Thanos vs Superman

Started by -Pr-399 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree if he had a clearer head he'd have been more effective but his tactics were still pretty ruthless and effective anyways.

I think it is an example of pure force not proper application of force. Is that a fair statement ?

Ok. Now let me ask you something. Do you think if the Surfer blasts Superman in his face trying to hurt him he would be affected at all ?

Of course he would. Then Superman would, as he usually does, brace himself and force Surfer to use more powerful blasts.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you typed ALL of that which didn't even answer the question I asked. Talk about going to extreme measures to avoid questions and yet looked like you answered "something" Let me be as clear as possible. You're saying TP won't work on superman.. please point out ANY place where I said it would. I was simply naming stuff where Thanos is superior to superman which is what we're discussing. NOT whether specific thing I named would or wouldn't work. I thought basic reading comprehension was something you had, I'm thinking now, I gave you too much credit.

What's worse, I asked you for DESPERO and MM feats that are better than the ones I named from Thanos. Since your argument NOW is that Superman can resist anything Thanos has to offer BECAUSE he has stopped Despero and MM... Then I'm guessing you feel their feats are vastly better than Thanos... you even said "their entire history" says so. So then, can I be any more clear... please name me the feats that put Despero and MM above Thanos in the TP department for you to be certain TP won't work.

Lastly, more red herrings from Juntai eh? Now you're talking about teaching me about characters as if that is what I'm asknig for by my quesitons. Nice try. I'm not asking because I don't know, I'm asking because I DO KNOW and know such feats don't exist. You feel superman is stronger because he's lifted x or pulled y... and using specific space cheese variables to prove superman is stronger. I then asked... name me ANY feats from Thanos where he was lifting or pulling anything to save the universe.. earth... titan... SOMETHING... You avoided the question... I then asked for feats of Despero to prove a point that I thought was quite obvious even for the slowest of people. You claim despero is a team wrecker like Thanos and DS. I agree. Yet, Despero ALSO doesn't have any lifting feats or pulling feats like superman does. Yet, despero is considered by many to be stronger than superman... but wait... H3 Ha5 NO SPAC3 Ch33se for the WINZORS!!!! Get it now... Space cheese lifting feats dont' apply to villians and can't be compared to villians since they don't have them. I cited more examples mangog.. DS... etc etc. Again I guess I gave you too much credit for basic reading comprehension, OR you just twisted the situation so you don't have to answer.. and answer which proves your whole premise and conclusion wrong. Take your pick... I'm going with no. 2.

It's beside the point.. Darkseid, Despero, Thanos. None of them are physically stronger than Superman. Quit running off on tangents.

I never said anything in this thread about Despero being a team wrecker, but OK, put in my mouth if you feel it helps your argument.

It doesn't matter what Despero and Martian Manhunter can or cannot do, that's just another tangent. I'm debating Superman. I even showed nearly a dozen different ones. Even a couple of characters capable of changing entire realities, where unable to subdue Superman's mental prowess. Does Thanos have the ability to do Telepathy while Superman doesn't? Sure, I suppose, but it's entirely useless here anyway, so it's not an -advantage- that he holds over Superman.

Most everything to do with combat confrontation between the two, as I pointed out earlier, Superman is better at. But if you want to go off and name things you feel Thanos is better at, but won't help him anyways, you might as well add being fat, being purple, flying spaceships, etc.

I see what you're attempting to do though, make a joke out every striking and lifting and overpowering a villain or hero physically feat, so we can pretend that Thanos is in the same league as Superman physically. Which is exactly what we would need to do, I suppose, ignore all the evidence that suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
Since you brought this up: at the end of that arc, Spectre transferred the universal pain/suffering Batman was enduring after having been manipulated by Joker, to Superman. The aforementioned mental anguish was so extreme that it made Bruce completely insane, and would have killed him (per Spectre) - yet Superman suffered absolutely no ill-effect when Spectre transferred it to him.

Strong mind. Very, very strong.

I have that scan. Not sure how to post it. Its from action comics 770 page 33. On the very next page, he sups clocks the spectre.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Of course he would. Then Superman would, as he usually does, brace himself and force Surfer to use more powerful blasts.
Ok, my point was never it would defeat Superman only it'd definitely have an effect on him unlike Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, my point was never it would defeat Superman only it'd definitely have an effect on him unlike Thanos.

So? Superman being easier to knock down than Thanos isn't really a barometer over who is easier to beat.

[QUOTE=13355534]Originally posted by vince_slice

Here's him physically owning Hulk and Thing together with ease, and even derogating their strength while doing so
http://tinypic.com/r/20zzhpv/7

If hes so much above them physically why is it that Hulk and Thor are easilly handling Thanos with one hand each here(casually too)

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i may not agree with everything he says, but jun has always been one of my fave posters and he makes some great points. supes IS unique, and i've always believed he would give thanos a better battle than any of his marvel 'peers'. good to see you in here and getting dirty juntai. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
i may not agree with everything he says, but jun has always been one of my fave posters and he makes some great points. supes IS unique, and i've always believed he would give thanos a better battle than any of his marvel 'peers'. good to see you in here and getting dirty juntai. 😄
I always enjoyed this, but I see not much has changed since I stopped frequenting.

Playstation Network has been down, so I've been striving for different forms of entertainment. I'm sure I'll probably vanish again before long with only a post every once in a great while.

I'll go back to playing MAG in my spare time once it's back up.

And not everyone will agree with everything I say, but no one can argue that my points aren't concise; well thought out, and well represented.

Some might even blindly suggest I'm just a fanboy, even though Superman isn't my favorite character, hell, he might not even be in my top 5 if I made a list.

I just have a better understanding of the character than most, in a similar way to Rage with Thor, I suppose.

Originally posted by leonidas
i may not agree with everything he says, but jun has always been one of my fave posters and he makes some great points.
👆

Thank you, Leo and Parmaniac. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
It's beside the point.. Darkseid, Despero, Thanos. None of them are physically stronger than Superman. Quit running off on tangents.

I never said anything in this thread about Despero being a team wrecker, but OK, put in my mouth if you feel it helps your argument.

It doesn't matter what Despero and Martian Manhunter can or cannot do, that's just another tangent. I'm debating Superman. I even showed nearly a dozen different ones. Even a couple of characters capable of changing entire realities, where unable to subdue Superman's mental prowess. Does Thanos have the ability to do Telepathy while Superman doesn't? Sure, I suppose, but it's entirely useless here anyway, so it's not an -advantage- that he holds over Superman.

Most everything to do with combat confrontation between the two, as I pointed out earlier, Superman is better at. But if you want to go off and name things you feel Thanos is better at, but won't help him anyways, you might as well add being fat, being purple, flying spaceships, etc.

I see what you're attempting to do though, make a joke out every striking and lifting and overpowering a villain or hero physically feat, so we can pretend that Thanos is in the same league as Superman physically. Which is exactly what we would need to do, I suppose, ignore all the evidence that suggests otherwise.

No actually it's not besides the point at all.. it's EXACTLY THE POINT that you have no answer to. Let me make this real simple for you buddy.. You're basing superman being stronger on his feats.. his lifting.. pulling feats are the exact ones you're basing his strength on. Problem is, villians DON'T have feats such as these... Do they? So then, how exactly can you make a direct comparison between two parties when one doesn't perfrom the same type of feats? The answer.. you can't use that as your criteria. To go a step further... Despero is a team wrecker... Shoot is was tossing around your blue boy and the rest of the league like weak feebs. Clearly he was portrayed in VV as being physically superior to Superman... Yet he HAS NO LIFTING OR PULLING FEATS.. hmmmmmm Interesting huh? So then, WHAT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD are you basing Superman being stronger (which you've claimed) than Despero on? Oooo yes the space cheese feats that villians won't have. Just like mangog we know he won't have those feats but is certainly ever bit as strong as superman if not stronger. Why... becaues the way he punks heralds like weak feebs. In other threads you mention Thanos being a team wreckeer... punking heralds like feebs.. Yet, you say superman is stronger, and why, because he lifted a book of infinte pages lol. As you see, that is the point, and a point you can't get around nor counter.

There is no tangent.. you were saying that Superman has more tools to win than Thanos.. I countered by naming countless things Thanos is superior to superman in. You named less, and what's worse you just named a whole bunch of stuff that really is all apart of CQC and tried to act like they were different abilities. That is like me saying.. Thanos is better at blasting to the head... torso... legs.. omni blasting and acting they they are different things.. no they are just blasting power/ versatility not 4 different things. Don't try and act like I went off on a tangent when I was responding to your claims that superman has more tools to get the job done than Thanos. Which is laughable as superman can't wear Thanos jock strap when it comes to versatility.

Lastly, there have been many instances where Superman has had to WORK to resisit TP. He doesn't just brush it off with ease all the time. He's had to actively concentrate on blocking it. That is all the opportunity Thanos would need. Hit hiim with TP blasts.. make superman react and resist and start doing other things to him while hiting him with TP. Very simple and easy. Tp doesn't have to be a deal closer.. it's just another tool that superman doesn't have and would have to deal with.

Originally posted by Juntai
I always enjoyed this, but I see not much has changed since I stopped frequenting.

Playstation Network has been down, so I've been striving for different forms of entertainment. I'm sure I'll probably vanish again before long with only a post every once in a great while.

I'll go back to playing MAG in my spare time once it's back up.

And not everyone will agree with everything I say, but no one can argue that my points aren't concise; well thought out, and well represented.

Some might even blindly suggest I'm just a fanboy, even though Superman isn't my favorite character, hell, he might not even be in my top 5 if I made a list.

I just have a better understanding of the character than most, in a similar way to Rage with Thor, I suppose.

on a side note... get on xbox live mang... I prefer it, but do like playstation as well

Originally posted by leonidas
i may not agree with everything he says, but jun has always been one of my fave posters and he makes some great points. supes IS unique, and i've always believed he would give thanos a better battle than any of his marvel 'peers'. good to see you in here and getting dirty juntai. 😄

He is a great debator out of all of the Superman peeps, I enjoy seeing him debate... he makes it hard for the people that is going against him.

Thanos still stomps though. 😛

Originally posted by Juntai
Thank you, Leo and Parmaniac. 🙂
what leo said in translation: "your posts about superman are shit, but they well formed, healthy shits doctors say one should have, as opposed to those bad ones (h1 shit).

still shit though, but they pass easier" - leo

😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
So? Superman being easier to knock down than Thanos isn't really a barometer over who is easier to beat.
It's a barometer of the power difference between the two. Thanos has never lost to anyone Superman's level.

Juntai, how is MAG, btw? I was thinking of getting it but most people I know have COD. It's only $21 on Amazon so if it's worthwhile I'd likely get it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No actually it's not besides the point at all.. it's EXACTLY THE POINT that you have no answer to. Let me make this real simple for you buddy.. You're basing superman being stronger on his feats.. his lifting.. pulling feats are the exact ones you're basing his strength on. Problem is, villians DON'T have feats such as these... Do they? So then, how exactly can you make a direct comparison between two parties when one doesn't perfrom the same type of feats? The answer.. you can't use that as your criteria. To go a step further... Despero is a team wrecker... Shoot is was tossing around your blue boy and the rest of the league like weak feebs. Clearly he was portrayed in VV as being physically superior to Superman... Yet he HAS NO LIFTING OR PULLING FEATS.. hmmmmmm Interesting huh? So then, WHAT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD are you basing Superman being stronger (which you've claimed) than Despero on? Oooo yes the space cheese feats that villians won't have. Just like mangog we know he won't have those feats but is certainly ever bit as strong as superman if not stronger. Why... becaues the way he punks heralds like weak feebs. In other threads you mention Thanos being a team wreckeer... punking heralds like feebs.. Yet, you say superman is stronger, and why, because he lifted a book of infinte pages lol. As you see, that is the point, and a point you can't get around nor counter.

There is no tangent.. you were saying that Superman has more tools to win than Thanos.. I countered by naming countless things Thanos is superior to superman in. You named less, and what's worse you just named a whole bunch of stuff that really is all apart of CQC and tried to act like they were different abilities. That is like me saying.. Thanos is better at blasting to the head... torso... legs.. omni blasting and acting they they are different things.. no they are just blasting power/ versatility not 4 different things. Don't try and act like I went off on a tangent when I was responding to your claims that superman has more tools to get the job done than Thanos. Which is laughable as superman can't wear Thanos jock strap when it comes to versatility.

Lastly, there have been many instances where Superman has had to WORK to resisit TP. He doesn't just brush it off with ease all the time. He's had to actively concentrate on blocking it. That is all the opportunity Thanos would need. Hit hiim with TP blasts.. make superman react and resist and start doing other things to him while hiting him with TP. Very simple and easy. Tp doesn't have to be a deal closer.. it's just another tool that superman doesn't have and would have to deal with.

You make great points but are missing something important. Lifting, pulling feats ARE used as a direct or indirect basis to determine who is stronger, just not directly all the time. For example, how do you know Thanos strength can compare or succeeds Superman's strength. Simply because of the way he fought other strong characters. But how do we know those other characters are as strong as Superman? Let me guess, is it because of lifting, pulling, etc. feats? The point is we need a frame of reference when comparing two characters who never engaged each other physically. This frame ultimately is based on (even if indirectly) lifting, pulling, etc. feats.

With that said, handling other characters in h2h doesn't mean you are necessarily stronger. It could simply mean that your overall (skill+strength+speed+durability) value is higher than theirs (and not that your strength alone is higher than theirs).

Lastly, it depends on the level of TP Superman is facing. Thanos TP may not even affect Superman enough to even matter. Second, Thanos doesn't usually fight like that. If he fights like that then it's only fair that Superman blitzes him from the get go.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
what leo said in translation: "your posts about superman are shit, but they well formed, healthy shits doctors say one should have, as opposed to those bad ones (h1 shit).

still shit though, but they pass easier" - leo

😛

if you're gonna start revealing our pm's to the forum, our partnership is at an end. 😐

heh

Originally posted by Juntai
I just have a better understanding of the character than most, in a similar way to Rage with Thor, I suppose.
😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a barometer of the power difference between the two. Thanos has never lost to anyone Superman's level.

I don't see how. Superman weighs just over 200lbs. He can be thrown around easily. It doesn't make him easier to beat.