Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Dizzle

Thanos never stood up to Tyrant. Tyrant smacked him around terribly, and Thanos was using Tyrant's own power against him. It wasn't just Thanos, and therefore isn't really an applicable feat.

Wrong. He stole a capsule of morg's power. And morg has been shown in numerous previous fights to be completely unable to harm either thanos OR tyrant.

Originally posted by Dizzle

The WM Thor w/ Gem fight was actually almost even. Thanos had a small edge, but still used tech to put him down. It's a pretty good showing, but it didn't show him "smacking around gem wielders" by any stretch.

He wasn't smacking him around? Really?

Originally posted by Dizzle

In just pure strength, Superman's feats are simply more impressive.

Like what?

Originally posted by Dizzle

He's also strong enough to eventually damage Thanos.

And how do you know this? Terrax, firelord, nova, surfer, thor at normal strength, and countless others have been shown completely unable to harm thanos with full power blows. Granted, there are other occassions where thanos is knocked back by lesser entities (e.g. spiderman in the IG series), but this invariably occurs when he is fighting 5, 10, 20 heroes simultaneously.

Heralds have destroyed stars. Superman cannot even move the moon, which is less than a millionth the size of a small star such as our sun. Yet superman can hurt thanos where all the heralds have failed? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by leonidas
ss's shown a much broader range of energy manipulation. in general, thanos blasts things nd destroys them.

SS has shown a much broader range of everything: personaly, girlfriends, history. For the simple reason that he appears in FAR MORE comics.

Originally posted by leonidas

ss just happens to be well suited to beat superman while i think supes would put up a better fight against thanos than ss does (even though there is a large contingent that says ss jobs to thanos.)

If you think ss beats superman just because of kryptonite radiation... well, i think that speaks for itself.

As for the "large contingent" that say ss jobs to thanos.... like who? Only person I remember saying that is silverspider, and he didn't exactly have a commanding knowledge of the character.

Thanos dominates all heralds. This is consistent as consistent can be. Whether it's firelord, morg, surfer, terrax, or nova. They all go down easy, without a scratch on thanos.

And these are universe hopping, star-destroying entities.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, Thanos doesn't go that easy to anyone. Superman's "bloodlust" is overblown in comics, IMO. He doesn't actually get "more powerful" he just cares a hell of a lot less. Basically, this means fighting almost intelligently in comics, but I can't do anything ridiculous like bench a ton just because I get mad. Superman doesn't get more powerful, he becomes a bastard.

Sundipped is a different story. When Superman actually flies into the sun, he gets crazy style powerful. As I said before, it's his ultimate last resort. Even the Cythonna fight wasn't really "dipped" Supes, he was merely NEAR the sun. As far as has been exhibited, it's two completely different things. Going into it kicks him up an extra notch or two, it's pure antiscience madness. For that reason, I'd give Superman the edge of fights. 7/10, Thanos is still hella tough and hella powerful.

Normally, I'd give Thanos about the same odds. Their strengths are both ridiculously high to the point that there's no real difference. Who's stronger? Supes has better feats, but Thanos has KOed a LOT of people. He has proven time and time again that he can punch out pretty much anything that isn't a high end cosmic being. His raw blasting power is immense, and he has exhibited telepathy in the past. I have no idea what he did to Warlock the first time they met, but it looked a LOT like life force draining. He's more versatile than many give him credit for. Couple that with his squeaky clean speedblitzer record and Superman is simply outmatched.

And no one answered my Dominus question... Do his powers work better on more powerful people, or is that someone else?

You are right, when Supes goes bloodlust, he doesn't become more powerful, he just stops holding back a lot less which of course makes it seem more powerful.

Sorry about not getting to your Dominus question earlier. I've been sidetracked. I believe you are thinking about someone else. Dominus has basic reality control, BUT it drains a lot of his energy to do so thus he prefers tricking "lesser beings" into starting a chain of events and then picking up the slack.

In addition to reality control, he is a master wizard, and cosmic entity.
He also has the power to absorb souls, freeze time, and uncreation(ie wiping from existence). Additionally, he's powerful enough to be able to kill Kismet (who was his former lover) somehow.

If you have any other questions towards Dominus, just PM me and I'll
answer as best I can.

He does get stronger as he stresses though, do to pulling in sunlight faster, according to what we've learned Emil.

I think it comes down to Superman putting up quite literally one of the greatest fights of his life, but Thanos would defeat him. All of Superman's powers have been shown to be VERY similar to the amount of the Power Cosmic wielded by the Heralds of Galactus. Even sundipped, Thanos is just too powerful for him. So, I'd say that it would be a battle that would last for hours on end, with Superman finally collapsing from expending himself and getting beat on, and Thanos would be near the point of KO, but still standing. Thanos wins.

(btw, I may be giving Supes a LOT more credit than I should)

I think a Thanos/Superman fight would be purely physical and very similar to the Doomsday vs. (Byrne)Superman fight.

Originally posted by slade10
Wrong. He stole a capsule of morg's power. And morg has been shown in numerous previous fights to be completely unable to harm either thanos OR tyrant.

Then why did Thanos's attacks do a lot more damage AFTER he picked up the orb? Why did he pick it up in the first place, if Morg's power wouldn't do anything to help him?

He wasn't smacking him around? Really?

Good thing you posted that WHOLE fight...

Face it, Thor gave him a very good fight. Heck, saying Thanos even pulled a stalemate would be lenient. Thor clearly had the upper hand at the end of it, when Thanos conveniently ducked out and came back with a big ass laser gun.

Like what?

Actually shattering a moon with his fists, pushing Warworld, holding a mini black hole, punching Wonderwoman from the sun to the Earth within a few seconds, etc. Thanos is no slouch, yes, but Superman's pure strength feats are much more well documented, as he IS more popular. Seeing it again, I'd say Thanos probably DID use an energy blast. The two had hands locked, in almost the EXACT same pose as Surfer and Morg when they blew up an asteroid.

And how do you know this? Terrax, firelord, nova, surfer, thor at normal strength, and countless others have been shown completely unable to harm thanos with full power blows. Granted, there are other occassions where thanos is knocked back by lesser entities (e.g. spiderman in the IG series), but this invariably occurs when he is fighting 5, 10, 20 heroes simultaneously.

Has Thor ever actually blasted at Thanos with a Godforce? (anything short of it isn't quite a "full powered shot"😉 Aside from that, Thor HAS knocked him down before, and WM Thor even made him bleed. The heralds are nowhere near as strong as Superman, that point is moot. Surfer's powerful, but he can also do some damage to Thanos, even if he can't ever manage to put him down.

Heralds have destroyed stars. Superman cannot even move the moon, which is less than a millionth the size of a small star such as our sun. Yet superman can hurt thanos where all the heralds have failed? That makes no sense.

Name me the last time a herald destroyed a star. 🙂

<<I'm talking about this. Flick of fingers. KO. Affirmation by Captain Marvel. This is before at least 10x amp. Probably closer to 100x amp.

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you can clearly see the power around his hand then a flash hits ben. call it a strength feat if you feel you have to. i say no way, and am willing to hear what others think when they look at the scan, confident they too will say it was NOT a strength feat.

<<Fine. But your interpretation makes no sense. THey show a fistfight with chunks of the planet flying all over the place. Then planet explodes and drax is KO'd. This isn't a hard interpretation.>>

better to assume thanos had to unleash his world-destroying power to defeat a cl40 character? you think a cl40 has such durability that thanos needed to destroy a world to put him out?? didn't the blood brothers defeat or were defeating drax in that arc? a more likely interpretation -- drax and thanos unleashed their cosmic power (drax did have strong blasts back then) and that destroyed the world. i see no reason to suppose they fought a strictly h2h fight, or to think that was even a large world at all -- your saganian musings aside . . .

your thor scan speaks directly to the inconsistencies i've mentioned all along -- in 3 hours he'd be unstoppable?? yet an elder of the univese couldn't harness that much power in 1000 000s of years? drax couldn't do anything more than be a clown with it? meh, the gem issue is old. once more you use words spoken, but have no feats to show a gem wielder can do anything more spectacular than what a reg character has done. you choose to believe words, that's fine and entirely your perogative. you'll say i'm saying i know more than marvel does. that's fine too. to be blunt: i'll believe a gem wielder is that powerful when i actually see it -- not a moment before. i could say that in marvel's the end, strange said only ss had the power needed to dispatch thanos. a character said it. strange knows both intimately. so, DOES the ss have power to kill thanos? no? than why did strange say it? was omnipotent marvel wrong? was strange being stupid? this is why we need feats, not words.

but round and round we go . . . and this is where i get off that ride . . .

<<If you think ss beats superman just because of kryptonite radiation... well, i think that speaks for itself.>>

says what exactly? i gave 2 examples of how ss could win. you want a list? don't be insulting. and snide comments aside, doesn't matter the appearances -- fact is ss HAS shown much wider use of his powers, and thanos has had PLENTY of appearances to show said power.

as for who thinks ss jobs: there are a few ss threads with ss fans who say that ss should be able to do much better against thanos -- ie he never uses his speed, never uses his matter manipulation and always fights thanos like a moron. which he does. ss SHOULD be able to put up a better fight than getting PUNCHED out in 3-4 shots. but i'm not even attempting to convince you of that.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Then why did Thanos's attacks do a lot more damage AFTER he picked up the orb? Why did he pick it up in the first place, if Morg's power wouldn't do anything to help him?

For the knowledge, as is stated in the comic on the second to last page, for anyone who bothered reading it.

Morg's power is nothing. Morg had already shown exactly zero capacity to harm tyrant. And by the time thanos got the orb, morg had already escaped from the draining battery and re-manifested his powers. It's not clear that orb had ANY power, much less the power to fight a galactus clone.

Originally posted by Dizzle

Good thing you posted that WHOLE fight...

Neither did you. What's your point? You post enough to get your point across. You claimed that thanos did not smack thor around. That was clearly false.

In any event, if people want to see the whole fight, I have no problem with it. I'm not the one trying to paint a distorted picture.

Originally posted by Dizzle

Heck, saying Thanos even pulled a stalemate would be lenient. Thor clearly had the upper hand at the end of it, when Thanos conveniently ducked out and came back with a big ass laser gun.

Are you out of your mind? Thanos floored thor 3 times, and sent him spinning back upside down twice. Thor knocked thanos down all of ZERO times. He has the "upper hand" because he got a surprise shot in at the end of the fight?

And recall, this is warrior madness (10x) thor with power gem (untold amplification, but surely at least 10x). 100x thor is getting knocked around by thanos.

And yet superman is stronger? That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Dizzle

Aside from that, Thor HAS knocked him down before, and WM Thor even made him bleed. The heralds are nowhere near as strong as Superman, that point is moot. Surfer's powerful, but he can also do some damage to Thanos, even if he can't ever manage to put him down.

Thor has never knocked thanos down, except by teaming with multiple other heros. He DID manage to knock down a weak thanos clone when boosted by the odinforce. But here's a picture of thor versus that same weak clone, without the odinforce.

Here's how mangog, a ridiculously powerful being in his own right (but enthralled by the thanos clone in this storyline), reacted to a similar blast. (Of course, he was up 2 pages later beating on thor again.)

You have no basis for saying heralds are "nowhere near as strong as superman." Like thanos, they rarely, if ever use strength because they are universe-hopping, cosmic beings. What we DO know is that heralds have shown massively more powerful feats than superman. While superman is struggling to move a moon-sized object while sundipped, heralds are destroying stars millions of times larger while at normal power.

Nova, the weakest herald, easily destroying a star (surfer reprimands her for being so inexperienced in the power cosmic as to not realize its potential)

Surfer stabilizing an exploding star.

Don't the dials in DC go up to 11?

Oh, and how does thanos fare against these star-destroying blasts?

I repeat: anyone who thinks superman can come even close to beating thanos is either a little batty, or MORE than a little biased. This is not a close call. Superman will have enormous trouble even HARMING thanos, much less beating him.

I think your a little nutty is you think Nova can beat Superman.

I just have one question though. How much do you think Supermans power was amped in ACT. # 782?

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Originally posted by Thorin
Randomly known fact about Chuck Norris...

The "S" on Superman's suit was woven out of chest hair taken from Chuck Norris as he lay unconscious from an intense Total Gym workout session. This is the true source of Superman's powers.

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That's why I go with free weights.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think your a little nutty is you think Nova can beat Superman.

I just have one question though. How much do you think Supermans power was amped in ACT. # 782?

I already said this. 2-3x.

Warworld is a little smaller than the moon. Normal superman was straining to move 1/3 the moon. Sundipped supes in 782 was straining to move warworld. That implies <3x but probably >2x.

Unfortunately, an average planet is hundreds or thousands of times larger than the moon. ANd the average star is millions of times larger.

Originally posted by slade10
I already said this. 2-3x.

Warworld is a little smaller than the moon. Normal superman was straining to move 1/3 the moon. Sundipped supes in 782 was straining to move warworld. That implies <3x but probably >2x.

Unfortunately, an average planet is hundreds or thousands of times larger than the moon. ANd the average star is millions of times larger.

Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld?s engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld?s surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds? engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac?s disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld?s engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex?s reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies."😉 Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.

Originally posted by leonidas

you can clearly see the power around his hand then a flash hits ben. call it a strength feat if you feel you have to. i say no way, and am willing to hear what others think when they look at the scan, confident they too will say it was NOT a strength feat.

And Marvel says that he KO'd him with a flick of his fingers... exactly why then? And I didn't know cosmic energy went "WHAM" in big white letters. 🙄

Originally posted by leonidas

better to assume thanos had to unleash his world-destroying power to defeat a cl40 character? you think a cl40 has such durability that thanos needed to destroy a world to put him out??

You completely ignored my point again. Class 40 drax was said to be invulnerable, and had already, IIRC, survived the explosion of a star completely unscathed. Why WOULDN"T it take a planet-busting blow to take him down?

Originally posted by leonidas

yet an elder of the univese couldn't harness that much power in 1000 000s of years? drax couldn't do anything more than be a clown with it? meh, the gem issue is old.

Champion had no idea the gem was that powerful. He was only accidentally tapping it. Read the comic, please. And even with just his accidental usage of the gem, he was smashing through worlds as if they were cornflakes.

Originally posted by leonidas

once more you use words spoken, but have no feats to show a gem wielder can do anything more spectacular than what a reg character has done. you choose to believe words, that's fine and entirely your perogative.

THis argument is becoming tired. I've already shown feats. Thor with warrior madness fougth silver surfer for an entire comic, and could not bring him down. With the power gem, he 1-shooted him, along with strange, warlock, and the infinity watch.

The power gem has not been used in too many comics. In its two main apperances:

1. Champion accidentally destroyed a planet.
2. Thor beat down a team with multiple planet busters, and probably the two best mages in the marvel universe (strange and warlock).

In both appearances, it was described by multiple authoriative sources as being limitless. Please don't repeat the same mischaracteriazations that I've already disposed of. If you have a problem with the feats, then probe the feats.

Originally posted by leonidas

i could say that in marvel's the end, strange said only ss had the power needed to dispatch thanos.

That's true. Only cosmic energy wielders have the power to harm thanos, as he cannot be killed except by molecular dispersion. Please post the scan. I've been kind enough to support my arguments with actual evidence. And you and your JLA mates haven't had the best of records in interpreting scans, to be completely honest.

Originally posted by leonidas

as for who thinks ss jobs: there are a few ss threads with ss fans who say that ss should be able to do much better against thanos -- ie he never uses his speed, never uses his matter manipulation and always fights thanos like a moron. which he does. ss SHOULD be able to put up a better fight than getting PUNCHED out in 3-4 shots. but i'm not even attempting to convince you of that.

And? There are fanboys of every character who claim they're character is a worldbeater. That's nothing new. But no one who knows these characters thinks surfer loses to thanos because he's "jobbing." Did he lose to odin because he was "jobbing"? Tyrant? Thor w/ power gem?

Surfer and every herald has been shown to be miles below thanos. THis is as plain as the sun. If it's not plain to you, that's only because you keep talking about a character you know next to nothing about.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's nice. But what about the momentum of the engines pushing against Supes?

Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld?s engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld?s surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds? engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac?s disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld?s engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex?s reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies."😉 Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.

Please read the thread. We've already been through this. Superman is shown straining to move warworld, THEN brainiac turns on the thrusters. It stands to reason that the thrusters did not add much, since superman was straining before they were turned on.

Moreover, brainiac also states that warworld is in a position of "delicate balance" -- I don't know about you, but I do not turn on the jets when I am carrying fine china.

Finally, warworld is a moon. An average planet is hundreds or thousands of times larger than a moon. And destroying something takes far more power than moving it. Finally, note that thanos destroyed a planet before at least a 10x upgrade in strength by death. Probably closer to 100x.