb to realise that me putting 'retired debater' under my user name is me taking the piss out of you. Think over it hard, you might understand.
Nice... erm... excuse? All you've done is put the "retired debater" title that Advent uses. Say, didn't you accuse me of copying her? 😛
Nice strawman! My argument was never testing the degree of surprise that Dooku had on his side, I was just stating that he did catch him off guard.
And, as I told you, Count Dooku no more caught Obi-Wan off guard than the previous examples. That Obi-Wan wasn't expecting it means jack. Anakin wasn't expecting to get his arms and legs amputated. Sidious wasn't expecting to get pushed across the room or kicked in the face. Dooku wasn't expecting to get grabbed and his hands cut off. Grievous wasn't expecting to get pushed into a wall. Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto didn't expect to get diced by Sidious. Mace didn't expect to get electrocuted and flung out of a window. Yoda didn't expect to get blasted by Force lightning. Anakin didn't expect to be kicked into a wall.
Need I go on?
He's the inferior Force user, regardless, and was defeated by a more skilled opponent.
LMAO!Where have you done so? Oh, yes. I forgot. You're the one who claims to have "beaten" Advent, yes? I was under the impression that most people disagree with your self-assessment.
Dude, for a short while, nobody could touch me, only Advent, I don't need recognition from others in determining the obvious (even though I did get it, from you, darth sith to name a few). I was beyond pretty much the whole of the forum, and I had one bad day. So what? I don't deny that I'm inconsistent, you, on the other hand, are always at the same level, at my best, I've defeated you numerous times, that's how I know I'm better than you, I'm beating you now, anyone with a brain can see that.
Nice... erm... excuse? All you've done is put the "retired debater" title that Advent uses. Say, didn't you accuse me of copying her?
Oh my days, he still doesn't get it.
And, as I told you, Count Dooku no more caught Obi-Wan off guard than the previous examples. That Obi-Wan wasn't expecting it means jack. Anakin wasn't expecting to get his arms and legs amputated. Sidious wasn't expecting to get pushed across the room or kicked in the face. Dooku wasn't expecting to get grabbed and his hands cut off. Grievous wasn't expecting to get pushed into a wall. Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto didn't expect to get diced by Sidious. Mace didn't expect to get electrocuted and flung out of a window. Yoda didn't expect to get blasted by Force lightning. Anakin didn't expect to be kicked into a wall.Need I go on?
He's the inferior Force user, regardless, and was defeated by a more skilled opponent.
Dude, this is ridiculous. Your original assertion was that he didn't get caught off guard. I effectively proved that wrong. Irrelevant misdirection, strawman arguments and false analogies will not change that.
Dude, for a short while, nobody could touch me, only Advent, I don't need recognition from others in determining the obvious (even though I did get it, from you, darth sith to name a few). I was beyond pretty much the whole of the forum, and I had one bad day. So what? I don't deny that I'm inconsistent, you, on the other hand, are always at the same level, at my best, I've defeated you numerous times, that's how I know I'm better than you, I'm beating you now, anyone with a brain can see that.
Lmao. If you say so. 😛
Oh my days, he still doesn't get it.
That you did the same thing you accused me of, thus becoming a hypocrite?
Dude, this is ridiculous. Your original assertion was that he didn't get caught off guard. I effectively proved that wrong. Irrelevant misdirection, strawman arguments and false analogies will not change that.
Where did I say that? I said he no more got caught off guard than the others, and that the defeat was just as legitimate and just as final.