Ultimate Nullifier vs. Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm The IG would amp the wielders awareness and physical attributes and they'd take out the UN user before they could register what was going on.

And yet a master of the IG like Thanos couldn't even detect Maelstrom sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. The self same Maelstrom that went toe to toe vs Thanos with the IG in a Quasar issue. The same Maelstrom that in his official Marvel Universe bio stated that he had amassed more power than the IG. The same Maelstrom that feared the UN so much he encased it in an impenetrable force field so that none may use it.

Fact is he had no fear of Thanos + IG, he was giggling in his face. Yet he sought out and neutralized the UN to make sure it wouldn't be used against him.

Originally posted by zopzop
And yet a master of the IG like Thanos couldn't even detect Maelstrom sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. The self same Maelstrom that went toe to toe vs Thanos with the IG in a Quasar issue. The same Maelstrom that in his official Marvel Universe bio stated that he had amassed more power than the IG. The same Maelstrom that feared the UN so much he encased it in an impenetrable force field so that none may use it.

Fact is he had no fear of Thanos + IG, he was giggling in his face. Yet he sought out and neutralized the UN to make sure it wouldn't be used against him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, that's the rational given IN THE COMIC, you posting dur smilies and the like doesn't change that everything i've said has been correct. You are using a bad form of fallacy in your arguments here.

Fact: CCUs have feats on the level of the vaunted fully released UN.
Fact: CCUs can also defeat the UN if the two are used against each other.
Fact: IG is EMPIRICALLY STRONGER than a CCU, regardless of who is using it.

Your stupid appeal to ridicule fallacies don't change the fact that a CCU is more than capable of beating the UN in all categories.

It takes 5 CCUs hours upon hours to merge a shadowy version onto a single universe. That isn't fallacy, that's fact.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol. CCUs have power over the multiverse as well, seen ON PANEL. So if you ignore the Magus showing and focus only on feat comparison, the UN will STILL come up short because five CCUs certainly have more power than the UN. Magus did not use them directly because using the CCUs too much causes insanity, and this was stated in the comic itself so you calling it "stupid" changes nothing.

Seriously, stop trying to project other artfiacts' power and other beings' power onto the IG.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You can repeat the same thing I'm not repeating and call it an argument. However, it just further proves my point. Your fatal flaw was exposed and not addressed.

Sorry sir, but you've mistaken me for someone who speaks retard.

Originally posted by zopzop
And yet a master of the IG like Thanos couldn't even detect Maelstrom sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. The self same Maelstrom that went toe to toe vs Thanos with the IG in a Quasar issue. The same Maelstrom that in his official Marvel Universe bio stated that he had amassed more power than the IG. The same Maelstrom that feared the UN so much he encased it in an impenetrable force field so that none may use it.

Fact is he had no fear of Thanos + IG, he was giggling in his face. Yet he sought out and neutralized the UN to make sure it wouldn't be used against him.

Maelstrom had no feats to back up his unsupported claims about wielding more power than the IG, so it would be somewhat foolish to take his statement as fact. 😬

And correct me if im wrong but Maelstrom was as stated in Quasar #21 (i can quite easily provide scans) the new "Anomaly" which explains why Thanos wasnt able to detect him. Because he embodies all that is anomalous. He was perhaps the one being in 616 at the time who could avoid Thanos' gaze, who could avoid being destroyed by a blast because he is an anomaly. 🙂

IG wins 😉

Originally posted by King Kandy
Maelstrom was the anomaly. Things don't react to him the way they usually would, that's one of his powers.

👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A CCU can't instantly destroy and recreate the Marvel Multiverse. Don't be dumb.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It takes 5 CCUs hours upon hours to merge a shadowy version onto a single universe.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Don't be dumb. Don't even try to conflate Beyonder with a CCU.

Originally posted by zopzop
And yet a master of the IG like Thanos couldn't even detect Maelstrom sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. The self same Maelstrom that went toe to toe vs Thanos with the IG in a Quasar issue. The same Maelstrom that in his official Marvel Universe bio stated that he had amassed more power than the IG. The same Maelstrom that feared the UN so much he encased it in an impenetrable force field so that none may use it.

Fact is he had no fear of Thanos + IG, he was giggling in his face. Yet he sought out and neutralized the UN to make sure it wouldn't be used against him.

He NEVER went toe to toe with thanos... he tanked ONE blast and that concerned Thanos. Nothing more. He did NOTHING to thanos in the least. The WRITER made things cyrstal clear even for the slowest of people on here I thought...

"Quasar learns that the word ULTIMATE has little meaning in this battle"
"With but a thought Magus turns the Universe most destructive weapon upon its user"

Honestly, could it be made anymore clear who wins this battle?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
People are so stubborn here. I dont understand why this thread has gone on for so long when the answer is so plain to see.

An IG wielder will just about always win in battle over a UN user.

Without a doubt the UN has more destructive power. However it is a one trick pony, a handheld energy weapon. It doesn't empower the wielders personal abilities at all and thats why the IG wielder would almost always win against a UN wielder in a fair contest.

If u have 2 people with equal physical and mental abilities and equip one with the IG and one with the UN, the UN user would get stomped. The IG would amp the wielders awareness and physical attributes and they'd take out the UN user before they could register what was going on.

Originally posted by rotiart
It didnt own anything. It just redirected it

Originally posted by King Kandy
A fragment of one CCU was going to do it. Thinking five would be unable to is lunacy.

While being operated by machines. While being directly resisted.

5 CCUs would have taken hours upon hours to merge a shadowy version onto a single universe. Guess those machines and that resistance must have been worth 5 mulitverses worth of power to slow down 5 CCUs that much.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, now you're ignoring the context and using the same logic you've called "stupid" so many times; acting like what was shown in Infinity War was the limit of the CCUs power, when since then they have shown to be far more than multiversal.

I never even mentioned Beyonder in my arguments. But you're right, that would be foolish. A single CCU is FAR stronger than Beyonder.

How did the single topic of IG vs UN make so many posters this mentally challenged? Let's just think about this:

616 Eternity/Infinity >>> Incomplete IG >>> 5 CCUs >>> Many Multiverses >>> UN >>> Multi-Eternity.

616 Eternity/Infinity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Multi-Eternity?

This is the conclusion that you've drawn from your air-tight comparisons?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He NEVER went toe to toe with thanos... he tanked ONE blast and that concerned Thanos. Nothing more. He did NOTHING to thanos in the least. The WRITER made things cyrstal clear even for the slowest of people on here I thought...

Maelstrom was sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. Do you think that was a "love blast" Thanos hit Maelstrom with after Maelstrom told him to his face he doesn't fear him or the Gauntlet?

WORSE still is after the blast Maelstrom continued to smack talk Thanos and Thanos was blissfully unaware of Maelstrom's presence!

"Quasar learns that the word ULTIMATE has little meaning in this battle"
"With but a thought Magus turns the Universe most destructive weapon upon its user"

Honestly, could it be made anymore clear who wins this battle?

Yes, Quasar. A man with NO experience with the Nullifier or how it functions. He produced a marble sized ball with it, while Reed undid creation with it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Job well done leaving out the context of that snipped statement. But in case you did not understand the context: Magus pwning a miniscule manifestation of the UN's power, i.e., a marble-sized nullification sphere is as reliable of a feat as Iron Man pwning a miniscule manifestation of the IG's power, i.e., Star Gem. Especially if you ignore that the artifacts' power was not fully revealed in either instance until a later storyline.

Also fixed: Yes. Magus actually sought out and used the 5 CCUs and limited their uber-Multiversalpwnerz abilities to such a far degree that even 5 full CCUs could not merge a shadowy version onto a single universe without hours' worth of time. Yes. That doesn't sound dumb at all. Besides, UN has always varied dramatically in power depending on the user. Why, when Quasar used it, he shot a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere. And when Reed used it, he shot an instantaneous all-encompassing blast that destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse. I totally haven't made this point before. And you guys totally haven't ended up makin the same arguments accidentally when I poke at your rationale.

Except everything he said was true.

You still have to prove reed nullfied the multiverse.As you yet haven't.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's not really what this thread or current discussion is about.

Really since when? You guys are trying to argue that ONE superior feat in ONE area (nullification) makes it superior to the IG. You're also trying to argue that Thanos couldn't resist a larger scale nullification with NO proof what-so-ever. What we do know is that things AREN'T nullified more potently just because you increase the scale. We also know that even if that is true and you would have to work harder... a competent user has a good percentage of being able to do so.... with a MERE THOUGHT and an INCOMPLETE IG he was able to pwn the UN. You give the user a complete IG and make him work really hard... he can overcome exponentially more if it was already that easy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
By this rationale, if in the future, the UN nullifies a marble-sized fireball produced by the IG, then the UN > IG. IG's power doesn't change at all, it's "always" omnipotent power. That doesn't sound shallow and dubious at all like your rationale. And 5 CCUs haven't demonstrated any power approaching instanetly destroying and restoring the Marvel Multiverse. So obviously UN's power > 5 CCUs' power. No matter what else you want to rationalize. Thus, same holds for UN's power > IG's power.

So what you're saying here is that a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere = instantaneous Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Fine deduction here.

Not really.And still prove reed nullfied the multiverse.You have too.And you haven't.

Since the properties don't change,just the size,then IG just can just teleport it to another dimension,freeze time on it,or just make it disappear.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This is true.But if the properties of nullification don't change and the IG was incomplete when it did I'm still convinced IG is stronger.

The IG being incomplete has no bearing on the redirection at all so ive never understood why IG fans have latched on to this point.

Its the Power Gem that amps up all of the other gems to universal levels. If one gem other than the power one is missing that just means less versatility to your overall arsenal. It doesnt make the power of the other gems any less.

For the re-direction of an energy beam, all that was needed was the power gem with its universal scale energy manipulation abilities. The presence of the Reality gem would not have made the power gem or any of the other gems more powerful.

Originally posted by zopzop
Maelstrom was sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. Do you think that was a "love blast" Thanos hit Maelstrom with after Maelstrom told him to his face he doesn't fear him or the Gauntlet?

WORSE still is after the blast Maelstrom continued to smack talk Thanos and Thanos was blissfully unaware of Maelstrom's presence!

Yes, Quasar. A man with NO experience with the Nullifier or how it functions. He produced a marble sized ball with it, while Reed undid creation with it.

So him being an anomoly and not effected by ONE blast from thanos means he is superior? huh? He did NOTHING TO THANOS AT ALL. He did was laugh at how he wasn't effected by ONE blast from Thanos. Yet this is the best you can do?

WITH BUT A THOUGHT an INCOMPLETE IG pwnd the UN PERIOD. THAT IS HOW DAMN EASY IT WAS

Originally posted by Mindset
Even if we were to assume the nullification energies had the same potency regardless of size, one obviously has more energy, thus would take a larger amount of power to overtake it.

It would be like comparing a small splash in your bath to a tidal wave, they are made up of the same things, but it would take a much greater amount of force to stop one than the other. The IG never showed power over the entire multiverse, which one would think would be needed to stop something that instantaneously affects the entire multiverse.

At least that's the way I see it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Maelstrom was sitting in the blast crater laughing in his face. Do you think that was a "love blast" Thanos hit Maelstrom with after Maelstrom told him to his face he doesn't fear him or the Gauntlet?

WORSE still is after the blast Maelstrom continued to smack talk Thanos and Thanos was blissfully unaware of Maelstrom's presence!

This point has already been addressed by myself and King Kandy and quite conclusively as well. It was down to Maelstrom being the new Anomaly and says nothing about a lack of power in the IG. Therefore the point doesnt need to be brought up again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So him being an anomoly and not effected by ONE blast from thanos means he is superior? huh? He did NOTHING TO THANOS AT ALL. He did was laugh at how he wasn't effected by ONE blast from Thanos. Yet this is the best you can do?

No I can do better but what's the point. It won't convince you. Maelstrom was later shown GOING TOE TO TOE vs Thanos and the IG in an issue of Quasar. He even had time to switch his attention to Quasar and send a blast that knocked Quasar clear out of our multiverse and into another!

In his OFFICIAL Marvel bio, it stated he had more power than the IG.

Yet he feared the Nullifier.

WITH BUT A THOUGHT an INCOMPLETE IG pwnd the UN PERIOD. THAT IS HOW DAMN EASY IT WAS

When wielded by a fool like Quasar. A man with no experience with it before.

Originally posted by Mindset
Therefore you are assuming nullification has the same potency regardless of its size.

The evidence that it's potency changes with its size is that it nullified a multiverse in one instance and less in another. Bigger size = more affected = more energy = more potency. Or did you mean another word besides potency?

Anyway, there would still be more energy directed at Magus even if he was only protecting himself. So you are assuming that he could affect more energy than he was shown to be able to going by on panel evidence.

No.More energy is not the same as more potency.You can'y change the extent to which something is nullfied.Nullification is nullfication.

Theres no way to quantify how much energy was used compared to how much IG has taken.Therefore you cannot say UN uses more energy then IG can manipulate.