Thanos vs Superman

I thought I broke it down very clearly and there was no ambiguity but clearly there still is.. so I will try again… Try and follow along…

1. I do understand your point about how we argued (on the same side) on the Darkseid Final Crisis issue. You are correct and I understand how you're trying to correlate the two. The problem is.. that we were very specific in what we were arguing for. Specific feats we saw DS accomplish were because of amps or various factors and we were clear in that regard. Stuff that didn't apply to either of those (amps or circumstances) we didn't argue those other feats were because of them. If they were they were if they weren't they weren't.

2. Don't strawman me… I never have once said the feats that it's clear he was amped don't count as an amp and were under Thanos own power. Show me one instance where there was a known amp at work and I said nope that was Thanos on his own. You won't find it. So we'll use your precious strawman argument as you just tried to do that to me. When it was shown, stated or implied he was tapping into the gem I have ZERO issue and haven't said a word about those feats.

3. So…. what we are left with.. is a feat (dodging ss) were there was NO mention or implication throughout the arc and in that situation that he had amped ANYTHING. NONE. You're not being logically sound because you are saying that just because he has the power of x.. he must've used that power. After all he had it.. Not logically sound in the least. He had many powers he didn't use that he could have with a variety of the gems correct? Yet he didn't. So therefore it's clear he didn't use all the gems all the time to maximize everyone of their powers. This is undisputable. Therefore we can safely conclude that some powers were never used. Therefore, why couldn't it be that reflexes was one of those powers never used. Logic and reason and on panel proof are on my side not yours. Therefore since it's a fact some powers and abilities weren't used.. you must then prove that reflexes was one of those powers used. Nobody is denying he could've, but the question is did he… You have ZERO proof that he did and thus the onus is very clearly on you to prove so. You can't and thus you wanna rely on your illogical premise that… well he had the power.. thus he must've used it. Nope try again.

^ 1. All the Darkseid proponents were using the same exact argument you're arguing, "Sure, there's evidence that ALE allowed Darkseid to do different things. But there's no evidence that directly states that the ALE amped Darkseid's influence and allowed him to crush the Multiverse specifically. Prove he used the ALE to do it." Same. Exact. Argument. "Sure, there's evidence that IG allowed Thanos to do different things. But there's no evidence that directly states that the IG amped Thanos' reflexes and allowed him to avoid Surfer's grab. Prove he used the IG to do it." Same. Exact. Argument. The only difference is that Darkseid proponents never agreed that the ALE could break time and space and here, you are agreeing without doubt that the IG could amp his reflexes.

2. You're misinterpreting me and your straw-man accusation is wholly off-base. You absolutely agree Thanos amped himself in different ways, in different times, in reaction to different obstacles. Therefore, that establishes a presumption that Thanos was making use of the IG throughout the fight. That presumption places the burden of proof on you to prove he didn't in that instance such that we are positive that we can divorce said feat from the IG itself.

3. The key phrase in any dispute over burden of proof, "All things considered equal." Here, it's not. Thanos had the IG. It isn't on me to prove he amped himself. Your absurd bastardization of the idea of burden of proof demonstrates the attenuation of this whole argument.

Seriously. It was IG Thanos. Try finding feats from comics where he didn't have omnipotent power. Nuff said.

Superman stomps

Originally posted by manx422
Superman stomps

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He didn't say he wouldn't be able to see their next movements. He said he wouldn't be able to know his enemies' next move. Flash doesn't have telepathy or cosmic awareness to discern his enemies' next move, but he can still be speed amped and react accordingly.

And you seize upon Spiderman kicking Thanos in the face as if I hadn't already deconstructed that faulty notion:

You really need to quit making things up with no actual proof in the comic. You ignore dialogue and are turning into someone who lives in his own world.

Originally posted by manx422
Superman stomps

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It bent over backwards to demonstrate that Thanos was testing his wits and battle-savvy. Not his reflexes. It is absurd. Flash amping up people's speed doesn't increase their cosmic senses. Don't straw-man me. Thanos gave himself whatever amps and powers he wanted at different times during the fight. There were times when he grew in size (but he wasn't huge the entire fight), there were times when people touched him and were near destroyed by backlash (but that didn't happen to every hero).

Using the fact that Thanos wasn't speed amped at all times as being dispositive of him making use of it in that instance is dishonest. You can't divorce a single thing Thanos did in that fight. He possessed the friggin Infinity Gauntlet. This isn't that hard.

^ Sensing =/= reacting. Flash doesn't need cosmically enhanced senses to react far faster to things.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Huh? Movements/moves whatever the point is he clearly wasn't acting amped by reacting faster or anything else. You can pretend he was and ignore the fancy words in the comic when he explained himself but if you read more than five stories which feature Thanos you'd realize nothing he did seemed amped let alone the fact it was never once described.

You really need to quit making things up with no actual proof in the comic. You ignore dialogue and are turning into someone who lives in his own world.

Shut up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Sensing =/= reacting. Flash doesn't need cosmically enhanced senses to react far faster to things. An opponent's movement =/= opponent's next move. Stop butchering the English language. Acting like I ignore dialogue when you attach wholly different meanings and equivocate over words that a five-year old could understand is pure comedy. Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet in the fight. He was amped. Don't be dense.

Shut up.

I mean it caught him completely off guard but do you honestly think the writer had Thanos fighting with increased senses so he can react to these beings or do you think he thought I am going to whip their asses what chance do they have anyways?

I mean come on odg it's like there is the writers intent and you assume the opposite.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Sensing =/= reacting. Flash doesn't need cosmically enhanced senses to react far faster to things. An opponent's movement =/= opponent's next move. Stop butchering the English language. Acting like I ignore dialogue when you attach wholly different meanings and equivocate over words that a five-year old could understand is pure comedy. Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet in the fight. He was amped. Don't be dense.

Shut up.

^ Increasing speed =/= increasing ability to sense. Flash running faster =/= heightening his cosmic senses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He said he'd retain limitless power yet not know his enemies next moves/movements. He'd put on a show with limitless power but wasn't reacting or showing any aid in terms of cosmic sense. Don't you think with increased senses he'd ya know sense the Surfer?

I mean it caught him completely off guard but do you honestly think the writer had Thanos fighting with increased senses so he can react to these beings or do you think he thought I am going to whip their asses what chance do they have anyways?

I mean come on odg it's like there is the writers intent and you assume the opposite.

I think you're straw-manning me desperately because you know that your equivocation over words holds little credence. Nobody says he increased his senses.

And just because you wish I say things that are easier to argue against doesn't make them true. Your ship be sinking.

If increasing the speed allowed him to sense things he wouldn't have sensed sans IG, then it didn't happen.

^ Increasing speed =/= increasing cosmic senses. This is English.

No, this is simple logic... there are two options.

A. The IG did anything, anything whatsoever, that made him capable of sensing new things.

B. The IG did do something that directly or indirectly made him capable of sensing new things.

Option A was ruled out already.

^ Here's something simpler: Increasing speed =/= increasing cosmic senses.

It's called English. This isn't hard. Thanos had the IG the entire fight. Trying to extract feats from a fight where one character has omnipotent power is pure phail.

No, not when it was specifically stated which powers he did and didn't have. This is like if Parallax said "i'm going to fight you without my Entropy powers" and then you said "that fight doesn't count, he had Entropy powers!"

i regret bringing that up guys, didn't know it would go this bloody far. 😄

anyway, thanos wtfsnuffing fallen one is apt enough, plus thanos has more distance between him and superman to....umm raise his arm.. 😐

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, not when it was specifically stated which powers he did and didn't have. This is like if Parallax said "i'm going to fight you without my Entropy powers" and then you said "that fight doesn't count, he had Entropy powers!"

Amping speed =/= amping cosmic senses.

What is so hard about that simple statement?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
ENGLISH motherf*cker. Do you speak it?

What? 😮

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
ENGLISH motherf*cker. Do you speak it?

Amping speed =/= amping cosmic senses.

What is so hard about that simple statement?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
ENGLISH motherf*cker. Do you speak it?

Amping speed =/= amping cosmic senses.

What is so hard about that simple statement?