Originally posted by BentleyThat's like saying that since Mongul draws blood from Superman, who bathes in blackholes without injury, it means Mongul's punches are > the pressure inside a blackhole. Which is asinine. Cosmic feats should never be corelated like this to the offensive output of an opponent. Then there's also the fact that it wasn't pure blasting and, like you said, energy-amped punches were also part of it.
While heat vision is uber, Thanos has killed guys who can take super novas such as the Silver Surfer with random blasts and punches, that's quite a huge blasting power, as you'd be hard pressed to prove Kal can beat Norrin in a blasting match.
Originally posted by long pigI've already won and you have acually brought down Strange's stock on the board as people have actually dismissed the context of the said feats. That's not very intellectual unless you really don't like Stephen that is.
Don't try to get into an intellectual war with me. You will lose. Thanos didn't beat anyone, he took Thor out of the fight with a plot device tech. Same as if he would have bfr'd him. Of course Strange wouldn't be willing to destroy him or bfr him or a ton of black magic things he can do. Unhindered, he'd done better than Thanos. TIME STOP! 😂
Thanos' tech is a plot device but guess what Thor's hammer is a plot device as is the power gem. I guess let's ignore Thanos' ingenuity and scientific knowhow and pretend it doesn't count since Strange was humiliated prior to by Thor.
Strange can't just time stop anyone nor has he been portrayed as having this power consistently. LOL.
Originally posted by long pigI haven't reported you one single time. So once again you're flat out wrong. 🙂
And you know, deep deep down in your vagina that you're a snot nosed little nut hugging punk who reports people who make you look like a dumbass.
Originally posted by Philosophía
That's like saying that since Mongul draws blood from Superman, who bathes in blackholes without injury, it means Mongul's punches are > the pressure inside a blackhole. Which is asinine. Cosmic feats should never be corelated like this to the offensive output of an opponent. Then there's also the fact that it wasn't pure blasting and, like you said, energy-amped punches were also part of it.
So are you saying Supes is weak against Mongul? Or that he has special resistance against Superman? Or are you telling me to ignore whichever feats I want? None of the three options seems particularly brilliant flirt
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman is stronger, for sure. I've bestowed the challenge on those supporting Thanos to prove his physical strength is even near Superman's, let alone above it, and have been met with nothing but whining and complaining and tagents and excuses.It's been several pages now.
The durability part? That's the other dude.
I give Thanos his props in this regard, he's a tough SOB.
I just know that once this reverts to a slugfest, it's slanted heavily towards Superman.
I step away for the weekend and I see Juntai is now talking about thanos poeple running away and not answering questions LOL. How funny and cute. Problem is, you're the one not answering questions and continue to avoid them and hide behidn it by calling them tangents. We have answered you questions by listing a number of strength feats for Thor, Hulk, Drax, Herc etc etc. High end strength feats that are comparable to Supes high end strength feats. They don't need as many of them as supes, because they only need to prove they can do comparable things a few times, not each comic. Once they establish they have such strength, that is all that is required. Just because Supes has more of them, doesn't change the fact that they have shown to be able to do the same things. So that is the first place your'e wrong.
The second place you're wrong is in how you're judging Supes victories and fights. Supes often times losses the first encounter with the big bad villian only to win the second fight in the end. Because of course, that is what he has to do. However, that doesn't take away from the first victory and wipe it out of existence. That isn't the case in real life nor comics. When Morales beat Pac the first time they fought, did Pac winning the second time, all of a sudden mean Morales first victory didn't count. Of course not. When you get in a fight and kick someone ass the first time but lose the second time.. is the second fight the only one that counts? Of course not. Thus, in most of Supes victories, he's actually 1-1 not 1-0 in some make believe counting system you use. Which actually brings up the clear point on how Thanos in portrayed.
Just like in DC, Marvel has their heroes win fights against big bad villians to save the day. Same basic themes we see in all genres. Yet, with Thanos, they have hardly EVER had them lose to these heroes. Why? Well that is easy, because they must view thanos that much above the heroes that they can't even justify them beating him. That speaks volumes about how much more powerful Thanos is than any herald and how he beats them with ease. All he often times needs is a mere pimp slap to get the job done. Now what does the artist and writer choosing a pimp slap tell us, he is trying to convey the point that thanos is so far above them that all he needs is a mere pimp slap. if he want to show they were close in strength and power.. you wouldn't choose to show Thanos pimpslapping two bricks (with comparable strength feats to supes) in Hulk and Drax.. you would have a long battle back and forth. Yet that isn't what they choose to do, and the reason why they choose to write the comic that way, is rather clear and evident to anybody with an ouce of brain power. They choose pimpslaps to illustrate just how easy it is for Thanos to deal with heralds level beings. All he needs in a pimpslap. Just like when the writer showed Thanos mocking and laughing at the Hulk (who again has high end feats of strength comparable to supes) WITH help from another brick and calling them weak feebs. He couldn't have made it any more clear... you call yourself strong.. I am strength personified (as he is overpowering them both). That is just one of the many ways Marvel makes it clear Thanos is beyond ANY herald and pretty much all Trans level people.
You feel like Supes can win with a quick speed blitz and cqc LOL. Surely you jest. Please who me Supes attacking someone he's never faced ON Thanos level, right from the start and combo to KO them before they can raise a finger or land a punch. Please show me this 10 times, and I'll consider that in character for Supes to fight that way. We all know you won't be able to, shoot you can't even find 5 times like that lol. Thus, he won't attack that way. Supes just doesn't have the tools to get the job done against Thanos as Thanos is way way more versatile. Thanos can use offensive TP or Matter manipulation to make Supes work to resist it. While Supes is having to work on fending stuff off he isn't focused totally on his game plan and is using energy to fend off Thanos other attacks. Of course, Thanos can still be attacking with blasting or punches or raising his shields (which I doubt supes can even penetrate) He can teleport further away if Supes has closed the distance and repeat said steps. He can fire omni directional blasts if supes gets close and that will hit supes It's radiating out from his body... if Supes is hitting thamos, that means he's getting hit with the blast. What can this blast do... ooo well... it can kill High Heralds in one shot like Warlock WITH the soul gem. Thanos can easily BFR supes as he's shown countelss times to be able to do with ease.
Now that we got some of your nonsense and questions out of the way how about you answer these which you have continued to avoid like the plague. Of course, for good reason, but I wanna see if you actually answr and not run away again.
1. Do villians have lifting feats and pulling feats like heroes do and do so with the same regularity?
2. Who is stronger Mangog or Thor? Of course Thor has Th3 L1fting F3ats!! Yet those lifting feats of strength didn't matter when Mangog overpowerd and punked Thor like a weak feeb. Just like when Despero punked and treated Supes WITH A LOT OF HELP like a weak feeb. Yet somehow you say Supes is stronger than Despero, even though he got treated like a weak feeb lol. Why because he has space cheese feats to save the universe LOL. Answer the question.. who is stonger Mangog or thor?
3. You say Supes is more versatile than Thanos.. should we start naming powers and abilities to see if this is true? We all know who is more versatile but you seem to be saying Supes is, so lets find out.
4. Please who me Supes one shot killing ANY High Herald character with one shot. Now before you go, ooo supes can't kill heralds he's a good guy.. Well I can easily and with better certain say.. either company also don't like Villians killing their golden boys liek Surfer, Thor or Supes. So that excuse won't fly. You say Supes has the blasting power to match Thanos. Prove it. Show him one shot killing a high herald. We have seen Thanos one shot kill Warlock, Drax and the avatar of death Phyla with ease.
5. You seem to be under the assumption that Supes somehow has the durability that Thanos has. Cool. Would you care to see who has more and lower total durability showings? We all know Supes has lower and more of them, but if you want we can certainly prove that point. How does this matter, well we know SUpes does get hit and will get hit. He always does, especially when he doesn't know who he is fighting. What do his way way more durablity low showings then tell us, he is more likley to get put down before Thanos is.
6. Do you feel Thanos has good reaction speed? Reaction speed that allows him to keep up with fast charactes. Some examples of this are the fallon one bullrushing and Thanos raises his hand before he can hit. Other example is the maker trying to blast Thanos at point blank range and Thanos reacting fast enough to slap the blast away. Thanos raising his hand AFTER Thor throws his hammer and stopping it mid flight. Other examples... Here Thanos lets Surfer fire but reacts FAST enough to teleport out of the way. Something he would be doing to supes all day if he wanted to... Notice in the these scans he raises his shields AFTER surfer fires his blast..
http://i53.tinypic.com/30bh5jn.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/qxp0lg.jpg
These scans and the exampe above show that Thanos can and has NO issue reacting very quickly to a wide variety of very fast attacks.
I'll await these answers... or are you going to just avoid them like you have for the last 4 pages now.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do villians have lifting feats and pulling feats like heroes do and do so with the same regularity?
So it's fair to say Superman is definitely stronger. If you think otherwise, fine, but back it up with physical strength feats.
You say Supes is more versatile than Thanos.. should we start naming powers and abilities to see if this is true? We all know who is more versatile but you seem to be saying Supes is, so lets find out.
Do you feel Thanos has good reaction speed? Reaction speed that allows him to keep up with fast charactes. Some examples of this are the fallon one bullrushing and Thanos raises his hand before he can hit. Other example is the maker trying to blast Thanos at point blank range and Thanos reacting fast enough to slap the blast away. Thanos raising his hand AFTER Thor throws his hammer and stopping it mid flight. Other examples... Here Thanos lets Surfer fire but reacts FAST enough to teleport out of the way. Something he would be doing to supes all day if he wanted to... Notice in the these scans he raises his shields AFTER surfer fires his blast..http://i53.tinypic.com/30bh5jn.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/qxp0lg.jpg
These scans and the exampe above show that Thanos can and has NO issue reacting very quickly to a wide variety of very fast attacks.
I'll await these answers... or are you going to just avoid them like you have for the last 4 pages now.
Originally posted by h1a8hysterical
Feats are not just lifting feats, feats are also punching feats as well.
Thus feats do determine superiority of strength. Abstract beings don't have physical strength because they are not physical. Superman may or may not be physically stronger than Galactus, who knows. Don't let size fool you. If we assume that Galactus can transform his power into strength then yes he CAN be or IS stronger than Superman. But if Galactus power is mostly devoted to blasting and similar powers and little to physical movement then Superman is stronger. It all depends. No one knows.Superman has not taken on Thor or at least that can't be used as evidence here. Remember the rules.
PG Thor is not even more than 2x stronger than his normal self.
I had to view this post just so I could laugh at it. Also lol at 'remember the rules' when you're blatantly trolling.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nobody cares that Thanos doesn't have any lifting feats, the problem is that Thanos has - I am talking about physical strength - no real über strength feats, while Superman is the incarnation of strength feats, even more than Hulk.So it's fair to say Superman is definitely stronger. If you think otherwise, fine, but back it up with physical strength feats.
That would be interesting.
Those are NOT speed feats. And even if they were, Superman has much, much much more impressive speed feats than those. Even Wolverine has more impressive speed feats than those.
This really isn't difficult Kurdy.... You're saying Superman is stronger and YOU ARE BASING THIS ON HIS LIFTING FEATS i.e. his space cheese feats to save the universe. Yet, how can we use that as THE variable when thanos doesn't have such feats being a villian. The answer is very easy... WE CAN'T. With villians you need to look at other evidence that prove their strength. I'll ask you this simple question.. who is stronger Mangog or Thor... Thor has more lifting feats by far.. mangog has NONE. Yet Mangog has treated Thor like a weak feeb. How about Despero or Superman who is stronger. Superman surely has plenty of more feats as you point out, yet mangog has treated Superman WITH HELP like a weak feeb. The answer is clear.. lifting feats don't prove who is stronger and the only criteria to judge characters by. Now, we look at Thanos, he has treated people who has strength feats that rival Supermans which people have named.. I'm talking abotu Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Drax etc etc. He's treated them like weak feebs when he's met them. Yet, to you that doesn't mean he is stonger because he doesn't have Th3 L1ft1ng F3atorz!! lol. Give me a break.
No it wouldn't be interesting... It's a no contest.
How can all those things I named NOT be REACTION feats (which is what I called them, NOT speed feats) Thanos has consistently shown he can and will react to fast things and deal with them accordingly. I just named numerous times when he's displayed this over and over. Yet, somehow he won't be able to touch supes... ummm yeah right.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nobody cares that Thanos doesn't have any lifting feats, the problem is that Thanos has - I am talking about physical strength - no real über strength feats, while Superman is the incarnation of strength feats, even more than Hulk.So it's fair to say Superman is definitely stronger. If you think otherwise, fine, but back it up with physical strength feats.
That would be interesting.
Those are NOT speed feats. And even if they were, Superman has much, much much more impressive speed feats than those. Even Wolverine has more impressive speed feats than those.
Who's stronger, Thing or HPDoomsday? I think Thing is stronger, don't you since HP Doomsday doesn't have any lifting feats?
Originally posted by carver9
Who's stronger, Thing or HPDoomsday? I think Thing is stronger, don't you since HP Doomsday doesn't have any lifting feats?
Lifting feats just happen to be those kind of strength feats.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I clearly said lifting feats aren't important, it's all about physical strength feats.Lifting feats just happen to be those kind of strength feats.
I don't get it.
So what makes HP Doomsday stronger than Thing since he doesn't have any lifting feats/physical strength feats?
Let me guess what you are going to say... hhhmmm... wild guess; because HP Doomsday took on the entire high end team of JLA and stomped. Wait, I can do better than that... HP Doomsday took on and thrashed Darkseid; wait, I can do better than that... he took on and was thrashing Supes who has lifting feats which proves that HP Doomsday is stronger than Supes.
Another question... who is stronger, Spiderman or Darkseid. Remember, Spiderman supported a skyscrapper size building for a long extended amount of time.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't get it.So what makes HP Doomsday stronger than Thing since he doesn't have any lifting feats/physical strength feats?
Let me guess what you are going to say... hhhmmm... wild guess; because HP Doomsday took on the entire high end team of JLA and stomped. Wait, I can do better than that... HP Doomsday took on and thrashed Darkseid; wait, I can do better than that... he took on and was thrashing Supes who has lifting feats which proves that HP Doomsday is stronger than Supes.
Things upper limit is more or less known. Not only that, but Thing has a massive amount of fist fights, so we can estimate how strong he is.
Another question... who is stronger, Spiderman or Darkseid. Remember, Spiderman supported a skyscrapper size building for a long extended amount of time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This really isn't difficult Kurdy.... You're saying Superman is stronger and YOU ARE BASING THIS ON HIS LIFTING FEATS i.e. his space cheese feats to save the universe. Yet, how can we use that as THE variable when thanos doesn't have such feats being a villian. The answer is very easy... WE CAN'T. With villians you need to look at other evidence that prove their strength. I'll ask you this simple question.. who is stronger Mangog or Thor... Thor has more lifting feats by far.. mangog has NONE. Yet Mangog has treated Thor like a weak feeb. How about Despero or Superman who is stronger. Superman surely has plenty of more feats as you point out, yet mangog has treated Superman WITH HELP like a weak feeb. The answer is clear.. lifting feats don't prove who is stronger and the only criteria to judge characters by. Now, we look at Thanos, he has treated people who has strength feats that rival Supermans which people have named.. I'm talking abotu Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Drax etc etc. He's treated them like weak feebs when he's met them. Yet, to you that doesn't mean he is stonger because he doesn't have Th3 L1ft1ng F3atorz!! lol. Give me a break.No it wouldn't be interesting... It's a no contest.
How can all those things I named NOT be REACTION feats (which is what I called them, NOT speed feats) Thanos has consistently shown he can and will react to fast things and deal with them accordingly. I just named numerous times when he's displayed this over and over. Yet, somehow he won't be able to touch supes... ummm yeah right.
But using that logic, one could say that Daredevil can take on Magneto (DD has beaten Wolverine, and Wolverine can kill Magneto, so DD > Magneto), which is, as we all know, bull.
