Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't even concede Martial Arts, but instead was specifying. Superman is far more accomplished in CQC than Thanos ever will be. Or even dream of being.

Blasting power? Prove it. Superman used heat vision to move a planet 16 times the size of Earth, has downed top tiers like Despero in one shot.

Striking power? No. Superman can casually throw punches that destroy moons without even suggesting it's his hardest. He's just surprised when an opponent can stand it for long. It was said in Trinity, it was said against Infinity Man in Death of the New Gods, and it was said against Black Adam. He also once did so in the Lex 2000 special.

Intelligence? He may know more things, but Superman is much better at applying his knowledge in combat situations.

And no, Thanos isn't nearly as physically strong as Superman.

T/P isn't going to help him here. Superman has shrugged off better telepaths with relative ease. Even Martian Manhunter said he couldn't get in Superman's head if Superman didn't allow him. After taking over both Martian Manhunter and Aquaman, two very powerful telepaths, Despero was unable to even phase Superman telepathically. All three of those characters are more accomplished in this department. So yes, Thanos has it, but no, it won't help him.

And no, I give Superman the win against Thanos because he's simply a better combatant in almost every direction.

But there's little use in debating with someone who's primary focus is that "but but.. but. . he does it because he has to!"

Primary focus... I just named much more things Thanos is superior at than you can name Superman being superior at. I ask questions and you just avoid them and go... but.. but.. superman is stronger because he pulled Warworld.... what is going to be pulling Thanos around or something? How the F is that applicable. Answer this question... Name me 5 instances where Thanos has had to lift something or pull something to save himself or the universe? Just five is all, if you can name them, I will concede Superman is stronger. Why.. because we can then make a direct comparison between the two. If not, then how can you compare Superman feats against someone who won't have them. Put it this way, why do people consider Despero a beast and even stronger than Superman in some cases... Because of him tooling superman and the league like weak feebs. NOT I repeat NOT because he has lifting or pulling feats. This is the EXACT case with Thanos and yo u know. The only person desperate here is you trying to force a one sided comparison using only one criteria to determine who is stronger. sorry doesn't work that way. Again name me despero or Thanos pulling or lifting feats.. if you can I'll concede.. if you can't.. then you'll have to concede your criteria for judging strength fails when applying them to villians.

Next, what on earth makes you think MM and Despero are more accomplished at TP than Thanos? Regardless, of whether you believe that or not, isn't the point, Thanos dominates superman in that area plain and simple. Much like he dominates him in virtually all areas.

Are you honestly questioning blasting power and striking power? Thanos was matching or close to matching the blasting power of an abstract level being (In betweener). Something superman has never done.. should I use that as the only variable for judging blasting power like you tried to do with strength lol. Thor, Hulk, Drax and a HOST of other heroes couldn't break Quasar construct and repeated hits.. Thanos ONE shots it. Thor, Hulk, Drax.. all have feats very comparable to superman in the punching, blasting and strength department and NONE of them at the same time could break it. Thanos one shots it with ease. Thanos blasting galactus miles with one shot is something Thor with a Godblast could never do. Thor and countless others never moved Galactus the way Thanos did with ease. Superman has NEVER one shot killed a herald level being like Thanos has.... he one shot killed Warlock with the soul gem, One shot killed drax and phyla with ease. Blasting power isn't even close and notice all you could name was one space cheese feat to save the uinverse and blasting Despero who has shit durability, and funny enough, had previously made the justice league look like weak feebs including superman.

Punching power... another one that isn't even close... The moon that superman busted that you try and use as a punchign power feat... KO'd him in the process.. how bad is that lol. Thanos CASUALLY dismisses herald level characters ONLY needed a slap to put them down. Superman has to work hard and hit people multiple times to put them down. Thanos punches high herald level people to the brink of death in a few punches.. please show Superman doing so..

Intelligence... did I actually see you try and argue this point? Thanos has created tech Superman couldn't even dream of. I can't believe you actually tried to argue this point. Thanos is renowed in the marvel universe as being equal to and even stated to be superior to Marvel's best minds.. Including Doom and Reed. Please show me feats whether superman has built the tech Thanos has or had narration comparing him to the elite in DC and even above them. This category isn't even close and it smells of desperation that you even tried to argue this point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]That does it. I cannot stand it anymore.

Superman's hv has also failed to down WW while going all out. You can't just use one showing ignore how he's normally portrayed. That's called selecting whatever feats you want and ignoring how he's normally portrayed.

Destroying moons, is that supposed to impress Thanos. He's laughed off Surfer's blasts like they were nothing but a harsh gust of wind and he's destroyed planets on panel. Planetary destroying power shouldected at Superman's level it's not something which separates him from the pack.

Yes, he said planetary destroying power in his opinion would beat I m if he hit him long enough. Well that fight didn't last very long and Superman was easily dealt with. You can pretend Superman is better based off of feats

Originally posted by long pig
Face it, my sad little friend, Juntai destroyed you, ate your lunch and banged your mamma. Superman's Feats far surpass Thanos'. Sup wins, you lose. 🙂 😂

Dude!! That is cold!!

LOL!!!!

Superman has created shit loads of insane tech. I'm not being a dick but what's Thanos greatest TP feat?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That does it. I cannot stand it anymore.

Superman's hv has also failed to down WW while going all out. You can't just use one showing ignore how he's normally portrayed. That's called selecting whatever feats you want and ignoring how he's normally portrayed.

Destroying moons, is that supposed to impress Thanos. He's laughed off Surfer's blasts like they were nothing but a harsh gust of wind and he's destroyed planets on panel. Planetary destroying power should be expected at Superman's level it's not something which separates him from the pack.

Yes, he said planetary destroying power in his opinion would beat I m if he hit him long enough. Well that fight didn't last very long and Superman was easily dealt with. The ironic thing is in the same arc Superman was once again shown as a peer to Orion in combat. He's never ever beaten Orion whereas Orion has beaten him. You can pretend Superman is better based off of feats but direct face to face matchups have them as direct equals until proven otherwise. The whole point is planetary punching power isn't and hasn't ever beaten Thanos. People with planetary destroying power really don't even give Thanos a fight. Black adam wasn't defeated either and held his own. He also showed Superman the error of his ways through his wisdom in that particular fight iirc.

Are you kidding ? Thanos wrote the book on quick thinking whereas Superman usually just tries to punch his way out of things. Thanos toys with his opponents like Champion, Runner, etc. He doesn't just try to beat everyone with his fists or overpowering them. He also had a very good gameplan against the Maker. He didn't want to kill her just blank her mind leaving her body alive. He kept her off guard then mindwiped her. Thanos also stopped the Fallen One's advances, purposely held back, and then turned him into Thanos' personal own herald.

Thanos isn't as strong he's stronger. Superman isn't easily overpowering the Hulk or easily dealing with Thor. Superman respected Thor as someone on his own level while at the same time barely beating him. Thanos takes on Thor with friends and with power ups and still hasn't lost unlike Superman who easily went down when his friends jumped in. Thanos doesn't fall while Superman has to far less than Thanos.

You can claim he's 'responses are nothing more than buts but your responses are cherry picked feats while ignoring his on panel comparisons to his peers such as Marvel, Adam, and Orion.

Superman is physically stronger. You have no evidence to suggest otherwise. Hulk and Thor have feats like Superman, once they max out one time in a decade, which isn't against Thanos. Superman is stronger, much stronger, than Hulk or Thor, issue to issue. Showing to showing.

IIRC, Thanos has been knocked around by a Spiderman kick, bashed off planet by Masterson, and smacked around by him repeatedly, I might add, even while in possesion of the power gem. Was even layed out flat while Doom was trying to wrestle the glove off of his hand. lol. Him using the power gem/gauntlet is also the only confrontation I remember between he and Hulk, and that is CLEARLY an amped showing- thus not applicable.

Ironically, Superman beat Darkseid, multiple times. Orion couldn't until the Source brought him back from the dead and empowered him to do it, unless we count the time that Darkseid threw the fight in their battle in Simonson's run.

Oh, and Black Adam backed down as Superman was just getting serious. That was to be Superman's first 'crack a moon in half' punch in that fight, but we know he throws those consecutively to people that can handle them. 🙂 Neither were really 'going at it', prior to that point. I mentioned it for sheer reference of the strength of a blow, you're acting like a true valid showing of a pissed off Superman being unable to put an opponent down when it's the farthest thing from the tru----

WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU BELIEVE THANOS CAN BEAT SPECTRE STRAIGHT UP! WHY AM I EVEN BOTHERING WITH THIS!?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Punching power... another one that isn't even close... The moon that superman busted that you try and use as a punchign power feat... KO'd him in the process.. how bad is that lol.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Primary focus... I just named much more things Thanos is superior at than you can name Superman being superior at. I ask questions and you just avoid them and go... but.. but.. superman is stronger because he pulled Warworld.... what is going to be pulling Thanos around or something? How the F is that applicable. Answer this question... Name me 5 instances where Thanos has had to lift something or pull something to save himself or the universe? Just five is all, if you can name them, I will concede Superman is stronger. Why.. because we can then make a direct comparison between the two. If not, then how can you compare Superman feats against someone who won't have them. Put it this way, why do people consider Despero a beast and even stronger than Superman in some cases... Because of him tooling superman and the league like weak feebs. NOT I repeat NOT because he has lifting or pulling feats. This is the EXACT case with Thanos and yo u know. The only person desperate here is you trying to force a one sided comparison using only one criteria to determine who is stronger. sorry doesn't work that way. Again name me despero or Thanos pulling or lifting feats.. if you can I'll concede.. if you can't.. then you'll have to concede your criteria for judging strength fails when applying them to villians.

Next, what on earth makes you think MM and Despero are more accomplished at TP than Thanos? Regardless, of whether you believe that or not, isn't the point, Thanos dominates superman in that area plain and simple. Much like he dominates him in virtually all areas.

Are you honestly questioning blasting power and striking power? Thanos was matching or close to matching the blasting power of an abstract level being (In betweener). Something superman has never done.. should I use that as the only variable for judging blasting power like you tried to do with strength lol. Thor, Hulk, Drax and a HOST of other heroes couldn't break Quasar construct and repeated hits.. Thanos ONE shots it. Thor, Hulk, Drax.. all have feats very comparable to superman in the punching, blasting and strength department and NONE of them at the same time could break it. Thanos one shots it with ease. Thanos blasting galactus miles with one shot is something Thor with a Godblast could never do. Thor and countless others never moved Galactus the way Thanos did with ease. Superman has NEVER one shot killed a herald level being like Thanos has.... he one shot killed Warlock with the soul gem, One shot killed drax and phyla with ease. Blasting power isn't even close and notice all you could name was one space cheese feat to save the uinverse and blasting Despero who has shit durability, and funny enough, had previously made the justice league look like weak feebs including superman.

Punching power... another one that isn't even close... The moon that superman busted that you try and use as a punchign power feat... KO'd him in the process.. how bad is that lol. Thanos CASUALLY dismisses herald level characters ONLY needed a slap to put them down. Superman has to work hard and hit people multiple times to put them down. Thanos punches high herald level people to the brink of death in a few punches.. please show Superman doing so..

Intelligence... did I actually see you try and argue this point? Thanos has created tech Superman couldn't even dream of. I can't believe you actually tried to argue this point. Thanos is renowed in the marvel universe as being equal to and even stated to be superior to Marvel's best minds.. Including Doom and Reed. Please show me feats whether superman has built the tech Thanos has or had narration comparing him to the elite in DC and even above them. This category isn't even close and it smells of desperation that you even tried to argue this point.

Answer me this.

How is Thanos dealing with Superman?
TP? No. Absolutely not. Better have tried, and failed.
Hand to Hand? Superman smashes him in everything doing with CQC, and mostly combat in general, as I've highlighted over several posts.

OH I KNOW.

HE USES HIS ELITE ENERGY MANIPULATION F34TS AND FLIES, NO, TELEPORTS BACKWARDS AT LIGHT SPEED EMITTING RED RADIATION AND KRYPTONITE.

AND SUPERMAN ONLY WINS BECAUSE HE HAS TO.
OTHERWISE HES NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE.

If you didn't notice, I hardly take your posts seriously, Thanosi. Obviously you've trolled, nuthugged, been proven wrong, time and time again regarding Thanos, much like Quan, and never took a step back to even reanalyze.

It's hard for me to take shit serious when your post says stuff like;

Next, what on earth makes you think MM and Despero are more accomplished at TP than Thanos?

Punching power... another one that isn't even close... The moon that superman busted that you try and use as a punchign power feat... KO'd him in the process.. how bad is that lol.

And last but not least. The ultimate argument.

superman wins because he HAS to

Yeah.

Just as it is for me to take Quan serious, when over in the other thread, he's arguing that Thanos will overpower a guy that can create universes and shit.

I've proved my points. I needn't debate them with you, until someone better than you comes along to trade thoughts with me, I don't have the patience I once had.

So then someone better than me would tool you even worse? I get it, you can't answer very simple and basic questions beause they destroy your whole argument and premise. So instead, you run and hide behind the cover of... I'm too good to debate with you LOL LMAO. Thanks for the laugh buddy, that really amused me. The fact is, you dodged questions and cherry picked my post in an obvious attempt to side step admitting where your wrong, while at the same time acting like you won somethning. You won nothing, I named multiple areas Thanos is superman superior and you named less. I asked you simple basic questions you refuse to answer. If you did even answer you go.. Their whole history proves such.. really... so then.. it should be really easy for you to name feats that are well beyond...

Stopping some of the top telepaths in the marvel universe with ease.. I'm talking about blocking xavier and moondragon at the same time with ease. I'm talking about winning a TP war with Moondragon WITH the mind gme. I'm talking about resisting being shut down mentally by mantis, moondragon and others while weakened. I'm talking about almost getting the better of Galactus and breaking through his defenses. Of course, i'm sure since MM, aquaman and Despero "must" have feats easily better than these.. since of of course they tried TP on supes and it failed.

Still waiting on the question... please name me any lifting feats for Despero, Mangog, Thanos or DS... how about 5 total?

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33202/1529972-pis_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33202/1529973-morepis_super.jpg

He tried to use The OMEGA EFFECT. TERMINATION ITSELF.
What happened? Superman blocked it.
He tried to continue.
Superman was too fast, dodged it.
Then grabbed Darkseid and put him in the way of it.

lol.

who did superman defeat straight up that was outside the range of foes thanos has defeated and the ones they defeated?

i didn't read a single text wall in the last two pages

i win

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So then someone better than me would tool you even worse? I get it, you can't answer very simple and basic questions beause they destroy your whole argument and premise. So instead, you run and hide behind the cover of... I'm too good to debate with you LOL LMAO. Thanks for the laugh buddy, that really amused me. The fact is, you dodged questions and cherry picked my post in an obvious attempt to side step admitting where your wrong, while at the same time acting like you won somethning. You won nothing, I named multiple areas Thanos is superman superior and you named less. I asked you simple basic questions you refuse to answer. If you did even answer you go.. Their whole history proves such.. really... so then.. it should be really easy for you to name feats that are well beyond...

Stopping some of the top telepaths in the marvel universe with ease.. I'm talking about blocking xavier and moondragon at the same time with ease. I'm talking about winning a TP war with Moondragon WITH the mind gme. I'm talking about resisting being shut down mentally by mantis, moondragon and others while weakened. I'm talking about almost getting the better of Galactus and breaking through his defenses. Of course, i'm sure since MM, aquaman and Despero "must" have feats easily better than these.. since of of course they tried TP on supes and it failed.

Still waiting on the question... please name me any lifting feats for Despero, Mangog, Thanos or DS... how about 5 total?

Concession accepted.

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

7) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so.

8) Even Dominus, an abstract trying to replace Kismet, could not defeat Superman in a battle of wills.

9) Even changing the entire structure of the Universe in Emperor Joker, Joker could not keep Superman from snapping out of it and knowing everything was wrong.

Should I go on? Or is that last one, prevailing over a guy who can alter the entire make of reality with a snap, good enough for a concession?

I don't reply to all of it, because the bulk of stuff you say is ridiculous. I've pointed it out several times. There isn't a feasible way to debate "he did it because he has to, but hes not really that powerful". Also- you run off on so many tangents.
For example; what the **** does Mangogs lifting feats have to do with Superman?

I'm here debating Superman, you keep trying to get me to prove shit about dozens of other characters, if you don't know about them, I'm not inclined to teach you.

You see, I've read Thanos Quest, the Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity Watch, Annihilation, tons of other appearances. I've read the issues with Mangog, I know what Xavier is capable of. I've read dozens of Galactus stories.

However,

If you don't know what the other characters being discussed can or cannot do, go educate yourself on them after I'm done educating you on Superman.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i didn't read a single text wall in the last two pages

i win

Originally posted by Juntai
Since I couldn't find that post of Long Pigs, or perhaps you edited it to make it say that.

Long pig's post is in the first page. Even he knows Superman has no chance, he's just trolling for fun saying Thanos loses.

I'll reply to this- I don't have the scan on hand anymore, and the one in the respect thread I saw wasn't working, but I'm fairly sure I remember him following that line saying it was a confrontation he sought to avoid.

I have the scan, and like everyone else is saying, it means he doesn't want to waste time fighting a brute like the Hulk. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the power to defeat Hulk, when evidence suggest he has more than enough power.

Here's him physically owning Hulk and Thing together with ease, and even derogating their strength while doing so
http://tinypic.com/r/20zzhpv/7

I thought this Thanos being afraid of Hulk myth was put to rest ages ago, I guess not.

Originally posted by vince_slice

I have the scan, and like everyone else is saying, it means he doesn't want to waste time fighting a brute like the Hulk. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the power to defeat Hulk, when evidence suggest he has more than enough power.

Here's him physically owning Hulk and Thing together with ease, and even derogating their strength while doing so
http://tinypic.com/r/20zzhpv/7

I thought this Thanos being afraid of Hulk myth was put to rest ages ago, I guess not.

Originally posted by vince_slice
http://tinypic.com/r/20zzhpv/7

Originally posted by Philosophía
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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/BSupermanVLoboLarGand2.jpg

ha-som

Originally posted by Juntai
I was merely correcting the quote, and pointing out that in context, it was exactly what he meant. I also never suggested he was afraid.

As long as you understand Thanos can easily handle the Hulk physically, which was the point of that scan I posted.

That was the Professor Hulk IIRC.

Thanos statement regarding the Hulk was clear. He wouldn't want to get into a close combat battle with him. Not many would.