Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos isn't going attack and defeat Superman in a mental game:

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

7) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so.

8) Even Dominus, an abstract trying to replace Kismet, could not defeat Superman in a battle of wills.

9) Even changing the entire structure of the Universe in Emperor Joker, Joker could not keep Superman from snapping out of it and knowing everything was wrong.

Should I go on? Or is that last one, prevailing over a guy who can alter the entire make of reality with a snap, good enough for a concession?

I don't reply to all of it, because the bulk of stuff you say is ridiculous. I've pointed it out several times. There isn't a feasible way to debate "he did it because he has to, but hes not really that powerful". Also- you run off on so many tangents.
For example; what the **** does Mangogs lifting feats have to do with Superman?

I'm here debating Superman, you keep trying to get me to prove shit about dozens of other characters, if you don't know about them, I'm not inclined to teach you.

You see, I've read Thanos Quest, the Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity Watch, Annihilation, tons of other appearances. I've read the issues with Mangog, I know what Xavier is capable of. I've read dozens of Galactus stories.

However,

If you don't know what the other characters being discussed can or cannot do, go educate yourself on them after I'm done educating you on Superman.

So you typed ALL of that which didn't even answer the question I asked. Talk about going to extreme measures to avoid questions and yet looked like you answered "something" Let me be as clear as possible. You're saying TP won't work on superman.. please point out ANY place where I said it would. I was simply naming stuff where Thanos is superior to superman which is what we're discussing. NOT whether specific thing I named would or wouldn't work. I thought basic reading comprehension was something you had, I'm thinking now, I gave you too much credit.

What's worse, I asked you for DESPERO and MM feats that are better than the ones I named from Thanos. Since your argument NOW is that Superman can resist anything Thanos has to offer BECAUSE he has stopped Despero and MM... Then I'm guessing you feel their feats are vastly better than Thanos... you even said "their entire history" says so. So then, can I be any more clear... please name me the feats that put Despero and MM above Thanos in the TP department for you to be certain TP won't work.

Lastly, more red herrings from Juntai eh? Now you're talking about teaching me about characters as if that is what I'm asknig for by my quesitons. Nice try. I'm not asking because I don't know, I'm asking because I DO KNOW and know such feats don't exist. You feel superman is stronger because he's lifted x or pulled y... and using specific space cheese variables to prove superman is stronger. I then asked... name me ANY feats from Thanos where he was lifting or pulling anything to save the universe.. earth... titan... SOMETHING... You avoided the question... I then asked for feats of Despero to prove a point that I thought was quite obvious even for the slowest of people. You claim despero is a team wrecker like Thanos and DS. I agree. Yet, Despero ALSO doesn't have any lifting feats or pulling feats like superman does. Yet, despero is considered by many to be stronger than superman... but wait... H3 Ha5 NO SPAC3 Ch33se for the WINZORS!!!! Get it now... Space cheese lifting feats dont' apply to villians and can't be compared to villians since they don't have them. I cited more examples mangog.. DS... etc etc. Again I guess I gave you too much credit for basic reading comprehension, OR you just twisted the situation so you don't have to answer.. and answer which proves your whole premise and conclusion wrong. Take your pick... I'm going with no. 2.

Guys, the "he wins because he has to" argument doesn't really wash, because DC implicitly makes Superman powerful enough to perform said feats. He isn't Wolverine, doing stuff well above his level when he really shouldn't be. DC intentionally MAKES him powerful enough to perform said feats.

Him winning because he's the hero doesn't negate the fact that most of the time, he has said power to back those victories up.

Seriously, debate the character and debate the feats; don't try to use excuses.

Also:

Long pig, stop bashing.

Quan, stop trolling.

Originally posted by Juntai
9) Even changing the entire structure of the Universe in Emperor Joker, Joker could not keep Superman from snapping out of it and knowing everything was wrong.

Strong mind. Very, very strong.

He resists Hammond’s telepathy when every other super hero could not (including Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, John Stewart, Captain Marvel simultaneously couldn't); Gets close to Hammon’s mind-control machine as the hold becomes stronger, and he still resists it.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/hammondtelepathy1.jpg
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Many people fail to realize that we (the Superman supporters) aren't using Superman's highest feats when it comes to forum fights - and they're lucky the actual trolling fanboys like h1 or shokusogi don't really read that many comics, because if they'd encounter al Superman fanboy in the forum-battles sense of the word, with knowledge on the character and patience to engage into debates, well, let's just say it would make the Surfer fanboys seem like they're backing Batroc.

Still Thanos, because he's far more powerful that Sups. Far more intelligent. Far more equiped. Far more versatile.

Originally posted by Juntai
Physical power doesn't equal blasting power. You and I both know, in comic fighting, punching is the be all end all. Even Beyonder ended up punching and kicking people all the same. lol.

Superman is physically stronger. You have no evidence to suggest otherwise. Hulk and Thor have feats like Superman, once they max out one time in a decade, which isn't against Thanos. Superman is stronger, much stronger, than Hulk or Thor, issue to issue. Showing to showing.

IIRC, Thanos has been knocked around by a Spiderman kick, bashed off planet by Masterson, and smacked around by him repeatedly, I might add, even while in possesion of the power gem. Was even layed out flat while Doom was trying to wrestle the glove off of his hand. lol. Him using the power gem/gauntlet is also the only confrontation I remember between he and Hulk, and that is CLEARLY an amped showing- thus not applicable.

Ironically, Superman beat Darkseid, multiple times. Orion couldn't until the Source brought him back from the dead and empowered him to do it, unless we count the time that Darkseid threw the fight in their battle in Simonson's run.

Oh, and Black Adam backed down as Superman was just getting serious. That was to be Superman's first 'crack a moon in half' punch in that fight, but we know he throws those consecutively to people that can handle them. 🙂 Neither were really 'going at it', prior to that point. I mentioned it for sheer reference of the strength of a blow, you're acting like a true valid showing of a pissed off Superman being unable to put an opponent down when it's the farthest thing from the tru----

WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU BELIEVE THANOS CAN BEAT [b]SPECTRE STRAIGHT UP! WHY AM I EVEN BOTHERING WITH THIS!? [/B]

You have zero evidence to make the case Superman does so and so therefore Thanos can't do it. Superman also wasn't just hip tossing Thor around either their strength was comparative. Superman doesn't grossly outclass either base level savage hulk or Thor. Also saying once a decade is entirely wrong. You act like Thor and Hulk aren't consistently elite top tiers in terms of strength. Feats have never determined strength superiority since both characters haven't attempted the same feat of strength. I go based on how they match up with their peers since all of these feats are usually exclusive to the character performing them.

I might also add Thanos was never I repeat never in danger of being beaten. He also purposely wasn't taking them seriously, depowered himself, and still defeated them all. We've also seen a more serious Thanos take on multiple foes and not go down not like he is usually portrayed as laughing hysterically when his foes are all around him not taking them serious.

Thanos slapped the Hulk after he lost the ig. He also overpowered both the Hulk and the Thing in a quasar issue and is thus applicable.

Who cares if Superman beat darkseid we are talking about Orion. He hasn't ever shown the power or skill needed to edge out Orion but he has with Darkseid. Abc logic doesn't apply when we have these characters actually facing off in the same universe.

Black Adam didn't have motivation for the fight now if Superman shows up when adam is serious he won't ever backdown. the guy took it to the Spectre so don't act like he backed down out of fear. It was a stupid fight to begin with and his cooler head prevailed.

I can use an all out Superman against WW as his blows hit her and he was trying to kill her/Doomsday. He wasn't in the right state of mind but his blows weren't holding back at all.

Yes, I do.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was the Professor Hulk IIRC.

Thanos statement regarding the Hulk was clear. He wouldn't want to get into a close combat battle with him. Not many would.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His comment regarded the hulk it didn't say professor or differentiate it as avoiding the savage hulk so we have an actual showing where Hulk gets in his way and Thanos easily overpowers not only him but the Thing as well.

Professor Hulk didn't even exist at the time the statement was made. Your post wasn't a real argument either way. But that's just the norm with you.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Professor Hulk didn't even exist at the time the statement was made. Your post wasn't a real argument either way. But that's just the norm with you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I can use an all out Superman against WW as his blows hit her and he was trying to kill her/Doomsday. He wasn't in the right state of mind but his blows weren't holding back at all.

No you can't. 😬

The writer even stated that Superman was half out of his mind with grief, and was fighting Max's control. Which explains why Batman survived.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No you can't. 😬

The writer even stated that Superman was half out of his mind with grief, and was fighting Max's control. Which explains why Batman survived.

I didn't say his overall tactics carried over but we see WW getting hit as hard as he can hit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being half out of his mind with grief affects his tactics and mindset it didn't affect the power of his punches.

I didn't say his overall tactics carried over but we see WW getting hit as hard as he can hit.

It does if he's not focusing them properly. i can swing my fist wildly against a plank of wood and hurt my hand. or i can use training to punch through it.

I don't see how.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Different versions of the hulk existed so my statement still applies. If the Hulk gets in Thanos' way he will fight him just like he did. Using one line from Thanos quest and ignoring Thanos slapping and overpowering the Hulk is about as weak an argument as one can get. I guess statements which later are contradicted should be 100 pend all be all proof, amirite ?

😂

Yes, I'm certain there is a real strong possibility the comment was referring to the Grey Hulk and not the Savage Hulk.

facepalm

Thanos avoids a physical confrontation with the Hulk. Starlin did write an intelligent Thanos in that mini after all. 🙂

Dominating the Professor hardly changes anything no matter how badly you want it too. If you think Thanos would take down the Savage Hulk, that's fine. You can even call it PIS, I wouldn't give a shit.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It does if he's not focusing them properly. i can swing my fist wildly against a plank of wood and hurt my hand. or i can use training to punch through it.

I don't see how.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was hitting her properly. The guy almost tossed her into the sun he wasn't swinging wildly and without focus. I can see him fighting a lot smarter but I don't see his punches being anymore ferocious than they were there.

Then you'd be wrong, tbh. shrug

Not to mention the fact that even in his state, she was taking more damage than he was, and she was losing.

superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Then you'd be wrong, tbh. shrug

Not to mention the fact that even in his state, she was taking more damage than he was, and she was losing.

What other examples do you have in mind of Superman going all out with his punches.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point has nothing to do with his state of mind just the power of his punches. The writer made it clear he was doing whatever he could to kill DD which happened to be WW. Mercy was something Superman was out of that day.
She was taking more damage but I mean he grabbed her at superspeed, hv'd her face, and as she evaded a sun toss he temp ko'd her back to earth. It's not easy to start out a fight against a friend when in under two minutes you've already been burned, almost tossed into the sun, and ko'd once.

What other examples do you have in mind of Superman going all out with his punches.

And again, you'd be wrong imo. Force is not nearly as effective without the proper application.

The writer also made it clear that Superman was fighting Max's control.

So imo, it's not an example. Not nearly.

As for actual examples? There aren't many. Killing Doomsday, Punching Black Racer during OWAW... I can't think of many if any others...

Originally posted by -Pr-
And again, you'd be wrong imo. Force is not nearly as effective without the proper application.

The writer also made it clear that Superman was fighting Max's control.

So imo, it's not an example. Not nearly.

As for actual examples? There aren't many. Killing Doomsday, Punching Black Racer during OWAW... I can't think of many if any others...

I think it is an example of pure force not proper application of force. Is that a fair statement ?

Ok. Now let me ask you something. Do you think if the Surfer blasts Superman in his face trying to hurt him he would be affected at all ?

The question of application of force would only matter if he somehow didn't get the full weight of his punches in on Wonder Woman at least once.

As skilled as she is, she definitely would have been rolling with some of them to lessen the blows, but for all of them? Highly Doubtful.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The question of application of force would only matter if he somehow didn't get the full weight of his punches in on Wonder Woman at least once.

As skilled as she is, she definitely would have been rolling with some of them to lessen the blows, but for all of them? Highly Doubtful.