Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
(DD has beaten Wolverine, and Wolverine can kill Magneto, so DD > Magneto)

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Carver crushes souls though

+1 for Bran.. I bow down the soul crusher Lawver.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

That's not a valid comparison. Everybody knows that Thing is not strong enough to take on beings like Superman, Thor, Doomsday, Thanos. Depending on the writer, he can hang a bit with them, and after that his lights go out.

Things upper limit is more or less known. Not only that, but Thing has a massive amount of fist fights, so we can estimate how strong he is.

Spider-Man helped supporting the Daily Bugle once, it's not like he was lifting it. That's way beyond his capabilities. [/B]

So you admit that it has something to do with who people fight against?

Bied, HUSH IT.

Originally posted by carver9
So you admit that it has something to do with who people fight against?

But Thing is Marvel, so is Thor, Hulk, Namor, Hercules, Iron Man, Thanos and so on, and these guys have fought each other since the beginning of time, so we have a pretty good idea how strong Thing is.

Superman however is DC, has a unique power set and has never fought anybody from Marvel (unless you're talking about the crossover, in which he beat Thor), so comparing will only get you so far.

The big mistake most people make is comparing Superman with Surfer. They think: well, Thanos beats Surfer without trouble, Surfer is at least Supermans equal - probably even more powerful - so Thanos beats Superman.

But that's dangerous ABC-logic. First of all, Superman is, combat wise, a hundred times smarter than Surfer on his best days. Second, there is no reason to assume that Superman, when fighting Thanos, suddenly forgets all his fancy powers just like Surfer does and third, if Surfer would fight Superman like he fights Thanos - that is, like a braindead monkey - Superman would also totally own Surfer.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Fighting using his fists, not fighting using prep, tech or whatever.

But Thing is Marvel, so is Thor, Hulk, Namor, Hercules, Iron Man, Thanos and so on, and these guys have fought each other since the beginning of time, so we have a pretty good idea how strong Thing is.

Superman however is DC, has a unique power set and has never fought anybody from Marvel (unless you're talking about the crossover, in which he beat Thor), so comparing will only get you so far.

The big mistake most people make is comparing Superman with Surfer. They think: well, Thanos beats Surfer without trouble, Surfer is at least Supermans equal - probably even more powerful - so Thanos beats Superman.

But that's dangerous ABC-logic. First of all, Superman is, combat wise, a hundred times smarter than Surfer on his best days. Second, there is no reason to assume that Superman, when fighting Thanos, suddenly forgets all his fancy powers just like Surfer does and third, if Surfer would fight Superman like he fights Thanos - that is, like a braindead monkey - Superman would also totally own Surfer.

Ummm okay, but what are you saying... We can use vs. fights to determine strength or we can't? Fact is, Superman HAS fought others in DC and not come out looking like the top cheese who is vastly stronger than anybody else. Some examples are BA, Marvel and Orion. You act like he tears through any herald DC and that is just plain false. Listen, Marvel has made it CLEAR beyond any doubt that thanos is above ANY herald, and above them, by A LOT. He treats them like weak feebs, not like they are legit threats. That is the difference here. When he treats people who's high end strength feats match Supes.. you still want to say he's not as Stong as Supes... even though he treats people like weaklings who do have impressive feats? WTF

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Fighting using his fists, not fighting using prep, tech or whatever.

But Thing is Marvel, so is Thor, Hulk, Namor, Hercules, Iron Man, Thanos and so on, and these guys have fought each other since the beginning of time, so we have a pretty good idea how strong Thing is.

Superman however is DC, has a unique power set and has never fought anybody from Marvel (unless you're talking about the crossover, in which he beat Thor), so comparing will only get you so far.

The big mistake most people make is comparing Superman with Surfer. They think: well, Thanos beats Surfer without trouble, Surfer is at least Supermans equal - probably even more powerful - so Thanos beats Superman.

But that's dangerous ABC-logic. First of all, Superman is, combat wise, a hundred times smarter than Surfer on his best days. Second, there is no reason to assume that Superman, when fighting Thanos, suddenly forgets all his fancy powers just like Surfer does and third, if Surfer would fight Superman like he fights Thanos - that is, like a braindead monkey - Superman would also totally own Surfer.

You are not making any sense. You are saying that Superman is stronger and when you explain why, it mainly boils down to lifting feats. I then ask you who is stronger out of Thing and Doomsday and you say Doomsday is stronger because of the people that he fights.

People then bring up who Thanos fights and hold his own or defeat and then you say its not a strength feat. Help a brother out... what are you atlking about?

Then you say "if Surfer fought Superman the way he fought Thanos, he would get wrecked" but the same thing can be said about Superman. If Superman fought Thanos the same way he fought Konvikt, Titus, V&V Despero and Grundy, or how he fights 95% of the time in comics, he would get wrecked by Thanos as well.

I agree with one thing though, Thanos will have a harder time with Supes than Surfer and the only reason is because Surfer rarely if ever use his speed and he sure as hell isn't a brawler but something that I disagree with is Supes and Surfer durability being on par... I would give Surfer the edge and with that said, if Thanos can 6 shot Surfer, he sure as hell can do the same to Supes.

As for who is stronger out of Thanos and Supes, I am giving the edge to Thanos. A none holding back Supes wailed on Wonder Woman and she withstood it... hell, he was AMPED while doing this. Put Thanos in Supes shoes, she wouldn't have been so successful IMO.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I step away for the weekend and I see Juntai is now talking about thanos poeple running away and not answering questions LOL. How funny and cute. Problem is, you're the one not answering questions and continue to avoid them and hide behidn it by calling them tangents. We have answered you questions by listing a number of strength feats for Thor, Hulk, Drax, Herc etc etc. High end strength feats that are comparable to Supes high end strength feats. They don't need as many of them as supes, because they only need to prove they can do comparable things a few times, not each comic. Once they establish they have such strength, that is all that is required. Just because Supes has more of them, doesn't change the fact that they have shown to be able to do the same things. So that is the first place your'e wrong.

The second place you're wrong is in how you're judging Supes victories and fights. Supes often times losses the first encounter with the big bad villian only to win the second fight in the end. Because of course, that is what he has to do. However, that doesn't take away from the first victory and wipe it out of existence. That isn't the case in real life nor comics. When Morales beat Pac the first time they fought, did Pac winning the second time, all of a sudden mean Morales first victory didn't count. Of course not. When you get in a fight and kick someone ass the first time but lose the second time.. is the second fight the only one that counts? Of course not. Thus, in most of Supes victories, he's actually 1-1 not 1-0 in some make believe counting system you use. Which actually brings up the clear point on how Thanos in portrayed.

Just like in DC, Marvel has their heroes win fights against big bad villians to save the day. Same basic themes we see in all genres. Yet, with Thanos, they have hardly EVER had them lose to these heroes. Why? Well that is easy, because they must view thanos that much above the heroes that they can't even justify them beating him. That speaks volumes about how much more powerful Thanos is than any herald and how he beats them with ease. All he often times needs is a mere pimp slap to get the job done. Now what does the artist and writer choosing a pimp slap tell us, he is trying to convey the point that thanos is so far above them that all he needs is a mere pimp slap. if he want to show they were close in strength and power.. you wouldn't choose to show Thanos pimpslapping two bricks (with comparable strength feats to supes) in Hulk and Drax.. you would have a long battle back and forth. Yet that isn't what they choose to do, and the reason why they choose to write the comic that way, is rather clear and evident to anybody with an ouce of brain power. They choose pimpslaps to illustrate just how easy it is for Thanos to deal with heralds level beings. All he needs in a pimpslap. Just like when the writer showed Thanos mocking and laughing at the Hulk (who again has high end feats of strength comparable to supes) WITH help from another brick and calling them weak feebs. He couldn't have made it any more clear... you call yourself strong.. I am strength personified (as he is overpowering them both). That is just one of the many ways Marvel makes it clear Thanos is beyond ANY herald and pretty much all Trans level people.

You feel like Supes can win with a quick speed blitz and cqc LOL. Surely you jest. Please who me Supes attacking someone he's never faced ON Thanos level, right from the start and combo to KO them before they can raise a finger or land a punch. Please show me this 10 times, and I'll consider that in character for Supes to fight that way. We all know you won't be able to, shoot you can't even find 5 times like that lol. Thus, he won't attack that way. Supes just doesn't have the tools to get the job done against Thanos as Thanos is way way more versatile. Thanos can use offensive TP or Matter manipulation to make Supes work to resist it. While Supes is having to work on fending stuff off he isn't focused totally on his game plan and is using energy to fend off Thanos other attacks. Of course, Thanos can still be attacking with blasting or punches or raising his shields (which I doubt supes can even penetrate) He can teleport further away if Supes has closed the distance and repeat said steps. He can fire omni directional blasts if supes gets close and that will hit supes It's radiating out from his body... if Supes is hitting thamos, that means he's getting hit with the blast. What can this blast do... ooo well... it can kill High Heralds in one shot like Warlock WITH the soul gem. Thanos can easily BFR supes as he's shown countelss times to be able to do with ease.

Now that we got some of your nonsense and questions out of the way how about you answer these which you have continued to avoid like the plague. Of course, for good reason, but I wanna see if you actually answr and not run away again.

1. Do villians have lifting feats and pulling feats like heroes do and do so with the same regularity?

2. Who is stronger Mangog or Thor? Of course Thor has Th3 L1fting F3ats!! Yet those lifting feats of strength didn't matter when Mangog overpowerd and punked Thor like a weak feeb. Just like when Despero punked and treated Supes WITH A LOT OF HELP like a weak feeb. Yet somehow you say Supes is stronger than Despero, even though he got treated like a weak feeb lol. Why because he has space cheese feats to save the universe LOL. Answer the question.. who is stonger Mangog or thor?

3. You say Supes is more versatile than Thanos.. should we start naming powers and abilities to see if this is true? We all know who is more versatile but you seem to be saying Supes is, so lets find out.

4. Please who me Supes one shot killing ANY High Herald character with one shot. Now before you go, ooo supes can't kill heralds he's a good guy.. Well I can easily and with better certain say.. either company also don't like Villians killing their golden boys liek Surfer, Thor or Supes. So that excuse won't fly. You say Supes has the blasting power to match Thanos. Prove it. Show him one shot killing a high herald. We have seen Thanos one shot kill Warlock, Drax and the avatar of death Phyla with ease.

5. You seem to be under the assumption that Supes somehow has the durability that Thanos has. Cool. Would you care to see who has more and lower total durability showings? We all know Supes has lower and more of them, but if you want we can certainly prove that point. How does this matter, well we know SUpes does get hit and will get hit. He always does, especially when he doesn't know who he is fighting. What do his way way more durablity low showings then tell us, he is more likley to get put down before Thanos is.

6. Do you feel Thanos has good reaction speed? Reaction speed that allows him to keep up with fast charactes. Some examples of this are the fallon one bullrushing and Thanos raises his hand before he can hit. Other example is the maker trying to blast Thanos at point blank range and Thanos reacting fast enough to slap the blast away. Thanos raising his hand AFTER Thor throws his hammer and stopping it mid flight. Other examples... Here Thanos lets Surfer fire but reacts FAST enough to teleport out of the way. Something he would be doing to supes all day if he wanted to... Notice in the these scans he raises his shields AFTER surfer fires his blast..

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These scans and the exampe above show that Thanos can and has NO issue reacting very quickly to a wide variety of very fast attacks.

I'll await these answers... or are you going to just avoid them like you have for the last 4 pages now.

Originally posted by Juntai
No sir, lifting, pulling, real feats of strength that don't involve A> B > C character-wise are what I'm after.

But either way, this is ridiculously more powerful version Hulk than Thanos ever faced, so there's no way to bring it back to him in a comparison of raw physical strength.

The point of the challenge is that Marvel characters drop a feat of strength akin to one that Superman do once every dozen years or something, pushing their limits to extremes, in their greatest ever showings, to match the stuff Superman does arc to arc.

We have multiple instances -- all recent -- of Superman in combat casually and repeatedly throwing punches that would shatter a moon, not even suggesting he's at his limit, but more-so, impressed when an enemy shrugs them off. When a Marvel 'Character A' does something even remotely close to it, it's a ****ing two page spread, with lots of pretty extra lines and shit, that will go down as one of the highlights of their 40 year history, and will be used as a benchmark of why they're in a 'Superman level' class, even though it's quite blatantly obvious to anyone following the trend of Superman doing amazing shit, that it's anything but the truth. Then they conflate this event onto another character, because 10 years before this event even happened, 'Character C' beat the bejeezes out of that guy.

Which is exactly the type of arguement being presented to me here.

And;

Originally posted by Juntai ]In fact, show me some of Marvel characters strength based based characters [a character we can directly relate in a performance to Thanos] most impressive feats of raw strength over the last 10 years, and we'll put them up in a bracket against Superman's performances.

Because suggesting Thanos is physically stronger than character A) whos stronger than B) and C), does nothing for me when Superman and his DC peers operate on a drastically higher level physically on a regular basis.

And you've still yet to refute any of it. You just keep repeating the same nonsensical drivel that I've handled over and over already. Don't dodge the topics at hand, and then act like you have ME on the defensive and that you've actually accomplished something.

Every single one of you has dodged this for pages.

Originally posted by Juntai
Once it reverts to a slug-fest, and it will far more often than not, Superman holds the advantages in nearly every technical area of combat.

Originally posted by Juntai
First off, most of your post says things I never claimed. I never said Superman was more versatile. I never said Superman was going to speedblitz. I never said a lot of those things. The rest of that is dodging and tangents. Trying to get my focus off of what exactly this conversation was, which is;

More dodging I see. You asked for feats.. we gave you feats... I ask you questions.. YOu dodge questions YET AGAIN. yet you claim we are the ones dodging WTF. Answer my questions since you have YET to do so. Again, you keep on saying we haven't answered you question about feats that compare to supes we listed them. I then mentioned why it's nonsensical to ask for the same amount of feats that supes has to prove they are as strong. If Thor lifts a Sears tower with ease... does he need to lift the Library tower the next comic to prove he still can? No. Thor, Hulk, Hercules all have high end feats that stack up very nicely with Supes best feats. They don't need to do them every comic or as many times to continue to prove they still can. They did it, they can. Period. Your line of reasoning that they need to continue to do so is illogical.

Furthermore, you dodged all of my questions again. I know why, because you dno't like the answers you would have to give. For example superman in most of his comic book fights is really 1 - 1 not 1 - 0 just because he won the last fight. He usually get tooled around and beaten with ease.. then comes back and wins the second time. however, that doesn't change the fact that he lost the first fight and is thus 1 - 1

Originally posted by Juntai

Based off what?

1. Show me 10 instances where Supes blitzed an opponent of Thanos level that he never faced and beat him without getting hit oncef or the Ko. Shoot give me 5 instances. Problem is you won't find them. Thus this notion that it will revert to a fist fight is ludicris. Basied on what will this happen. Thanos has far far more options than Supes and doesn't have to make it a fist fight. However, if he choose to.. he has proven to deal with herald level characters with EASE. A mere pimpslap is all it takes. That is all. Supeman struggles with heralds in long draw out fights. That is all we need to know on who has the punchign power here to end the fight. It's certainly isn't supes.

2. Durability.. care to see who has more low druability showings to then determine who is more likley to be Ko'd first?

3. Lastly, you never answered my question about Thanos reaction speed. I know why.. well the same reason you haven't answered any of my questions. Do those scans and the scenes I referened show that Thanos has good reaction speed and most likely would be able to react to Superman as well?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
More dodging I see. You asked for feats.. we gave you feats... I ask you questions.. YOu dodge questions YET AGAIN. yet you claim we are the ones dodging WTF. Answer my questions since you have YET to do so. Again, you keep on saying we haven't answered you question about feats that compare to supes we listed them. I then mentioned why it's nonsensical to ask for the same amount of feats that supes has to prove they are as strong. If Thor lifts a Sears tower with ease... does he need to lift the Library tower the next comic to prove he still can? No. Thor, Hulk, Hercules all have high end feats that stack up very nicely with Supes best feats. They don't need to do them every comic or as many times to continue to prove they still can. They did it, they can. Period. Your line of reasoning that they need to continue to do so is illogical.

Furthermore, you dodged all of my questions again. I know why, because you dno't like the answers you would have to give. For example superman in most of his comic book fights is really 1 - 1 not 1 - 0 just because he won the last fight. He usually get tooled around and beaten with ease.. then comes back and wins the second time. however, that doesn't change the fact that he lost the first fight and is thus 1 - 1

You guys never fulfilled the request. And you still aren't even attempting to.

I see reaching, and whining.

The only feat from the last decade among those posted was the Hulk one, and it's not applicable, since Hulk at that level never faced Thanos, and still wasn't as impressive as Superman when he was still weaker, prior to his death.

That's what you don't understand.
It -does- matter how often they do it.

Just because you do once, at your most glorious moment in history, what Superman can do at the drop of the hat, any issue, does not make you near his caliber. It makes you clearly, blatantly, far from it.

The DC characters are just higher at this particular tier.

Deal with it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Based off what?

1. Show me 10 instances where Supes blitzed an opponent of Thanos level that he never faced and beat him without getting hit oncef or the Ko. Shoot give me 5 instances. Problem is you won't find them. Thus this notion that it will revert to a fist fight is ludicris. Basied on what will this happen. Thanos has far far more options than Supes and doesn't have to make it a fist fight. However, if he choose to.. he has proven to deal with herald level characters with EASE. A mere pimpslap is all it takes. That is all. Supeman struggles with heralds in long draw out fights. That is all we need to know on who has the punchign power here to end the fight. It's certainly isn't supes.

2. Durability.. care to see who has more low druability showings to then determine who is more likley to be Ko'd first?

3. Lastly, you never answered my question about Thanos reaction speed. I know why.. well the same reason you haven't answered any of my questions. Do those scans and the scenes I referened show that Thanos has good reaction speed and most likely would be able to react to Superman as well?

Strength.
Speed of body.
Handspeed.
Agility.
Flight.

etc etc etc.

You've yet to refute any of it, even now.

Instead you create tangents, like asking for scans of Despero and Martian Manhunter, and whine about the fact deep down that you know what I'm saying is true, and the feats support it, you just don't want to admit it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos' reaction speed is decent. The fact still remains, once this becomes a slug-fest, and it will, Superman has nearly every advantage going for him.

Strength.
Speed of body.
Handspeed.
Agility.
Flight.

etc etc etc.

You've yet to refute any of it, even now.

Originally posted by 753
body speed, hand speed and agilty amoun to the same. SM is indeed better in h2h speed and in flight. it makes no difference to the outcome. thanos crushes him

Thanos isn't crushing someone that's obviously at his level, or superior to him in every statistic involved in fighting.. Sorry.

If you believe so- back it up with more than hopes and dreams.
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Originally posted by 753
body speed, hand speed and agilty amoun to the same. SM is indeed better in h2h speed and in flight. it makes no difference to the outcome. thanos crushes him

Him beating Surfer, someone greatly inferior in CQC to Superman?

Originally posted by Juntai
I already answered those questions. No need to answer again. The rest was tangents from the topic at hand.

You guys never fulfilled the request. And you still aren't even attempting to.

I see reaching, and whining.

The only feat from the last decade among those posted was the Hulk one, and it's not applicable, since Hulk at that level never faced Thanos, and still wasn't as impressive as Superman when he was still weaker, prior to his death.

That's what you don't understand.
It -does- matter how often they do it.

Just because you do once, at your most glorious moment in history, what Superman can do at the drop of the hat, any issue, does not make you near his caliber. It makes you clearly, blatantly, far from it.

The DC characters are just higher at this particular tier.

Deal with it.

What feat from Superman are you talking about that's comparable to Hulk?

As for high end Superman level (higher imo)... Gladiator physically CONTAINED a solar system destroying blast... he contained it so tight that it created a star. He has crushed planets, moved planet sized objects, stopped an asteroid the size of Earths moon from destroying a planet...etc, etc... broke the bands of cytorrak with just a flex of his muscles... flew off with a ship the size of Texas faster than the eye could follow...punched a phoenix head off... punches were so strong that it was stated that if he continued fighting with Supreme, that they would have destroyed worlds. Has ripped stars in half, rest planets...

With all of this said, he would still lose to Thanos because they are in a different tier. Now again, what feats of Superman is greater than Hulk holding together a planet twice the size of Earth?

Originally posted by carver9
What feat from Superman are you talking about that's comparable to Hulk?

As for high end Superman level (higher imo)... Gladiator physically CONTAINED a solar system destroying blast... he contained it so tight that it created a star. He has crushed planets, moved planet sized objects, stopped an asteroid the size of Earths moon from destroying a planet...etc, etc... broke the bands of cytorrak with just a flex of his muscles... flew off with a ship the size of Texas faster than the eye could follow...punched a phoenix head off... punches were so strong that it was stated that if he continued fighting with Supreme, that they would have destroyed worlds. Has ripped stars in half, rest planets...

With all of this said, he would still lose to Thanos because they are in a different tier. Now again, what feats of Superman is greater than Hulk holding together a planet twice the size of Earth?

Nice hyperbole. Not to mention ignorance of Superman feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice hyperbole. Not to mention ignorance of Superman feats.

😆

How do you do that?

And what was hyperbole?

Originally posted by carver9
😆

How do you do that?

And what was hyperbole?