Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by 753
from the comic. it is the reason he didnt want to do battle with him as he was actually planning on doing other things.

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yeah, he has beaten, sometimes stomped, the silver surfer, x-man, thor, classic drax, the maker, lord mar-vell (a couple of which are astronomically more powerfull than SM) the list goes on. your perceptions on SM's "level" are dellusional

what a joke this last argument is. and flying in circles can be countered with AoE attacks. it is that simple.

for example;

Why do you think threads of Superman vs Silver Surfer inevitably end up with him doing ridiculous out of character shit like flying backwards at light speed emitting red solar radiation in 360 degrees while wearing a kryptonite belt?

Because should he ever get close enough to throw down with Superman, it would end up much worse for him than it did when he retardedly stood in front of Thanos, because Superman is far more physically imposing than he is.

Oh, and- suggesting that you're seeking to avoid a confrontation with Hulk, while on a mission out in space that has absolutely nothing to do with Earth entirely, would be a moot point. It's clear what he's conveying, I don't know why you'd want to twist it into something it's not.

I spit up my water when I read that superman is more physically imposing than Thanos... You do realize the dimensions of both don't you Juntai? Thanos is by far more physically imposing of the two. Shoot Thor is more physically imposing than Superman. For the life of me... I still don't understand how you still feel like Superman beats people above him because he's that powerful, when in fact, many times it's because he's HAS TO WIN. That is something you just can't get around and never can. As I stated before, if Superman lost the final battle even 20% of the time your line of thinking would have credibility. The fact that he NEVER EVER fails in the end is proof positive that it's him beind DC's poster boy giving him the win not his powerset. There is just no way around that fact. Unless of course you're going to deny how movies and comics and pretty much all genre's all do the same.. the good guys win in the end..

Tell me Juntai.. besides speed name me areas superman is Thanos superior? The way I see it, Thanos is superman's superior in way way more areas than the opposite. Would you agree or not? If not, please list for me all the areas Superman in Thanos superior. Lastly, the reaction feats referenced by myself and Vince... do you feel they show Thanos can and has reacted to fast blitzes and could do so to superman?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I spit up my water when I read that superman is more physically imposing than Thanos... You do realize the dimensions of both don't you Juntai? Thanos is by far more physically imposing of the two. Shoot Thor is more physically imposing than Superman. For the life of me... I still don't understand how you still feel like Superman beats people above him because he's that powerful, when in fact, many times it's because he's HAS TO WIN. Th

You're right, imposing is the wrong word. However he is still more imposing as well, just in a different way than size. But what I meant to write, is that he's far more of a threat in a straight up face to face, physical confrontation. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Tell me Juntai.. besides speed name me areas superman is Thanos superior? The way I see it, Thanos is superman's superior in way way more areas than the opposite. Would you agree or not? If not, please list for me all the areas Superman in Thanos superior. Lastly, the reaction feats referenced by myself and Vince... do you feel they show Thanos can and has reacted to fast blitzes and could do so to superman?

... . you know, I realize, in naming off everything that Superman is better than Thanos at, in combat, I'd eventually name off almost everything having to do with combat. Save perhaps durability, which Superman is also no joke in at the end of the day, and has feats in that area that outstrip almost anyone, but averages I'd give Thanos a nod probably.

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Originally posted by Juntai
This is all complete trash. All heros win in the end because they have to. Such a process is not applicable here. Only wins, and losses, strengths and weaknesses.

You're right, imposing is the wrong word. However he is still more imposing as well, just in a different way than size. But what I meant to write, is that he's far more of a threat in a straight up face to face, physical confrontation. 🙂

I'm unclear how such a process is not appilcable here, when in fact, it's very applicable here. No amount of trying to forget that superman ALWAYS wins, even again people stated to be well above him, is proof positive it's applicable. You're basically telling me, yes Hero's have to win, but who cares, lets just count those as wins and forget that he always has to win to save the universe. Nah, it doesn't work that way.

Even you clarification doesn't make any sense as he isn't more physically imposing in any ways shape or form. Thanos casually pimp slaps people who have strength feats to match Superman. He casually dismisses then as weak feebs. So no, he's more physicallly imposing in tha tway at all. Thanos laughs and mocks heralds who tries to step to him and casually dismisses them. Superman, losses the first fight usually by getting crushed to build up the climax of his final victory in the end. Which is more scary the person who casually defeats heralds with ease or th eperson who losses the first time only to come back and barely win? The answer is obvious.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm unclear how such a process is not appilcable here, when in fact, it's very applicable here. No amount of trying to forget that superman ALWAYS wins, even again people stated to be well above him, is proof positive it's applicable. You're basically telling me, yes Hero's have to win, but who cares, lets just count those as wins and forget that he always has to win to save the universe. Nah, it doesn't work that way.

Even you clarification doesn't make any sense as he isn't more physically imposing in any ways shape or form. Thanos casually pimp slaps people who have strength feats to match Superman. He casually dismisses then as weak feebs. So no, he's more physicallly imposing in tha tway at all. Thanos laughs and mocks heralds who tries to step to him and casually dismisses them. Superman, losses the first fight usually by getting crushed to build up the climax of his final victory in the end. Which is more scary the person who casually defeats heralds with ease or th eperson who losses the first time only to come back and barely win? The answer is obvious.

And no, saying he wins because he has to, isn't an applicable debate. It's foolishness and reeks of the irrational and desperate.

Originally posted by Juntai
Astronomically more powerful in perception alone. Not more effective in combat. None of them have done what he's done, and defeated who he's defeated.

for example;

Why do you think threads of Superman vs Silver Surfer inevitably end up with him doing ridiculous out of character shit like flying backwards at light speed emitting red solar radiation in 360 degrees while wearing a kryptonite belt?

Because should he ever get close enough to throw down with Superman, it would end up much worse for him than it did when he retardedly stood in front of Thanos, because Superman is far more physically imposing than he is.

SM's only physical advantage over thanos is speed.

and lol at SM having defeated more powerfull beings overall than the folks I listed. SS has killed aegis and tenebras and tactically defeat korvac. thor defeated glory. lord mar-vell vaporized magus with a thought and walked throguh a team of heralds. not to mention drax ripped a star apart and maker is a cosmic cube being

I don't consider Darkseid on Thanos level... who else have Supes defeated in a fight that's on Thanos level?

Originally posted by Juntai
Herald levelers are like insects to Darkseid. Superman slaps him around like a ho. He's far more imposing. See how easy it is playing the name>name>name game? Superman's even better at that garbage than Thanos. lol.

And no, saying he wins because he has to, isn't an applicable debate. It's foolishness and reeks of the irrational and desperate.

Originally posted by 753
lol ss does not need to do shit that's out of character to beat superman and doesnt have to exploit his weaknesses either. he wins just the same.

SM's only physical advantage over thanos is speed.

and lol at SM having defeated more powerfull beings overall than the folks I listed. SS has killed aegis and tenebras and tactically defeat korvac. thor defeated glory. lord mar-vell vaporized magus with a thought and walked throguh a team of heralds. not to mention drax ripped a star apart and maker is a cosmic cube being

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman is also a run away in the strength department. You already said speed. Flight. Thinking on the fly in a combat scenario to a newly introduced element. Hand to hand combat skill, not martial arts mind you, plain and simply; effectiveness. ....

... . you know, I realize, in naming off everything that Superman is better than Thanos at, in combat, I'd eventually name off almost everything having to do with combat. Save perhaps durability, which Superman is also no joke in at the end of the day, and has feats in that area that outstrip almost anyone, but averages I'd give Thanos a nod probably.

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Ummmm no you wouldn't just end up naming things related to combat because superman isn't superior in all areas, not even most areas... Strength.. nah I'm not buying that in the least. Sure Superman has space cheese feats to save the uinverse, but again, that IS WHAT HE HAS TO DO. He's isn't going to fail as that wouldn't make for good reading for the majority. Him having more space cheese feats is indicative of him being a hero and thanos a villian more than Superman being stronger. If you can name me 5 situations where Thanos had to lift something or pull something to save the day... I'll concede Superman is stronger. Until then, Thanos is a villian, he won't have such feats to compare with. Thus it's ludicris to try and make such a comparison and draw a definate conclusion from it. Thanos strength is documented from his overpowering of people that have these same feats Superman does. Thanos mocks their strength and teats them like feebs. When these people have feats to match Superman.. what does that say... Thanos is clearly every bit as strong as superman if not stronger.

H2h combat skills? wtf.. Ummm no. As you stated yourself Thanos is more adept at MA. So, how can you concede that point, and then go, but superman is better at h2h combat? You do realize MA and knowing a lot more MA than Superman means his h2h skills would be better. Superman punching faster and cool fast moving lines doesn't mean he's better at h2h combat, it means he's punching really fast.

You just named a whole bunch of stuff that really has only to do with h2h combat... but really not much else. Thanos is superior in durability, TP, TK, Matter Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Intelligence, Tech, Blasting Power, Striking Power, MA, Teleportation (who needs flight when you can teleport with ease)... These are just some of the many more ways Thanos has to win a fight than Superman. Which by the way you never answered... You give Superman the majoirty against Thanos.. even though Thanos is superior in virtually most every way?

Originally posted by 753
but we all know that is DS jobbing/being watered down

Originally posted by Juntai
Laughable. If we're going to completely throw context to the wind, Superman beat Anti Life, threw down with Infinity Man empowered by The Source, and defeated Mandrakk, and shit, this was all in a couple months time.

lol that is exactly the point, SM can only defeat beings outside the power range of the guys I listed with the help of PIS, which everyone in comics does and outside of A and T, there really is no context to what I mentioned.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh, you're going to use the Superman winning because he has to argument too?

Clarify your stance... So your'e saying Superman doesn't just win because he's a hero and that has nothing to do with anything... or are you saying.. yes that is true he does... but it still counts as wins?

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh, you're going to use the Superman winning because he has to argument too?

Im still waiting to see just exactly who SM defeated in a straight fight that is outside the range of thanos or the folks I listed that have been defeated by him

Originally posted by Juntai
That doesn't really apply in context. It was clear he meant he'd rather never be on the worse end of battling The Hulk. But hey, whatever you want to believe. 😉

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm no you wouldn't just end up naming things related to combat because superman isn't superior in all areas, not even most areas... Strength.. nah I'm not buying that in the least. Sure Superman has space cheese feats to save the uinverse, but again, that IS WHAT HE HAS TO DO. He's isn't going to fail as that wouldn't make for good reading for the majority. Him having more space cheese feats is indicative of him being a hero and thanos a villian more than Superman being stronger. If you can name me 5 situations where Thanos had to lift something or pull something to save the day... I'll concede Superman is stronger. Until then, Thanos is a villian, he won't have such feats to compare with. Thus it's ludicris to try and make such a comparison and draw a definate conclusion from it. Thanos strength is documented from his overpowering of people that have these same feats Superman does. Thanos mocks their strength and teats them like feebs. When these people have feats to match Superman.. what does that say... Thanos is clearly every bit as strong as superman if not stronger.

H2h combat skills? wtf.. Ummm no. As you stated yourself Thanos is more adept at MA. So, how can you concede that point, and then go, but superman is better at h2h combat? You do realize MA and knowing a lot more MA than Superman means his h2h skills would be better. Superman punching faster and cool fast moving lines doesn't mean he's better at h2h combat, it means he's punching really fast.

You just named a whole bunch of stuff that really has only to do with h2h combat... but really not much else. Thanos is superior in durability, TP, TK, Matter Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Intelligence, Tech, Blasting Power, Striking Power, MA, Teleportation (who needs flight when you can teleport with ease)... These are just some of the many more ways Thanos has to win a fight than Superman. Which by the way you never answered... You give Superman the majoirty against Thanos.. even though Thanos is superior in virtually most every way?

Blasting power? Prove it. Superman used heat vision to move a planet 16 times the size of Earth, has downed top tiers like Despero in one shot.

Striking power? No. Superman can casually throw punches that destroy moons without even suggesting it's his hardest. He's just surprised when an opponent can stand it for long. It was said in Trinity, it was said against Infinity Man in Death of the New Gods, and it was said against Black Adam. He also once did so in the Lex 2000 special.

Intelligence? He may know more things, but Superman is much better at applying his knowledge in combat situations.

And no, Thanos isn't nearly as physically strong as Superman.

T/P isn't going to help him here. Superman has shrugged off better telepaths with relative ease. Even Martian Manhunter said he couldn't get in Superman's head if Superman didn't allow him. After taking over both Martian Manhunter and Aquaman, two very powerful telepaths, Despero was unable to even phase Superman telepathically. All three of those characters are more accomplished in this department. So yes, Thanos has it, but no, it won't help him.

And no, I give Superman the win against Thanos because he's simply a better combatant in almost every direction.

But there's little use in debating with someone who's primary focus is that "but but.. but. . he does it because he has to!"

So yeah.. something something.. argue with fools... something something who is who.

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Originally posted by 753
no I'll use the: DS doesnt use OE or OS argument to show thta SM's victories over him demand a drop in his IQ.

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He tried to use The OMEGA EFFECT. TERMINATION ITSELF.
What happened? Superman blocked it.
He tried to continue.
Superman was too fast, dodged it.
Then grabbed Darkseid and put him in the way of it.

lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't even concede Martial Arts, but instead was specifying. Superman is far more accomplished in CQC than Thanos ever will be. Or even dream of being.

Blasting power? Prove it. Superman used heat vision to move a planet 16 times the size of Earth, has downed top tiers like Despero in one shot.

Striking power? No. Superman can casually throw punches that destroy moons without even suggesting it's his hardest. He's just surprised when an opponent can stand it for long. It was said in Trinity, it was said against Infinity Man in Death of the New Gods, and it was said against Black Adam. He also once did so in the Lex 2000 special.

Intelligence? He may know more things, but Superman is much better at applying his knowledge in combat situations.

And no, Thanos isn't nearly as physically strong as Superman.

T/P isn't going to help him here. Superman has shrugged off better telepaths with relative ease. Even Martian Manhunter said he couldn't get in Superman's head if Superman didn't allow him. After taking over both Martian Manhunter and Aquaman, two very powerful telepaths, Despero was unable to even phase Superman telepathically. All three of those characters are more accomplished in this department. So yes, Thanos has it, but no, it won't help him.

And no, I give Superman the win against Thanos because he's simply a better combatant in almost every direction.

But there's little use in debating with someone who's primary focus is that "but but.. but. . he does it because he has to!"

Superman's hv has also failed to down WW while going all out. You can't just use one showing ignore how he's normally portrayed. That's called selecting whatever feats you want and ignoring how he's normally portrayed.

Destroying moons, is that supposed to impress Thanos. He's laughed off Surfer's blasts like they were nothing but a harsh gust of wind and he's destroyed planets on panel. Planetary destroying power should be expected at Superman's level it's not something which separates him from the pack.

Yes, he said planetary destroying power in his opinion would beat I m if he hit him long enough. Well that fight didn't last very long and Superman was easily dealt with. The ironic thing is in the same arc Superman was once again shown as a peer to Orion in combat. He's never ever beaten Orion whereas Orion has beaten him. You can pretend Superman is better based off of feats but direct face to face matchups have them as direct equals until proven otherwise. The whole point is planetary punching power isn't and hasn't ever beaten Thanos. People with planetary destroying power really don't even give Thanos a fight. Black adam wasn't defeated either and held his own. He also showed Superman the error of his ways through his wisdom in that particular fight iirc.

Are you kidding ? Thanos wrote the book on quick thinking whereas Superman usually just tries to punch his way out of things. Thanos toys with his opponents like Champion, Runner, etc. He doesn't just try to beat everyone with his fists or overpowering them. He also had a very good gameplan against the Maker. He didn't want to kill her just blank her mind leaving her body alive. He kept her off guard then mindwiped her. Thanos also stopped the Fallen One's advances, purposely held back, and then turned him into Thanos' personal own herald.

Thanos isn't as strong he's stronger. Superman isn't easily overpowering the Hulk or easily dealing with Thor. Superman respected Thor as someone on his own level while at the same time barely beating him. Thanos takes on Thor with friends and with power ups and still hasn't lost unlike Superman who easily went down when his friends jumped in. Thanos doesn't fall while Superman has to far less than Thanos.

You can claim he's 'responses are nothing more than buts but your responses are cherry picked feats while ignoring his on panel comparisons to his peers such as Marvel, Adam, and Orion.