Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
He has access to Jedi Archives that have been heavily downsized thanks to Exar's attack on Ossus, then downsized again through constant raiding during the Jedi Civil War, then again when the Jedi all but abandoned the the Jedi Temple when Sion and Nihlius attack the Jedi. I'm HEAVILY sceptical that Sidious had some complete understanding and infinite grasp of the Lightside simply from the Jedi Temple's Archives. And also no Jedi spirit would teach him shit, so he's SOL on that account and even still he couldn't even open the Holocrons he had.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Untrue, the archives were quite complete....Palpatine is stated to have mastered all the powers, likely from the captive holocrons...thatr and slow tortures

And darth frost. sidious > revan accept it.

wow look at the votes fanboyism and its peak

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
"You used one of those magical powers of yours to kill many of my warriors who were also accompanied by Rancor Beasts. Your power extended from sky and slaughtered all of my scouting parties along with the beasts". - The One

Has that been confirmed to have been a Force attack? Likewise, the question you asked me "well why hasn't Palpatine performed [insert feat here] elsewhere?". I ask you the same. If this is a Force based attack and if it is so deadly, why aren't there accounts of him doing it elsewhere? Why not on the Jedi who confronted him? Why not on the Republic fleets he engaged?

Again: A pre-RotJ Sidious wiped out an entire battallion of Stormtroopers with Force lightning. DE Sidious wiped out an entire fleet with a hyperspace wormhole (note: a fleet is much larger than a mere army) and ravaged Coruscant when he kidnapped Luke via the Force.

Revan has not performed any attacks such as this. To assert that he is as powerful as the Emperor - or even extremely close to him may be difficult. I do not deny that Revan has a chance in single combat, but he has not performed any feat as powerful as Sidious's own.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can safely say that POST-KOTOR (who is more powerful then his DLOTS incarnation) is about 70% of DE Sidious in power. Or DE Sidious is about 30% more powerful then POST-KOTOR Revan.

Math doesn't work like that, Honey.

Any way, Frost, gamespot doesn't count for anything, and I seriously think you misquoted "The Ones" little speech.

Originally posted by Gideon
Has that been confirmed to have been a Force attack? Likewise, the question you asked me "well why hasn't Palpatine performed [insert feat here] elsewhere?". I ask you the same. If this is a Force based attack and if it is so deadly, why aren't there accounts of him doing it elsewhere? Why not on the Jedi who confronted him? Why not on the Republic fleets he engaged?

Again: A pre-RotJ Sidious wiped out an entire battallion of Stormtroopers with Force lightning. DE Sidious wiped out an entire fleet with a hyperspace wormhole (note: a fleet is much larger than a mere army) and ravaged Coruscant when he kidnapped Luke via the Force.

Revan has not performed any attacks such as this. To assert that he is as powerful as the Emperor - or even extremely close to him may be difficult. I do not deny that Revan has a chance in single combat, but he has not performed any feat as powerful as Sidious's own.

Exactly, and how is revan going to beat a sith lord who has 90 years of experience and who could move faster than the eye can see

lightsnake did you even bother to vote?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I can safely say that POST-KOTOR (who is more powerful then his DLOTS incarnation) is about 70% of DE Sidious in power. Or DE Sidious is about 30% more powerful then POST-KOTOR Revan.

,It doesnt work that way son revan is not even 70% of sidious.

Revan mastered the secret art of blowing up solar systems...your point? The red dot on his forehead proves it.

lol, that was just a joke

Originally posted by Kadesh
Well then did you know vader is 80% of sidious? That the novel RODV stated that there may be a day where vader would become as powerful as sidious?

,[B]It doesnt work that way son revan is not even 70% of sidious. [/B]

And you are referring to ROTS Sidious who is not as powerful as his DE Incarnation.

So better think before you post! Son.

Originally posted by Gideon
Has that been confirmed to have been a Force attack? Likewise, the question you asked me "well why hasn't Palpatine performed [insert feat here] elsewhere?". I ask you the same. If this is a Force based attack and if it is so deadly, why aren't there accounts of him doing it elsewhere? Why not on the Jedi who confronted him? Why not on the Republic fleets he engaged?

Again: A pre-RotJ Sidious wiped out an entire battallion of Stormtroopers with Force lightning. DE Sidious wiped out an entire fleet with a hyperspace wormhole (note: a fleet is much larger than a mere army) and ravaged Coruscant when he kidnapped Luke via the Force.

Because Revan's attack not only caused instant death to many Rakatan warriors but their RANCOR Beasts also got killed. And we surely know that how much deadly are Rancor beasts.

And The One used to term "Force Powers" as "Magical Powers". (as a hint for you)

Originally posted by Kadesh
Exactly, and how is revan going to beat a sith lord who has 90 years of experience and who could move faster than the eye can see

lightsnake did you even bother to vote?

Revan's excellent precognition ability allows him to accurately predict and track the offensive moves of his opponents. And being faster then light is not going to help Sidious in case of Revan because we all know that what happened to that "faster then light" Sidous against Mace Windu.

And Anakin defeated Count Dooku who was far more experienced then Anakin, so experience is not everything.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your ignorance regarding Revan never ends, right?

Revan's excellent precognition ability allows him to accurately predict and track the offensive moves of his opponents. And being faster then light is not going to help Sidious in case of Revan because we all know that what happened to that "faster then light" Sidous against Mace Windu.

And Anakin defeated Count Dooku who was far more experienced then Anakin, so experience is not everything.

1. wrong

2. um sidious has not touched a lightsaber in thirteen years and he did well regardless killing 3 masters swiftly and beating the shit out of yoda. And so? sidious can do the same to revan because he knows everything

3. lets not forget dooku got caught off guard and he underestimated anakin

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hey smart one! Anakin's potential was stated to be reduced to 80% of that of Sidious (after suffering those horrible injuries) and this does not means that he was close to Sidious in actual mastery of the force in ROTS.

And you are referring to ROTS Sidious who is not as powerful as his DE Incarnation.

So better think before you post! Son.

um sources stated that vaders mastery of the force were tremendous and that RODV stated he would equal sidious one day. learn to read

And as i said, DE sidiouis is stronger because of more knowledge of the force, So vader is still 80% even of DE sidious

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hey idiot! that was actually a "Force Attack" by Darth Revan and it surely eclipses that Sidious's attack on Clone Troopers.

Because Revan's attack not only caused instant death to many Rakatan warriors but their [B]RANCOR Beasts also got killed. And we surely know that how much deadly are Rancor beasts.

And The One used to term "Force Powers" as "Magical Powers". (as a hint for you) [/B]

And you seem to forget that sidious could divert his lightning from hitting his own men that were WITH THE TROOPERS. That proves his mastery is far greater than revan in lightning

Lets also not forget that by DE sidious had become godlike with his saber skills and being far more agile that his ROTS counterpart, That already in TPM he could move faster than the eye can see. imagine what he would be in DE especially when leia described the fight between luke and palpatine that even she could not see palpatine at all and that there was a 6 year span from his first death that he had alot of time to practise and buff up his skills.

The visual guide confirms this under "A new face of evil"
that palpatine studied all sorts of holocrons to become far more powerful.
And palpatine would never let his skills get rusty. He did not touch his lightsaber in 13 years because he became chancellor, And being a chancellor is busy is he not? Still he = mace in saber combat and stalemate with yoda.

Originally posted by Kadesh
1. wrong

2. um sidious has not touched a lightsaber in thirteen years and he did well regardless killing 3 masters swiftly and beating the shit out of yoda. And so? sidious can do the same to revan because he knows everything

3. lets not forget dooku got caught off guard and he underestimated anakin

2. Sidious secretly taught Darth Maul in Saber arts and that shows that Sidious was not out of touch in Saber Combat. And he never beats the shit out of Yoda. His fight with Yoda resulted in a stalemate situation but Yoda decided to retreat because it was already too late. And I believe that Sidious can counter Revan like he countered Yoda and Revan might also possibly retreat from the fight as well like Yoda did. My main view in this fight is already clear but you fail to note that.

3. I know that Dooku under-estimated Anakin but it does not changes the fact that Dooku was far more experienced then Anakin and he could use his vast experience to his advantage by making smart decisions in the fight to out-class Anakin but he never managed to did that and this shows that experience alone does not matters in the fight.

Originally posted by Kadesh
um sources stated that vaders mastery of the force were tremendous and that RODV stated he would equal sidious one day. learn to read

And as i said, DE sidiouis is stronger because of more knowledge of the force, So vader is still 80% even of DE sidious

Vader's mastery of force improves a lot in his OT period actually. In ROTS movie, his mastery of force was just like that of Obi-Wan and demonstrated only two force moves: 1) Force Push and 2) Force Choke.

And when did it was mentioned that Vader is 80% to that of DE Sidious? Your tall claims regarding Vader will only make you look like a Vader fanboy actually.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And you seem to forget that sidious could divert his lightning from hitting his own men that were WITH THE TROOPERS. That proves his mastery is far greater than revan in lightning

By you idiotic logic, Revan actually does not knows how to control his powers. This alone shows your massive ignorance regarding Revan.

Revan is black, so I don't really see hwo he could lose to SIdeous.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Untrue, the archives were quite complete....Palpatine is stated to have mastered all the powers, likely from the captive holocrons...thatr and slow tortures

A huh, I fail to see anyway how the Jedi Archives could be complete in any way considering the TREMENDOUS amount of damage three and possibly four successive wars have done to the Jedi Order. During the time of Exar Kun's defeat on Yavin the Jedi numbered in the thousands, and by the end of KOTOR 2 there were less then 100 Jedi even in the galaxy, the most prominent being Jedi Exile and Bastila. Also considering the Jedi had abandoned the Coruscant temple, and the Dantooine temple archives have been looted, and Exar's destruction of the Jedi Library on Ossus, you can't seriously tell me the the archives were complete...

And considering the quote that gets thrown around so much, it also has "It is believed" before it and its logically impossible for him to have knowledge of EVERY Jedi power, considering

A. He couldn't even open the one holocron we are shown him having, I can't see ANY Jedi holocrons opening for him.

B. NO Jedi spirit would teach him ANYTHING

C. Honestly how many powerful Jedi were left in the galaxy that could teach him anything he didn't already know. He killed the best of the best already.

Its impossible.

Has that been confirmed to have been a Force attack? Likewise, the question you asked me "well why hasn't Palpatine performed [insert feat here] elsewhere?". I ask you the same. If this is a Force based attack and if it is so deadly, why aren't there accounts of him doing it elsewhere? Why not on the Jedi who confronted him? Why not on the Republic fleets he engaged?

I didn't say that don't put quotation marks around it if I didn't say it. And does it matter? He must do the feat in abundance for it ti be acceptable, THe Rataka referred to force powers as "magic" and said Revan called it the force. They do the same when The One says Revan used his magic to rip their language from their heads and install basic, note he did this to every single one of them on the planet.

Revan has not performed any attacks such as this. To assert that he is as powerful as the Emperor - or even extremely close to him may be difficult. I do not deny that Revan has a chance in single combat, but he has not performed any feat as powerful as Sidious's own.

Not quite, considering Revan himself is stronger then a PLANET so saturated in Dark Side energy that its affects could be felt from space, so powerful that it broke and corrupted Kreia, Since we know that Revan has a Battle Precognition on a higher level then the most powerful Echani generals who could see months in the future, meaning he could effectively combat Sidious's speed in a straight duel I'd give an edge to Revan however in the force as I've said Sidious is stronger, and would probably overall win more often then not its just not the utter WTFpwnage that certain users want you to believe coughlightsnakecough 😛

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lets also not forget that by DE sidious had become godlike with his saber skills and being far more agile that his ROTS counterpart, That already in TPM he could move faster than the eye can see. imagine what he would be in DE especially when leia described the fight between luke and palpatine that even she could not see palpatine at all and that there was a 6 year span from his first death that he had alot of time to practise and buff up his skills.

He's become god like?! Since when? I saw the same Sidious in a different body beat 6 years of training Luke then lose to Luke with Liea and Anakin's help. I fail to see how being in a different body thats constantly dieing helps his saber skills. And any proof he practiced other then your bull shit speculation. I thought not. And really why would Palpy practice? Thats what all his stupid DJ's were for to do the work for him. And I've already owned the "OMG LIEA can't seem them, they are teh bestest!!!"

Stop creaming your pants over force speed.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
A huh, I fail to see anyway how the Jedi Archives could be complete in any way considering the TREMENDOUS amount of damage three and possibly four successive wars have done to the Jedi Order. During the time of Exar Kun's defeat on Yavin the Jedi numbered in the thousands, and by the end of KOTOR 2 there were less then 100 Jedi even in the galaxy, the most prominent being Jedi Exile and Bastila. Also considering the Jedi had abandoned the Coruscant temple, and the Dantooine temple archives have been looted, and Exar's destruction of the Jedi Library on Ossus, you can't seriously tell me the the archives were complete...

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Not quite, considering Revan himself is stronger then a PLANET so saturated in Dark Side energy that its affects could be felt from space, so powerful that it broke and corrupted Kreia, Since we know that Revan has a Battle Precognition on a higher level then the most powerful Echani generals who could see months in the future, meaning he could effectively combat Sidious's speed in a straight duel I'd give an edge to Revan however in the force as I've said Sidious is stronger, and would probably overall win more often then not its just not the utter WTFpwnage that certain users want you to believe coughlightsnakecough 😛 [/QUOTE]
By DE, it is a rather clear victory, though

ZOMG Revan can do many great things. !!!111

He can cause teh solar systems to collide. He can manipulate matter into anti matter. He can create stars and blackholes without even a trace of effort.

By yawning, Revan can "suck" all the oxygen and gas in the atmosphere, creating a momentary vaccum.

His knowledge in sciences, politics, engineer and whatnot is so great, that people consider him omniscient.

He has mastered teh every single form of lightsaber dueling and martial arts to the highest degree in seconds.

He is able to make himself invincible by summoning up the force around him.

And guess what bitches?

He's black. 😛

Coming back to seriousness. Lightsnake, AC wasn't implying that Revan wins, just that the battle will be fierce and Sidious would know that he was in a fight.

Well, don't ask me, but they were. I guess a lot of Jedi really put their heart into restoration efforts

Give me a statement that definitively says that the Archives were restored to their full capacity on the level of that of the Ossus Library.

It also said he had mastered every force and level of the force....Palpatine's an anomaly, recall

How can he when particular powers such as The Lightside Wall are reserved for LS users only, its IMPOSSIBLE for him to do this, The Dark Side I could and do believe but the light, hell no. He may have been adept, if he had truly mastered EVERYTHING he would be invincible, would have no need for Imperial Agents, would have shitted on Luke, Liea and baby Anakin at the same time, would have had a defense for anything the Skywalker Trio could have thrown at him, he would have simply destroyed Bran(sp) who tried to contain him and force himself into baby Anakin. But he didn't.

Oh, he got it open. . The databank even said he 'unlocked the secrets of the Force from a captured Jedi holocron'

Then why did he say in DE that he couldn't open it and it wouldn't respond to him. Maybe anther holocron but not the Baas one.

Unless he forced them

Force them whats he gonna do kill them? 🙄

He tortured a lot out of one

That being?

Just improbable

Very, very, very, improbable.

By DE, it is a rather clear victory, though

In the force yes, in a straight duel not quite.