Enyalus
MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by Allankles
Again, imposing another characters limitations on another is the definition of ABC logic. Skill doesn't necessarily translate to ability. You can have all the skill in the world yet lack the ability to maximize on said skill, because of physical limitations. In the world of combat perception and speed/reflexes count for a lot, in fact they overcome "pure" skill in a lot of instances.
There's nothing wrong with using ABC logic in this instance. I haven't made any errors in comparison. Gamora, clearly, does not suffer from any ability to maximize her skill. Speed/reflexes often overcome pure skill in a lot of instances, yes. You weren't discussing speed initially though. Now that you've been called out on it, you seem to want to steer the conversation that way, though.
It's also true that often times, pure skill wins out over speed and reflexes. See Batman against the Flash, or Deathstroke against the Flash, or Daken against Spider-Man, or hell, PC Val against PC Superboy.
Originally posted by Allankles
Superman can see openings where she cannot, simply because of his perception of Thanos' movement. In Supes eyes Thanos moves a lot slower than he does in Gamora's, that's obvious, so at the end of the day Supes won't have problems seeing those openings.
Superman needs to consciously speed up his thought processing speed in order to slow down events and perceptions. He does not walk around every day at the Daily Planet viewing people in slow motion. That would be maddening, and quite frankly, absurd. Superman has no need to slow down his perceptions in order to find openings in Thanos' martial defenses. Why? Because Thanos isn't using any kind of overwhelming speed. Why would Superman, who is perfectly capable of keeping up with Thanos speed-wise, suddenly think, "Oh no! I can't find an opening. But maybe, just maybe if I speed up my thought processing I'll be able to see something I'd normally miss!"
Which is irrelevant anyway. Because if he did find said opening by doing that, he'd still need to use his superior speed and reflexes in order to exploit that opening. Just because you can see an advantage doesn't mean you can take advantage of that, especially when you couldn't beforehand. And I've already agreed that if Superman used his superior speed and reflexes he could get through Thanos' martial defenses. But that wasn't the argument. The argument was that he couldn't get through it on pure skill alone. And he can't. You somehow want to derail that argument.
Originally posted by Allankles
Also using SS is ABC logic, SS gets wrecked h2h, Supes can't share his feats or his record, they're different characters afterall.
Again, nothing wrong with ABC logic. SS's perceptions are superior to Superman's in both sight and hearing. That's never helped SS find an opening in Thanos' defenses or take a win. You were arguing that Superman's superior perceptions would give him an advantage over what Gamora possessed. I just showed that its irrelevant, since he's fought people who have perceptions that are greater than Superman and won easily.
Originally posted by Allankles
Again Thanos has not actually shown the same level of skill on panel. I wouldn't need to argue over Gamora's statement to know that.
Gamora's statement is really all you need. When someone who has mastered 84.7% of combat forms in the universe says, hey, Thanos is tough to get to H2H, that's that. Case close.
He's also killed a planet full of the deadliest mercenaries in the universe for sport. They had weapons even, he did not.
There are other examples aside from that. Thanos has plenty of pure MA skill.
