Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by CeSoir
Well, dont shrug off the times that Superman pounded his eyes shut or flew through his omega beams. Besides, why didn't Darkseid just omega effect Darkseid into a different area of the Universe? I just expected more cunning from him if hes gonna remain a Universal threat. I lose respect when characters go in and brawl with mindless beasts and end up getting dragged away KOed...because that is exactly what happened mate.

Look, this is going off topic. I dont really like bashing on Darkseid because lots call him Jobberseid already...it could be PIS I guess. However, I stand by Thanos beating Supes in a plethora of ways. His shields will be a factor, they arent weak, if you think they are then you dont respect Galactus (who stated shock at their durability) or power gemmed Champion. I mean, I dont mind if you think Supes can just punch through them, but it isnt likely.

Since we'll never agree on the shields, even if he busts through easily it still doesnt save him from getting his mind melted by Thanos. I'd suggest you guys read up on the Mind Sync Time Warp Thanos used on Drax early in his career. I dont see Supes getting out of that. I also dont see Supes tanking Thanos's blasts since they hurt Maker (who is a Beyonder in physical form and is all 7s on Marvel's handbook).

Originally posted by CeSoir
Well, dont shrug off the times that Superman pounded his eyes shut or flew through his omega beams. Besides, why didn't Darkseid just omega effect Darkseid into a different area of the Universe? I just expected more cunning from him if hes gonna remain a Universal threat. I lose respect when characters go in and brawl with mindless beasts and end up getting dragged away KOed...because that is exactly what happened mate.

Originally posted by CeSoir
He's taken dives to more than just Superman....and frequently.

It just may be a lack of knowledge about all of Thanos's capabilities. Superman is more well known so people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, the fact Thanos is stomping this thread in votes is a testament to his power. The guy isnt the type to lose to a slugger like Superman. Maybe if this was Superboy Prime it'd be a little closer but I'd still say mental attacks are the way to go. Thanos can pretty much lobotomize an opponent with a glance.

Originally posted by CeSoir
It just may be a lack of knowledge about all of Thanos's capabilities. Superman is more well known so people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, the fact Thanos is stomping this thread in votes is a testament to his power. The guy isnt the type to lose to a slugger like Superman. Maybe if this was Superboy Prime it'd be a little closer but I'd still say mental attacks are the way to go. Thanos can pretty much lobotomize an opponent with a glance.

Originally posted by Juntai
For those times that someone says a character is going to mindrape Superman... Here's a few examples..

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) Manchester Black: Black, a telepath so strong that not even J'onn could overcome the protection Black placed around Lex Luthor, had Superman believe that Lois was dead and that Superman had killed Black. Superman saw through the ruse and overcame Black's telepathic illusions. (Ending Battle)

7) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

8) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so. He then explains that, over the years, he has built up "a resistance to telepathy."

Superman loses.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? You want to go that route?

Yet Poison Ivy was able to control Supes and sick him on Batman. 😉

Originally posted by Mindset
Superman loses.

Certainly.

Originally posted by CeSoir
Yet Poison Ivy was able to control Supes and sick him on Batman. 😉

Originally posted by Juntai
Poison Ivy's isn't a mental attack, it's a biological one.
You're really bad at this game, and keep trying to lowball in every direction you can.

It is a form of mind control. She gives Superman an order to kill, he follows it to a T. None of your examples are anything like the Time-Mind Sync-Warp. Let's put it in rational terms. Thanos level mind control >>>>> Poison Ivy's. He's a demi-God afterall. Superman is just a man.

Originally posted by CeSoir
It is a form of mind control. She gives Superman an order to kill, he follows it to a T. None of your examples are anything like the Time-Mind Sync-Warp. Let's put it in rational terms. Thanos level mind control >>>>> Poison Ivy's. He's a demi-God afterall. Superman is just a man.

Originally posted by Juntai
For those times that someone says a character is going to mindrape Superman... Here's a few examples..

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) Manchester Black: Black, a telepath so strong that not even J'onn could overcome the protection Black placed around Lex Luthor, had Superman believe that Lois was dead and that Superman had killed Black. Superman saw through the ruse and overcame Black's telepathic illusions. (Ending Battle)

7) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

8) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so. He then explains that, over the years, he has built up "a resistance to telepathy."

Hey, i'm not trying to be a smartass or anything and i might be offbase, but if Clark can dismiss mind control that easily, how did Maxwell Lord do it? Is there a part of that story i'm unaware of or is this just inconsistent?

Originally posted by tkitna
Hey, i'm not trying to be a smartass or anything and i might be offbase, but if Clark can dismiss mind control that easily, how did Maxwell Lord do it? Is there a part of that story i'm unaware of or is this just inconsistent?

Originally posted by tkitna
Hey, i'm not trying to be a smartass or anything and i might be offbase, but if Clark can dismiss mind control that easily, how did Maxwell Lord do it? Is there a part of that story i'm unaware of or is this just inconsistent?

An excellent point.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hers is biological not a psychic attack.
She told him to kill and he told her no.
Thanos' level of mind control is vastly below the others on the list I mentioned. Unless you want to stack his feats against theirs?
You're pulling at straws here.

He was going to kill Batman. He was ready to throw a car on top of him. She convinced him to kill until they threw Lois off a building.

Originally posted by Juntai
Maxwell Lord has been attacking Superman's mind since 1991, and finally had 'nearly' full control in 2005. The books mention him doing it bit by bit since he helped form the new Justice League. And the method of it, Superman wasn't actively working against it because he hadn't an idea he was being attacked.

Ok, thats cool. I truly didnt know and was just curious. It just seems like those other characters mentioned would be far superior. Thanks and peace.

Originally posted by CeSoir
He was going to kill Batman. He was ready to throw a car on top of him. She convinced him to kill until they threw Lois off a building.

If you're out for blood and to kill a guy and he says "LOOK!" and points, do you look?

Please stop reaching dude.
You're being outdone on every account here.

Originally posted by CeSoir
An excellent point.

Originally posted by Juntai
People like Thor, Diana, Billy are all day-to-day Superman's equal, Darkseid is a notch or two ahead of them. A determined Superman is a notch or two above that still, in these situations those people that were his peers- no longer are.

Both have instances of taking on characters out of their league but Thor's showings his higher ones anyone are more impressive.

Darkseid though you like to call him a notch or so above Superman unless he steps it up was mauled by DD in a few panels. The guy's not that impressive and to find really impressive showings of him you have to cite gds or something which applied precrisis pretty much.

Originally posted by Juntai
Drax didn't seem to have a problem tearing right through, or are we going to suggest that Thanos' shields have a inherent weakness to Drax as well?

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm not talking about the scenario. I'm talking specifically about the shields. Keep up kid. You mentioned the shields being so strong, I mentioned a character tearing right through them like they barely existed. If by multiple times, you mean "We can settle afte--- it can't be." before having his heart ripped out, then you'd be correct. Because that's all he said as soon as Drax touched his shield.

Not that hard to figure out which is the correct answer.

Some interesting points made about CIS, PIS and jobbing. In the context of a forum debate power/skill set should trump all IMO, including feats. Feats should be taken with a grain of salt. If we keep feats in the context of power/skill set then that will help better call out PIS, CIS or jobbing. This is why my views on how certain characters would do vs other characters often conflict with the status quo of this board. For example, I give characters who can manipulate fundamental forces such as gravity i.e. Nova, Graviton, the edge in most battles. I don't place as high a premium on feats in the context of a forum debate as others. For example, I have never been comfortable with Thanos schooling the Surfer the way he has over the years. Thanos is a beast no doubt, but you mean to tell me that with the PC the SS can't manage one win? Not even via bfr?

All too often we say PIS/CIS are off, but then we resort to running off to grab our comics and posting our favorite scans to prove points. I'm not saying feats aren't important, but they shouldn't take precedent over power/skill set.

Having said all of that, sometimes a particular character is just flatout outclassed. Superman vs Thanos is one of those times. Thanos wins.