Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you think Thanos energy amps count as h/h then you also have to allow Batman to use his special tazer knuckle-dusters in h/h. Generally h/h means only natural strength.
The energy is a part of him
It's like: Thanos without his energy/power, is just a mighty, and powerful eternal/mutant
In the same: Surfer, without his power, is a dude named Norrin Radd.
Strip Sups from his power too, and he still get his ass kicked by Thanos
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you think Thanos energy amps count as h/h then you also have to allow Batman to use his special tazer knuckle-dusters in h/h. Generally h/h means only natural strength.
Then by that token Superman isn't allowed to amp his punches via speed or via anger. Both those increase his striking power and the damage he can do. Using speed to amp your punches isn't "natural strength" whatever that means. The fact is.. Thanos has energy running throughout his body that he can direct to his hands for when he hits. This is no different than supes using speed or getting really pissed and punching harder. Both are amplifying their punches and yet still ONLY punching. That is h2h. Period.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Then by that token Superman isn't allowed to amp his punches via speed or via anger. Both those increase his striking power and the damage he can do. Using speed to amp your punches isn't "natural strength" whatever that means. The fact is.. Thanos has energy running throughout his body that he can direct to his hands for when he hits. This is no different than supes using speed or getting really pissed and punching harder. Both are amplifying their punches and yet still ONLY punching. That is h2h. Period.
Originally posted by Omega Visionthanos' "energy hands" are just as admissible as superman punching while using any superhuman speed while doing it. batman's tazer things fall under rarely used tech that is unnatural to his powerset.
If you think Thanos energy amps count as h/h then you also have to allow Batman to use his special tazer knuckle-dusters in h/h. Generally h/h means only natural strength.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos' "energy hands" are just as admissible as superman punching while using any superhuman speed while doing it. batman's tazer things fall under rarely used tech that is unnatural to his powerset.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I somewhat agree with you but energy projection of any kind isn't considered h/h. By that same logic energy blasts would be considered h/h. I agree it is a very iffy subject but IIRC Magneto (or Ult Magneto, I can't remember which) amped himself with his magnetic powers to go toe to toe with Colossus but I don't think when someone asks h/h they intend for Magneto to use such an amp. By the same token h/h means no energy amp for Thanos. There is a large difference between Superman using physics and emotions to amp and Thanos using energy projection to amp.
Well you somewhat agree so that is a start. Amping your punches via speed, anger or whatever is amping your punches period. Thanos amping his punching falls in the same category imo. It is still only punching at the end of the day there is no energy projection.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
so if i jump out of a shuttle on re-entry and punch you in the face it's A oK, but say using my natural chi (*shrugs*) to punch harder is not?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
anyway, this is all irrelevant since there aren't those type of limitations in this fight.i want to know how superman can get around the fact that thanos reacted to, and snuffed the forgotten one's ass cold.
I agree he used TK in that scene to stop him in his tracks. Others believe it was his shielding. Either of which would work against superman
Originally posted by psycho gundam
anyway, this is all irrelevant since there aren't those type of limitations in this fight.i want to know how superman can get around the fact that thanos reacted to, and snuffed the forgotten one's ass cold.
The forgotten one didn't necessarily move as fast as Superman can and will.
Originally posted by h1a8
The forgotten one didn't necessarily move as fast as Superman can and will.
You don't know how fast he was moving correct? We know he's fast though correct? So what we can say for a fact is that thanos has super fast reflexes and can TK somebody charging right at him at a good rate of speed.
You are saying that Thanos is fast. Yes, but you claim that he MUST be really fast since he was able to stop a moving SS with Tk, or whatever. That does not mean Thanos is anywhere near as fast as SS.
Without as knowing how fast SS was, you can't really use it to support anything. Otherwise, you have people claiming Hulk is fast because he was able to tag someone that was moving fast
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are saying that Thanos is fast. Yes, but you claim that he MUST be really fast since he was able to stop a moving SS with Tk, or whatever. That does not mean Thanos is anywhere near as fast as SS.Without as knowing how fast SS was, you can't really use it to support anything. Otherwise, you have people claiming Hulk is fast because he was able to tag someone that was moving fast
Hey JL,
I don't think you really read my post or the one above, considering what you just said. I NEVER said thanos is fast or ever tried to compare his speed to SS. Please point me to any place where I said this. What I said was that Thanos has shown on panel a few times fast reflexes. I believe he reflex speed to be very fast. Superman, SS fast.. nah. However, when on panel you see him talking to the F.O. (who is a very fast) and then he bulrushes Thanos at a high rate of speed (artist depiction). Thanos proceeds to use his very fast reflexes to raise his hand to stop The F.O. mid flight right before he hits him via TK. He also did a similar thing when SS tried to rush him to take the IG away from him. Yes he had the IG, but he was also trying to impress death so he wasn't tapping them except the power gem. My point is, and the only point I made, is that Thanos on panel has shown to be able to react to a bullrush.. The SS IIRC said exactly how fast he was going.. like way fast than the speed of light. The F.O. they never said but by artist depiction and his known powerset he's very fast. People were claiming supes would just bullrush him and I was trying to point out that Thanos has shown to have quick reflexes so it is very possible he could deal with it. Nothing more nothing less. Certainly never talked about him being a speedster or even being near as fast as SS or any speedster.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are missing the point.You can say that Thanos has Super Human reflexes and Speed, but you can never say to what degree. To me it seems like you are trying to claw your way into where you can say that Thanos will tag Superman the others because he did it out of PIS.
Why would I have to claw my way into saying Thanos will hit superman? I have always felt like Thanos will be able to hit superman. Superman gets hit by nearly everyone and anyone he faces. Why would i think Thanos would be any different? So then, it's your claim that Thanos would never touch superman?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why would I have to claw my way into saying Thanos will hit superman? I have always felt like Thanos will be able to hit superman. Superman gets hit by nearly everyone and anyone he faces. Why would i think Thanos would be any different? So then, it's your claim that Thanos would never touch superman?
In comics, it's a rule that character have hit. No matter how different their level is. Look at the Wol vs Thor. WtF!! Same with the Hulk and Thor. Same with DD vs Superman, or Superman vs WW. In reality, Superman would b able to run circles around WW (like shown in SOME fights), and DD, but it for the sake of the story.
Thanos tagging SS, Thor and others is no different. He tags them because of the story. In Kmc, characters fight to full potential and they aren't slowing own for the sake of the story. If my interpretation of the rules is right, Superman will be moving at nearly top speed, but still within his CIS