Originally posted by Juntai
I can name dozens of other instances, it just happens to be an especially impressive one.Heat vision is ridiculous when he turns it up. There's a reason he can use it to combat Astro Force and Omega Force, both written to be capable of destroying worlds, and tons of other high end powers and magics and stuff when they're being used as beam attacks. Because his output is simply that high.
Okay then, go ahead.
When has it been used to combat the Astro Force?
Originally posted by Juntai
Disagree, once it reverts to a slugfest, and it will far more often than not, Superman holds the advantages in nearly every technical area of combat.Faster speed of body. [to the point he can appear behind enemies while they're punching.]
Flight.
Hand speed.
Strength.
Calculating and reacting to changing variables on a battlefield. [He's been seen calculating melting points, trajectories of multiple assailants or projectiles, etc etc.]I could go on and on.
You think Kal-El is stronger?
mhmm
Whatever. I don't particularly care.
Originally posted by Juntai
Disagree, once it reverts to a slugfest, and it will far more often than not, Superman holds the advantages in nearly every technical area of combat.Faster speed of body. [to the point he can appear behind enemies while they're punching. He's even done it to speedsters like Wonder Woman.]
Flight.
Hand speed.
Strength.
Calculating and reacting to changing variables on a battlefield. [He's been seen calculating melting points, trajectories of multiple assailants or projectiles, etc etc.]I could go on and on.
I agree with most of this "minus" strength. Superman can fight DBZ lite like when he wants to but I don't think its to the point where he becomes untouchable.
I would give amost ALL high Heralds reaction/movement speeds over Thanos (Superman, Gladiator, Wonder Woman, Nova)... but it just ain't enough to pull a majority.
Originally posted by JuntaiFeats don't determine superiority of strength and never have. With that logic Superman is stronger than the presence or Galactus.
Superman is stronger, for sure. I've bestowed the challenge on those supporting Thanos to prove his physical strength is even near Superman's, let alone above it, and have been met with nothing but whining and complaining and tagents and excuses.It's been several pages now.
The durability part? That's the other dude.
I give Thanos his props in this regard, he's a tough SOB.
I just know that once this reverts to a slugfest, it's slanted heavily towards Superman.
Superman's peers in strength are far lower on the totem pole than Superman is. Hulk, Superman, Thor, Hercules, Black Adam are elite top tiers whereas Thanos has never ever lost to one or been portrayed as weaker than any of these in a direct physical matchup unlike Superman.
Thanos and Superman have both taken on Thor. Superman respected Thor as one his best opponents whereas Thanos doesn't. Thanos also took on power gem I will kill anyone who gets in my way Thor not the hero who fought Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with most of this "minus" strength. Superman can fight DBZ lite like when he wants to but I don't think its to the point where he becomes untouchable.I would give amost ALL high Heralds reaction/movement speeds over Thanos (Superman, Gladiator, Wonder Woman, Nova)... but it just ain't enough to pull a majority.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos and Superman have both taken on Thor. Superman respected Thor as one his best opponents whereas Thanos doesn't. Thanos also took on power gem I will kill anyone who gets in my way Thor not the hero who fought Superman.
Imagine the fanboy lashback if Superman spit on Thor's face and then pissed on it saying "God of thunder my kryptonian ass."
Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't determine superiority of strength and never have. With that logic Superman is stronger than the presence or Galactus.Superman's peers in strength are far lower on the totem pole than Superman is. Hulk, Superman, Thor, Hercules, Black Adam are elite top tiers whereas Thanos has never ever lost to one or been portrayed as weaker than any of these in a direct physical matchup unlike Superman.
Thanos and Superman have both taken on Thor. Superman respected Thor as one his best opponents whereas Thanos doesn't. Thanos also took on power gem I will kill anyone who gets in my way Thor not the hero who fought Superman.
Feats are not just lifting feats, feats are also punching feats as well.
Thus feats do determine superiority of strength. Abstract beings don't have physical strength because they are not physical. Superman may or may not be physically stronger than Galactus, who knows. Don't let size fool you. If we assume that Galactus can transform his power into strength then yes he CAN be or IS stronger than Superman. But if Galactus power is mostly devoted to blasting and similar powers and little to physical movement then Superman is stronger. It all depends. No one knows.
Superman has not taken on Thor or at least that can't be used as evidence here. Remember the rules.
PG Thor is not even more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Originally posted by h1a8
Feats are not just lifting feats, feats are also punching feats as well.
Thus feats do determine superiority of strength. Abstract beings don't have physical strength because they are not physical. Superman may or may not be physically stronger than Galactus, who knows. Don't let size fool you. If we assume that Galactus can transform his power into strength then yes he CAN be or IS stronger than Superman. But if Galactus power is mostly devoted to blasting and similar powers and little to physical movement then Superman is stronger. It all depends. No one knows.Superman has not taken on Thor or at least that can't be used as evidence here. Remember the rules.
PG Thor is not even more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Ummm, Galactus stalemated a guy who punched a moon in a single hit to dust.
Originally posted by h1a8Except Abstracts do have physical power and your logic makes no sense. You don't read comics though so of course these kinds of questions throw off your logic as you're at a complete loss of how to answer it.
Feats are not just lifting feats, feats are also punching feats as well.
Thus feats do determine superiority of strength. Abstract beings don't have physical strength because they are not physical. Superman may or may not be physically stronger than Galactus, who knows. Don't let size fool you. If we assume that Galactus can transform his power into strength then yes he CAN be or IS stronger than Superman. But if Galactus power is mostly devoted to blasting and similar powers and little to physical movement then Superman is stronger. It all depends. No one knows.Superman has not taken on Thor or at least that can't be used as evidence here. Remember the rules.
PG Thor is not even more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
Thanos' punching feats are easily destroying the Surfer and Thor with the power gem was >>than his normal self and portrayed as such.
Originally posted by long pigMy post referred to surfer and then went to Thor with the point power gem Thor was greater than regular Thor. You can't even break down my sentences, sport.
Thanos didn't easily destroy PG Thor with punches, he didn't destroy him at all. Stop lying, quan. He stalemated for a while, them got hurt a little so, realizing his physical inferiority, he fell back to tech. You nut hugging liar. Hows your mother btw?
Thanos beat power gem Thor which Strange was unable to do. Point Thanos.
Don't try to get into an intellectual war with me. You will lose. Thanos didn't beat anyone, he took Thor out of the fight with a plot device tech. Same as if he would have bfr'd him. Of course Strange wouldn't be willing to destroy him or bfr him or a ton of black magic things he can do. Unhindered, he'd done better than Thanos. TIME STOP! 😂
Originally posted by Juntai
Both would be tough to prove however. A blast of heat vision from Superman, powers waning under a red sun, provided enough energy to move a planet much larger than Earth.Although he hasn't done it, for obvious reason, DC's scientists believe he could destroy the Earth with it.
Flexibility? Not sure how you'd prove that one altogether, or even what it might help with if it is proven.
While heat vision is uber, Thanos has killed guys who can take super novas such as the Silver Surfer with random blasts and punches, that's quite a huge blasting power, as you'd be hard pressed to prove Kal can beat Norrin in a blasting match. Thanos also happens to be somewhat good at energy absorbing, which comes handily at a ranged fight such as facing a less flexible blaster such as Kal.