Originally posted by kamhal
And revan thaught Bane a power that destroyed an entire building. And he killed several rakatan scouts AND rancor beats... I think they are pretty close in this chapter, i think maybe even revan has the advantage here.
The temple was ancient, as Jollyjim said. Furthermore, if that is Bane's greatest feat... a Force Storm >>>>>>> Bane's destruction of a temple.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI didnt say "forget", i said he did not touch his lightsaber for 13 years
And does that means that he forgot all of his Light Saber training in that period? You surely are an idiot.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDi agree with that, but experience does play a part too
I was talking about "Experience" and not Saber Forms. Dooku was far more experienced then Anakin but his greater experience could not save him in his fight against Anakin, who was far less experienced then him. So my point stays that experience is not everything.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDUm it was never revealed when, it could have been by TESB, so yes, this is pointless for now
Vader would have equalled Sidious at some point. But he never managed to become that powerful, so your point falls.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThen we agree
Good for him. I already stated that Vader's mastery in the force gets much better in OT Period.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLightsnake is a fanboy of sidious, he is respected, well then if what you said was true then you deserve no respect at all because you yourself are a fanboy of revan
Well! Fanboys are not respected very much.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDReally? the "one" only had mentioned that revan summoned his "magic" (force) of lightning to wipe out the entire scouting party, if he had done that, malak would have backed away out from the lightnings paths, you think any body would risk standing in a line of fire? no, If this is true you say prove it. show me a source where it stated that revan diverted his attack from malak and by the way lying fanboys cant save revan
Malak was their fighting against those Rakatan warriors along with Revan, but Revan suddenly decided to use his powerful lightening attack on the enemies to kill them all in an instant and Malak never got hit. So get your facts straight.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDsorry, sidioius mastery > revans, try again. as several sources pointed out
It is.
People try to downplay Sidious' force storm far too often.
Fact: A New Republic capital ship can take gigaton blasts fired at incredible speeds. (Over 100 per second. That was the standard in the Empire's hayday).
Fact: A gigaton blast is 20 times stronger than humanity's strongest nuclear weapon.
Fact: Sidious' force storm ripped through these ships like wet tissue paper.
Fact: Sidious >>>> Ships > Gigaton blasts >>>> Nukes >>>> Revan.
Unless you have any shred of evidence that hints to Revan having so much power, kindly yield.
Where was it confirmed that Vader would one day equal the Emperor? I believe you're referencing his point of view from Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader. Sidious seems to think differently, as he thought that "he [Vader] was covetous of the power Sidious wielded, and believed that, one day, they'd become equals".
Sidious then goes on to essentially disagree.
Originally posted by Gideon
Where was it confirmed that Vader would one day equal the Emperor? I believe you're referencing his point of view from Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader. Sidious seems to think differently, as he thought that "he [Vader] was covetous of the power Sidious wielded, and believed that, one day, they'd become equals".Sidious then goes on to essentially disagree.
no not that page, there was one where it went like this i think
and it was written by the author on page 319 if im not wrong
There would be a day however, when they would become equals
something like this, not from vaders thoughts because there are 2 pages on this.
And sidious did believe that vader would have broken his limitations, he stated that had vader shaken off his doubts, the "incredible" power will awaken in him and that his limitations are mental and not physical
Originally posted by Kadesh
no not that page, there was one where it went like this i thinkand it was written by the author on page 319 if im not wrong
There would be a day however, when they would become equals
something like this, not from vaders thoughts because there are 2 pages on this.
And sidious did believe that vader would have broken his limitations, he stated that had vader shaken off his doubts, the "incredible" power will awaken in him and that his limitations are mental and not physical
That was in his opinion, Kadesh. Each of those final chapters were in the perspective of the individual characters they centered around - from Sidious to Obi-Wan.
Again, Sidious disagreed in the same fashion.
Originally posted by Darth_Frost
anyway... Rev killed all malak threw at him... all the droids all the Dark Jedi, every single thing.... and malak was astonished when he found out his army was killed... because no1 in the order had the power to kill the army... but when the officer told him it was Rev... well.... that about explaned everything to him... plus u guys can't say it's cannon as it ius confermed reven did all those things... and although bane is the direct desc... he thought that Rev held the most knowlage of all the Sith on Korriban, and from that we can assume that he was thought by revan in many ways.... So don't come here saying to me that De Sidiuos can beat him....
Wow fanboyism at its peak, learn to debate man
Originally posted by Gideonyes that is the authors opinion, but too bad we dont get to see "that day"
That was in his opinion, Kadesh. Each of those final chapters were in the perspective of the individual characters they centered around - from Sidious to Obi-Wan.Again, Sidious disagreed in the same fashion.
"Revan is probably the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever in his era, and even perhaps the starting point of events after the Old republic (although at a pace perhaps 3000 years later). Kreia, or Darth Traya is convinced of his strength and power of such extent that she states him as the "Heart of the force". Although she is the only person stating the magnitude of Revan's strength, her insight of both light and dark side remains impartial, and is noted that her visions are amazingly accurate where she predicted events 4000 years later after her death.
As for his powers, he was perhaps the closest stated in the current canon (legacy of the force) as the perfect practitioner of both Jedi/Sith powers, who wasn't truly influenced by the dark or light powers. If the hypothesis of his character to be a lesser evil so he can save the republic from a bigger threat, he would be somewhere in between Jacen Solo and Anakin Skywalker steps of becoming the idealistic Sith user who was not influenced by greed or the one-sided judgment from the light side.
Besides having exceptional powers as a force-user, as well as a master planner, he also proves to be a capable droid builder (similar to Anakin Skywalker), but programming it to be the ultimate assassin and droid translator instead of just a protocol droid.
The holocron of Revan, apparently the starting of events which eventually leads to Darth Bane and then to Darth Sidious, makes Revan a character of extreme importance, even if it wasn't intended to be so."
Just some extra information.
Originally posted by kamhal
"Revan is probably the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever in his era, and even perhaps the starting point of events after the Old republic (although at a pace perhaps 3000 years later). Kreia, or Darth Traya is convinced of his strength and power of such extent that she states him as the "Heart of the force". Although she is the only person stating the magnitude of Revan's strength, her insight of both light and dark side remains impartial, and is noted that her visions are amazingly accurate where she predicted events 4000 years later after her death.
"heart of the force" may be one thing, compared to sidious which has been declared the dark side of the force itself
Originally posted by kamhalWell werent the sith under banes rule were far stronger than the ones in the jedi civil war? The ones like vader, sidious and plagueis?
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The holocron of Revan, apparently the starting of events which eventually leads to Darth Bane and then to Darth Sidious, makes Revan a character of extreme importance, even if it wasn't intended to be so."