Originally posted by carver9
Superman has fought people in Thanos tier and it didn't turn out so well for him. Superman is powerful but he is Herald powerful. Wonder Woman has given him a fight, he admitted on at least 2 occassions that Captain Marvel is above him in a brawl... hell, Eclipso had Supes powers and was going all out with it and still failed to put Cap down. Superman went all out on a holding back Black Adam and ADMITTED that he didn't need to hold back and still didn't drop him and Adam was at 100% after the fight. This happened against Orion as well, they were pretty much even, hell, when Orion got serious with Supes, he one shotted him with the astro force... hell, Orion had to save a knocked out Supes from Kalibak and Mantis. Wonder Woman has also held her own against a going all out Supes and in some fights, she has done better in a show down against the same opponent Supes faced (amazo, Konvikt).What Juntai is doing is nitpicking. Out of the entire crew of justice league members, Wonder Woman has the best showings against Sky Fathers, hells, its consistent that she tends t beat on them BUT she would still get her sh** pushed in by Thanos and easily at that because we know what Tier she is in just like we know that we would give Supes a majority against her in a fight, no matter how many skyfathers she has taken down because again, we know what tier she is in.
Will Supes give Thanos a fight? Probably, but Thanos IS on a different level and comics proves this. Its debatable if Supes could pull a majority against Surfer, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, and Thor, how is he going to pull one against someone FAR superior?
Do you lie on purpose or does it happen by accident?
Originally posted by 753
thanos is more durable, versatile, and all arround powerful, not to mention immortal
Versatile and durable? Of course.
Durability, unless it's the indestructible version of Thanos and we take his wicked regen into consideration, it can be debated. (I know Thanos is supposed to be more durable, Kal just has some stupid high end feats)
Originally posted by 753Immortality is irrelevant.
thanos is more durable, versatile, and all arround powerful, not to mention immortal
You're blocked. You're biased. You don't read comics. And I'm pretty sure you're mentally challenged as well. So I have no idea why I'm even entertaining this;
Originally posted by carver9Superman has fought gods and won. Thanos hasn't.
Superman has fought people in Thanos tier and it didn't turn out so well for him. Superman is powerful but he is Herald powerful.
DC characters are in a different bracket at this tier. That was the point of the experiment. Nothing has been refuted yet.
Wonder Woman has given him a fightMind controlled. Enough said.
Also, had she not killed Max, she would have lost. It was a desperation move. Everyone who read and understands Sacrifice knows this.
If she doesn't kill him there, the whole world falls.
he admitted on at least 2 occassions that Captain Marvel is above him in a brawl... hell, Eclipso had Supes powers and was going all out with it and still failed to put Cap down.
Second part; mind control.
Superman went all out on a holding back Black Adam and ADMITTED that he didn't need to hold back and still didn't drop him and Adam was at 100% after the fight.
This happened against Orion as well, they were pretty much even, hell, when Orion got serious with Supes, he one shotted him with the astro force... hell, Orion had to save a knocked out Supes from Kalibak and Mantis.Depends on which instance you're talking about, are you talking about in the old JLA issue? Because Orion ramped it up and knocked Superman across the planet, but he was still fine after. But the fight was over there.
If you're talking about the Confidential issue, it was a retelling of the first meeting between Superman and Orion, and Superman was still young and wasn't nearly as powerful as now. And I don't have a problem with Orion, a god, doing that to a weaker version of Superman with an astro force blast, which we know is 'capable of destroying worlds'.
Need some proof?
Right before he died, in Death of the New Gods, he sucker punched Superman, and Superman just punched him right back and sent him tubling, Orion was ready to kill Superman, literally. He shot him with the Astro Force. I'm wanting to off on a limb and say it wasn't a warning shot when he's screaming his head off about kryptonian bones and what-not... What happened then? Superman held up his forearm and and might as well have been a squirt gun.
Oh, Kalibak and Mantis, huh? I got this one too.
One, Superman was whooping them both. He just made a mistake. And there's little telling how the fight would have ended.
Secondly, Kalibak was actually amped right before this event by Darkseid with the Anti Life -- we learn it in Firestorm in the final issues, where Kalibak was straight up serving Orion, Firestorm, and a few others at once. Orion just happened to come in at the right time and look like a hero.
If you actually read some comics, you would know some of these things. See a theme building here?
Wonder Woman has also held her own against a going all out Supes and in some fights, she has done better in a show down against the same opponent Supes faced (amazo, Konvikt).Each member of the JLA is going to get their time to shine. Needless to say - many of the JLA stories end up with the JLA letting us know it's a job for Superman, or the JLA knocked out, and Superman still standing and beating the bad guy himself. [See; JLA Confidential - New Maps of Hell, just to give you a reference of such an example, since I've been so thorough already.]
The other part of this I already addressed.
Even Wonder Woman knows she's not in Superman's bracket at the end of the day.
What Juntai is doing is nitpicking.What Juntai is doing is settling people back on their heels, because they can't prove their characters are on an even term with Superman and it's frustrating the **** out of them.
Originally posted by BentleyBoth would be tough to prove however. A blast of heat vision from Superman, powers waning under a red sun, provided enough energy to move a planet much larger than Earth.
I'd argue Thanos has slightly more flexibility and better blasting power than Supes overall, so Kal hardly has every advantage that matters.
Although he hasn't done it, for obvious reason, DC's scientists believe he could destroy the Earth with it.
Flexibility? Not sure how you'd prove that one altogether, or even what it might help with if it is proven.
Originally posted by NihilistSuperman is stronger, for sure. I've bestowed the challenge on those supporting Thanos to prove his physical strength is even near Superman's, let alone above it, and have been met with nothing but whining and complaining and tagents and excuses.
I wanna see all this proof of Thanos being weaker and easier to put down by blunt force trauma, because that's all that keeps being said.
It's been several pages now.
The durability part? That's the other dude.
I give Thanos his props in this regard, he's a tough SOB.
I just know that once this reverts to a slugfest, it's slanted heavily towards Superman.
Originally posted by JuntaiThats not what i was asking.
Superman is stronger, for sure. I've bestowed the challenge on those supporting Thanos to prove his physical strength is even near Superman's, let alone above it, and have been met with nothing but whining and complaining and tagents and excuses.It's been several pages now.
The durability part? That's the other dude.
I give Thanos his props in this regard, he's a tough SOB.
I just know that once this reverts to a slugfest, it's slanted heavily towards Superman.
Superman is stronger going by lifting feats for sure, but easily dismissing Thanos physical punching power as having no chance is bais imo, when you look at the exchanges he has had h2h...considering the physical punishment he took from the doppleganger and was still ok to win the fight.
I find it hilarious how most on the Thanos side are so insecure, that they continuously say "Thanos stomps" or "Thanos 10/10" to overcompensate for the fact that Superman is capable of matching or exceeding here in any main area as far as combat goes.
Originally posted by Juntai👆
Both would be tough to prove however. A blast of heat vision from Superman, powers waning under a red sun, provided enough energy to move a planet much larger than Earth.
Heat vision is one of the most underrated abilities.
Originally posted by Juntai
A blast of heat vision from Superman, powers waning under a red sun, provided enough energy to move a planet much larger than Earth.
From the arc with Jor-El and so on?
Pretty sure his heat vision was the spark for the engine. It was more of a match than the power source as I recall.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaI find it hilarious how most on the Superman side are so insecure, that they continuously say "Superman stomps" or "Superman 10/10" to overcompensate for the fact that Thanos is capable of matching or exceeding here in any main area as far as combat goes..
I find it hilarious how most on the Thanos side are so insecure, that they continuously say "Thanos stomps" or "Thanos 10/10" to overcompensate for the fact that Superman is capable of matching or exceeding here in any main area as far as combat goes.👆
Heat vision is one of the most underrated abilities.
Out of interest how many Thanos fans say 10/10 who's opinions count?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI can name dozens of other instances, it just happens to be an especially impressive one.
From the arc with Jor-El and so on?Pretty sure his heat vision was the spark for the engine. It was more of a match than the power source as I recall.
Heat vision is ridiculous when he turns it up. There's a reason he can use it to combat Astro Force and Omega Force, both written to be capable of destroying worlds, and tons of other high end powers and magics and stuff when they're being used as beam attacks. Because his output is simply that high.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNot so. Superman has the strength and speed to ko Thanos handily. Only a Superman fighting very stupidly for the entire fight (like him not using speed, his reflexes, or him not letting loose) would lose here.
An all out Superman would put up a hell of a fight, but eventually Thanos should put him down for the majority.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusDisagree, once it reverts to a slugfest, and it will far more often than not, Superman holds the advantages in nearly every technical area of combat.
An all out Superman would put up a hell of a fight, but eventually Thanos should put him down for the majority.
Faster speed of body. [to the point he can appear behind enemies while they're punching. He's even done it to speedsters like Wonder Woman.]
Flight.
Hand speed.
Strength.
Calculating and reacting to changing variables on a battlefield. [He's been seen calculating melting points, trajectories of multiple assailants or projectiles, etc etc.]
I could go on and on.