Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Give me a statement that definitively says that the Archives were restored to their full capacity on the level of that of the Ossus Library.

Very, very, very, improbable.

In the force yes, in a straight duel not quite.

My god, this thread is a testament to how much BS is being spewed around here as of late.

Revan: Most powerful at the time of his life in the galaxy, but what does that mean? It means absolutely nothing in context. Especially when it comes to saber skills. There is ZERO proof of how "good" Revan was with the lightaber. He was the best of his age, but again, what does that mean in context? Nothing at all, he beat Malak...whoope-de-doo. Tell me, how good was Malak with a lightsaber? He could be as "good" as Kit Fisto, or he could be as good as Dooku. Unfortunately there is ZERO proof of how good he was in comparison to anyone else who has noted saber skills like Mace, or Yoda or Anakin. So its possible that Revan beat someone who was as good with a saber as Fisto. If thats the case then Revan beating Malak doesn't amount to anything spectacular. Revan was most definitely powerful in the force however as this has been moderately proven to be true.

Sidious: Documented over and over again as THE most powerful Sith Lord of all time. He knows everything, literally every force power or technique. He posses the power to kill entire platoon's of troops with basically a single movement of his wrist. (force lightning) He posses power to destroy entire fleets of ships. Revan can do nothing remotely close to this. Not to mention he has actual documented saber skills at the highest degree.

This thread is stupid, thats all there is to it. Revan will give Sidious a decent fight at the start when Sidious isn't really trying (because Sidious is so cocky) But once Sidious gets serious, Revan is curb-stomped. Revan's got his "force storm" (which is pitiful in comparison to Sidious's REAL force storm) And then he's got no real documented saber skills. I had this argument with Darth Sexy about Revan's apparent (or unapparent) saber prodigy status and after about 3 days worth of posts he could provide me with no actual proof of anything about Revan's saber skills whatsoever other then speculation and assumption.

Lets face the facts here people, Revan was good for his time, but that doesn't mean jack shit of you cant put any of it into context. The fact is that Revan doesn't stand a chance against Sidious, and thats all there is to it.

What does he need prodigal level saber skills when he has the ability to see the move your gonna do before you even know you'll do it.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
What does he need prodigal level saber skills when he has the ability to see the move your gonna do before you even know you'll do it.

So your saying its impossible to for Revan to lose to anyone ever? LMAO.

You can "know" what someone is going to do and just not be good enough to stop them, or fast enough to stop them.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
My god, this thread is a testament to how much BS is being spewed around here as of late.

Revan: Most powerful at the time of his life in the galaxy, but what does that mean? It means absolutely nothing in context. Especially when it comes to saber skills. There is ZERO proof of how "good" Revan was with the lightaber. He was the best of his age, but again, what does that mean in context? Nothing at all, he beat Malak...whoope-de-doo. Tell me, how good was Malak with a lightsaber? He could be as "good" as Kit Fisto, or he could be as good as Dooku. Unfortunately there is ZERO proof of how good he was in comparison to anyone else who has noted saber skills like Mace, or Yoda or Anakin. So its possible that Revan beat someone who was as good with a saber as Fisto. If thats the case then Revan beating Malak doesn't amount to anything spectacular. Revan was most definitely powerful in the force however as this has been moderately proven to be true.

Sidious: Documented over and over again as THE most powerful Sith Lord of all time. He knows everything, literally every force power or technique. He posses the power to kill entire platoon's of troops with basically a single movement of his wrist. (force lightning) He posses power to destroy entire fleets of ships. Revan can do nothing remotely close to this. Not to mention he has actual documented saber skills at the highest degree.

This thread is stupid, thats all there is to it. Revan will give Sidious a decent fight at the start when Sidious isn't really trying (because Sidious is so cocky) But once Sidious gets serious, Revan is curb-stomped. Revan's got his "force storm" (which is pitiful in comparison to Sidious's REAL force storm) And then he's got no real documented saber skills. I had this argument with Darth Sexy about Revan's apparent (or unapparent) saber prodigy status and after about 3 days worth of posts he could provide me with no actual proof of anything about Revan's saber skills whatsoever other then speculation and assumption.

Lets face the facts here people, Revan was good for his time, but that doesn't mean jack shit of you cant put any of it into context. The fact is that Revan doesn't stand a chance against Sidious, and thats all there is to it.

And Revan has defeated some other powerful foes including: A) Mandalore - The Ultimate and B) Yusanis.

And the fact that he managed to slaughter an entire army of Sith on Star Forge. Does this not show his power?

And the fact that Bane became very powerful after getting training from Revan's holocron and according to his opinion, Revan's knowledge of DS powers surpassed the entirety of Sith Knowledge found in Korriban World?

And DE Sidious's "Force Storm" is the only power known that is not rivalled by Revan in sheer magnitude.

Also, DE Sidious was never invincible or god-like. He got defeated by Luke and Leia and that shows his weaknesses.

And the fact that DE-Sidious could not curt-stomp DE Luke (who is not even close to his LOTF incarnation) and you say that he can do that to Revan. WOW! a new level of BS by an another Sidious lover.

And now Malak is as good as Kit Fisto. Oh! Please! 🙄

My advice: Try to read the entire thread properly and then come up with constructive arguements. Because I believe that many points have been already answered.

Ok, guys, i think some ref is need here. Why? Because, and sorry if i am offending anyone (this is not my intention), but i ca nsee 2 extremes here: one that is clearly underestimating Revan and maybe overestimating sidious; other faction is, i think, overestimating Revan and underastimating Sidious.

Why? For example, statements like "Sidious hadn't touch a lightsaber for 13 years" are stupid, because if we have knowledge from sidious asking other ancient siths for knowledge, why couldn't he train wit his lightsaber? In this theory, them sidious coudln't have been using a lightsaber.

However, i also think that the fact that Sidious was a movie character and in several sources stated as the "greatest stih ever" are also to be taken in consideration. By the way, if i am not wrong Revan was described as a "redeem jedi master" by someone, i don't remember by who, so i think that raven actually HAS more lightside knowledge then sidious. By the way, i think stupid people think that sidious was MUCH weaker then his full power in ROTS since he was just around 60 years. I mean, Dooku was 80, lol. And look this example, windu was in his zenith of power in ROTS, i think no one disagrees. Yet, guess what, he was 53 years old! So, i don't think Sidious was THAT weak, maybe he was not at full power, but he was much probably close. Also, the fact that his lightsaber was faster then the eye could see to Leia, this already happened with Windu in ROTS.

Anyway, even with all this, i think the "greatest sith ever" statements should have been taken in consideration, so, and this is my opinion, Revan's power was probably, what, 90% Sidious's power (just a estimation), and with this, i think that Sidious would fight Revan as he fought Yoda, and in the end he would probably win, yet i guess some more scars would be added to his collection, lol.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then why make threads like this if Revan's information is not even complete yet?

(1) And Revan has defeated some other powerful foes including: A) [B]Mandalore - The Ultimate and B) Yusanis.

(2) And the fact that he managed to slaughter an entire army of Sith on Star Forge. Does this not show his power?

(3) And the fact that Bane became very powerful after getting training from Revan's holocron and according to his opinion, Revan's knowledge of DS powers surpassed the entirety of Sith Knowledge found in Korriban World?

(4) And DE Sidious's "Force Storm" is the only power known that is not rivalled by Revan in sheer magnitude.

(5) Also, DE Sidious was never invincible or god-like. He got defeated by Luke and Leia and that shows his weaknesses.

(6) And the fact that DE-Sidious could not curt-stomp DE Luke (who is not even close to his LOTF incarnation) and you say that he can do that to Revan. WOW! a new level of BS by an another Sidious lover.

(7) My advice: Try to read the thread properly and then come up with constructive arguements. [/B]

I've numbered your points and I'll respond to them in that order.

1. Who cares, I was referring to saber skill.

2. This is gameplay, its not in a cutscene and therefore not canon.

3. I was not disputing Revans force power. Though he still isn't as powerful as Sidious. But again this has nothing to do with Saber skill.

4. I think thats pure BS, what kind of "magnitude" are you talking about here? Physical destruction or.... what? Because Darth Nihilus force drain power that kills everything on planets is far larger in magnitude.

5. You mean Luke, Leia and her unborn child. It took the potential force power of three people to defeat Sidious. Not to mention the potential of these three people combined would be astronomical since Luke posses the same potential as Anakin, and Leia would have close to that as well.

6. DE Luke is better then Revan with a lightsaber, and Luke didn't and couldn't beat Sidious alone, it took three people to do it.

7. My advice: Read what I said before responding, because I never disputed Revan's force power. I disputed his saber skills.

Go read this thread, once you do then come back here and then we'll talk.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426640&perpage=20&highlight=userid%3A13081&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by kamhal
Anyway, even with all this, i think the "greatest sith ever" statements should have been taken in consideration, so, and this is my opinion, Revan's power was probably, what, 90% Sidious's power (just a estimation), and with this, i think that Sidious would fight Revan as he fought Yoda, and in the end he would probably win, yet i guess some more scars would be added to his collection, lol.

This is the best comment I have read in this thread. You surely are an interesting thinker! kamhal! 😄

Anyways! most of your POST makes sense but you have to note that most of us believe that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord and he will win in this fight, but after a hard battle.

But most of the criticism comes from Sidious lovers here.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
So your saying its impossible to for Revan to lose to anyone ever? LMAO.

You can "know" what someone is going to do and just not be good enough to stop them, or fast enough to stop them.

No, Im not, but considering he has that ability and I could prove Revan to be a saber prodigy or at least a master of certain forms but I'd have to first find my quote from Mr. Chee on Gameplay.

And how is Malak unquantified? He is described by the Databank as nearly invincible when being infused with the Star Forge, this power heightening his abilities in every way, and as we know when being overblown with such raw power your actual skill matters little and you become better by just "letting" the force guide you

Example/ Luke has shown in DE, where he was able to take on Sidious with what a couple months of actual training then 9 years of informal training in the name of battles against Imperial Agents, and all of a sudden this guy with no actual style and as it seems no real lightsaber training is able to go toe to toe with Sidious because of his natural skill and being over blown with Lightside power and Malak was doing the same only he had actual training, experience, and was being beefed up by the Star Forge.

Beating Malak multiple times in that state is proof enough of his skill, and don't give me the "well it was a force fight" thats highly unlikely since the duel takes place with them three feet from each other lightsabers drawn, and its described as "long and vicious" and "epic" I for one have NEVER seen a LONG lightsaber duel in star wars, they usually last a minute tops then they switch to lightsabers.

5. You mean Luke, Leia and her unborn child. It took the potential force power of three people to defeat Sidious. Not to mention the potential of these three people combined would be astronomical since Luke posses the same potential as Anakin, and Leia would have close to that as well. - By Anomoly

No it didn't take their potential, where do people get this shit from? It took Liea using Battle Meditation for Luke to WTFpwn Sidious, THEN it took Luke and Liea and Baby Solo joining THEIR power (how the fyck do you fight with potential) to stop Sidious FORCE STORM that HE couldn't control.

Get it right.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
1. Who cares, I was referring to saber skill.

Only his forms are unknown yet. But his concept arts show us that he mastered "Jar Kai" dueling. And this does not means that his position as being a master duelist is questioned.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
2. This is gameplay, its not in a cutscene and therefore not canon.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
3. I was not disputing Revans force power. Though he still isn't as powerful as Sidious. But again this has nothing to do with Saber skill.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
4. I think thats pure BS, what kind of "magnitude" are you talking about here? Physical destruction or.... what? Because Darth Nihilus force drain power that kills everything on planets is far larger in magnitude.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
5. You mean Luke, Leia and her unborn child. It took the potential force power of three people to defeat Sidious. Not to mention the potential of these three people combined would be astronomical since Luke posses the same potential as Anakin, and Leia would have close to that as well.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
6. DE Luke is better then Revan with a lightsaber, and Luke didn't and couldn't beat Sidious alone, it took three people to do it.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
7. My advice: Read what I said before responding, because I never disputed Revan's force power. I disputed his saber skills.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Go read this thread, once you do then come back here and then we'll talk.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426640&perpage=20&highlight=userid%3A13081&pagenumber=1

And let me make this clear I do NOT by any means think Revan will win its just it WILL NOT be the WTFpwnage you make it out to be, feat wars are irrelevant ,Revan having such an astronomical force connection that puts him on par with Yoda and Mace and his plethora of knowledge of BOTH sides of the force he would put up a tough fight.

And I just skimmed your first post and again Sidious DOES NOT know ever single force power, namely the Jedi created ones, I find it utterly ridicules that people could say this when, YODA the supreme avatar of light didn't even know every single bit of Lightside knowledge and even had difficulty delving into the secrets in the great holocron, now there is no way in HELL Sidious could do it if Yoda couldn't especially him being a you know Sith and all...And being the most powerful Sith Lord is irrelevant, since this is Jedi Revan.

Other thing: when was it stated that luke had the same force potential as anakin? Because anakin's potential, stated by lucas, is 2x times sidious' potential

It was in a rolling stones interview, but the words are not directly pointing out that Luke = Anakin, it's just some peoples point of view!

Yes, because seriously, i don't think luke has the same potential as anakin. Maybe after him, his potential was the greatest ever, but Anakin is the choosen one, created by the force. Luke wasn't.

don't go off topic guys...

anyway... Rev killed all malak threw at him... all the droids all the Dark Jedi, every single thing.... and malak was astonished when he found out his army was killed... because no1 in the order had the power to kill the army... but when the officer told him it was Rev... well.... that about explaned everything to him... plus u guys can't say it's cannon as it ius confermed reven did all those things... and although bane is the direct desc... he thought that Rev held the most knowlage of all the Sith on Korriban, and from that we can assume that he was thought by revan in many ways.... So don't come here saying to me that De Sidiuos can beat him....

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

2. Sidious secretly taught Darth Maul in Saber arts and that shows that Sidious was not out of touch in Saber Combat. And he never beats the shit out of Yoda. His fight with Yoda resulted in a stalemate situation but Yoda decided to retreat because it was already too late. And I believe that Sidious can counter Revan like he countered Yoda and Revan might also possibly retreat from the fight as well like Yoda did. My main view in this fight is already clear but you fail to note that.

Um are you an idiot? i said between TPM AND ROTS
he did not touch a saber. learn to read

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

3. I know that Dooku under-estimated Anakin but it does not changes the fact that Dooku was far more experienced then Anakin and he could use his vast experience to his advantage by making smart decisions in the fight to out-class Anakin but he never managed to did that and this shows that experience alone does not matters in the fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Vader never managed to equal Sidious or did he? You should stop using "predictions" regarding Vader as a source of argument because it will not help you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Vader's mastery of force improves a lot in his OT period actually. In ROTS movie, his mastery of force was just like that of Obi-Wan and demonstrated only two force moves: 1) Force Push and 2) Force Choke.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And when did it was mentioned that Vader is 80% to that of [B]DE Sidious? Your tall claims regarding Vader will only make you look like a Vader fanboy actually.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And you failed to note that [B]Malak was also with Revan and he never got hit by his devastating "Force Lightening Storm" and only his enemies got killed. [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

By you idiotic logic, Revan actually does not knows how to control his powers. This alone shows your massive ignorance regarding Revan.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And let me make this clear I do NOT by any means think Revan will win its just it WILL NOT be the WTFpwnage you make it out to be, feat wars are irrelevant ,Revan having such an astronomical force connection that puts him on par with Yoda and Mace and his plethora of knowledge of BOTH sides of the force he would put up a tough fight.

And I just skimmed your first post and again Sidious DOES NOT know ever single force power, namely the Jedi created ones, I find it utterly ridicules that people could say this when, YODA the supreme avatar of light didn't even know every single bit of Lightside knowledge and even had difficulty delving into the secrets in the great holocron, now there is no way in HELL Sidious could do it if Yoda couldn't especially him being a you know Sith and all...And being the most powerful Sith Lord is irrelevant, since this is Jedi Revan.

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
anyway... Rev killed all malak threw at him... all the droids all the Dark Jedi, every single thing.... and malak was astonished when he found out his army was killed... because no1 in the order had the power to kill the army... but when the officer told him it was Rev... well.... that about explaned everything to him... plus u guys can't say it's cannon as it ius confermed reven did all those things... and although bane is the direct desc... he thought that Rev held the most knowlage of all the Sith on Korriban, and from that we can assume that he was thought by revan in many ways.... So don't come here saying to me that De Sidiuos can beat him....

Oh, he killed all that, BIG DEAL. Luke tore his way through an army of Yuuzhan Vong and Palpatine destroyed an ENTIRE FLEET.
Oh, it's NOT Canon Revan did that on his own.

And LEARN WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Bane is NOT a direct descendant. He started his OWN order from the ashes of the old. And Palpatine learned EVERYTHING about the Dark Side, more than Revan could dream. Bane didn't know 'Revan had the most knowledge of the Dark Side.' And he wasn't taught by Revan either...he got Revan's holocron and later got at least one other

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um are you an idiot? i said between TPM AND ROTS
he did not touch a saber. learn to read

Originally posted by Kadesh
Does not change the fact that djem so > makashi which contributes to dookus defeat and that makashi cannot and will not contend with djem so

Originally posted by Kadesh
Are you a fool? read rodv and it states that vader would have equalled sidious at some point of time

Originally posted by Kadesh
But by the OT, he is incredible, as several sources stated that he is and being able to tear tanks apart on the battlefield

Originally posted by Kadesh
Nothing wrong admitting im a fanboy of vader indeed, now then you know?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um malak was next to revan, not with his enemies as the royal guards were in palpatines office

Originally posted by Kadesh
Learn to read my post, i said that revens mastery is not as great as sidious in lightning