Originally posted by -Pr-
The scan was clear. It specifically said "last issue". Come on now.Superman, Surfer, Thor, Green Lantern.
Which ones? I'm looking at that exact comic right now. What Phoenix wielders are you talking about?
Naah, he took numerous of attacks from the skrulls before the blast and after it. They even admitted that they knew his weakness.
Oh, you are going to have to show me something indicating that they can contain a nuke let alone a blast of that magnetude.
I already showed you scans of Glads owning them.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Both Korvus and Rachel had some form of the Phoenix Force still... Rachel was around Herald-ish level.Technically he's right there.
Yeah, some. It just sounded like he was making it more than it was.
I actually thought he had better examples, tbh...
That's what I get for actually getting my hopes up. Disappointment.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, he took numerous of attacks from the skrulls before the blast and after it. They even admitted that they knew his weakness.Oh, you are going to have to show me something indicating that they can contain a nuke let alone a blast of that magnetude.
I already showed you scans of Glads owning them.
The scan said last issue. it's stated. I don't know how clear you want it to be. Seriously. It's not even debatable.
Are you kidding? If Rage saw that, he'd smack you over the head with his toy hammer.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, some. It just sounded like he was making it more than it was.I actually thought he had better examples, tbh...
That's what I get for actually getting my hopes up. Disappointment.
The scan said last issue. it's stated. I don't know how clear you want it to be. Seriously. It's not even debatable.
Are you kidding? If Rage saw that, he'd smack you over the head with his toy hammer.
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Well, I'm challenging Rage as well.
The examples I gave you were beastly. To just run through people possessing the phoenix force is hell of impressive... kind of like Prime running through someone with the ION power.
Ill let you have the fatigue scan even though Glads showed no damage at all per the scan I presented.
By the way, the guy I showed in the first scan had the FULL Phoenix force.
Originally posted by carver9
😆Well, I'm challenging Rage as well.
The examples I gave you were beastly. To just run through people possessing the phoenix force is hell of impressive... kind of like Prime running through someone with the ION power.
Ill let you have the fatigue scan even though Glads showed no damage at all per the scan I presented.
By the way, the guy I showed in the first scan had the FULL Phoenix force.
And you'll lose.
It's not NEARLY the same thing. At all. Rachel Grey has gotten knocked down by people weaker than Gladiator. Having the Phoenix Force (or a part of it) doesn't automatically make you a herald. It potentially will, but it's not like a light-switch.
It wasn't about physical damage. I said as much.
Yes, and he got beat by the Imperial Guard, and finished by Gladiator. Unless there's an issue where Gladiator gets in to an actual fight with him by himself and wins, it's not that big a deal.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And you'll lose.It's not NEARLY the same thing. At all. Rachel Grey has gotten knocked down by people weaker than Gladiator. Having the Phoenix Force (or a part of it) doesn't automatically make you a herald. It potentially will, but it's not like a light-switch.
It wasn't about physical damage. I said as much.
Yes, and he got beat by the Imperial Guard, and finished by Gladiator. Unless there's an issue where Gladiator gets in to an actual fight with him by himself and wins, it's not that big a deal.
Please look at the scan I presented with Glads knocking out Rachel... you'll see a phoenix wielder there as well. Look at the guy Glads is carrying around before punching Rachel. I didn't post that because of Rachel even though she has good durability as well.
Naah, I don't think ill lose since I don't think Thor could PHYSICALLY contain a blast of that magnetude outside of using his hammer.
Originally posted by carver9
Please look at the scan I presented with Glads knocking out Rachel... you'll see a phoenix wielder there as well. Look at the guy Glads is carrying around before punching Rachel. I didn't post that because of Rachel even though she has good durability as well.Naah, I don't think ill lose since I don't think Thor could PHYSICALLY contain a blast of that magnetude outside of using his hammer.
Emma Frost knocked out Rachel. It's not THAT big a deal.
Someone being a Phoenix wielder is like saying someone is an Omega. It in itself proves nothing. It's just a reading of potential.
Contained could mean tanking it, which Thor could do. So could Superman. Probably Norrin too.
Originally posted by kgkg
Can we not talk about Gladiator I thought this was Thanos vs Superman?
Yeah, it did get a little off topic.
Carver, save this stuff for the next Gladiator thread I KNOW you'll bring it up in. uhuh
Originally posted by -Pr-
Emma Frost knocked out Rachel. It's not THAT big a deal.Someone being a Phoenix wielder is like saying someone is an Omega. It in itself proves nothing. It's just a reading of potential.
Contained could mean tanking it, which Thor could do. So could Superman. Probably Norrin too.
Yeah, it did get a little off topic.
Carver, save this stuff for the next Gladiator thread I KNOW you'll bring it up in. uhuh
Pr...
Please let this be the last post because people are getting angry about our topic.
That's a low showing on Rachels part because she also have some high end feats.
He was a high end Phoenix wielder that contained "the FULL Phoenix force". Gladiator taking a phoenix down is a high end feat. If someone took a being down that had the FULL power of Galactus down, that would be a high end feat. He not only had the Phoenix force, but he was experienced with it and again, the Shiar crew feared him. Gladiator wiped through him twice, with ease.
No, Gladiator tanked AND contained the blast. If he didn't contain it, it would have destroyed half of the solar system, including Earth. Reed was having a panic attack and was releaved when Gladiator contained the blast. No Herald has ever demonstrated this type of power... hell, no "trans" never done this either.
Please don't warn me... I just read the bottom portion of your post.. just ignore this or copy it to another thread please. I typed so much knowledgeable info, don't want to delete this talent.
I'd have to reply to you, but I won't, because we're getting off topic.
I would seriously suggest not making points like those in other threads though. Half-truths and vagueries do nothing to help you in debates.
I also wouldn't make claims about characters you obviously don't know that well. That in itself is something Bada and I really discourage.
It was either that or call your post "total bullshit", so I am trying to be nice.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd have to reply to you, but I won't, because we're getting off topic.I would seriously suggest not making points like those in other threads though. Half-truths and vagueries do nothing to help you in debates.
I also wouldn't make claims about characters you obviously don't know that well. That in itself is something Bada and I really discourage.
It was either that or call your post "total bullshit", so I am trying to be nice.
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Lol... let's just go with the option that "I don't know the character".
Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos' reaction speed is decent. The fact still remains, once this becomes a slug-fest, and it will, Superman has nearly every advantage going for him.Strength.
Speed of body.
Handspeed.
Agility.
Flight.etc etc etc.
You've yet to refute any of it, even now.
Instead you create tangents, like asking for scans of Despero and Martian Manhunter, and whine about the fact deep down that you know what I'm saying is true, and the feats support it, you just don't want to admit it.
What on God's green earth makes you think it WILL become a slug-fest and superman has nearly every advantage when it does? I just listed numerous ways it WON'T become a slug-fest, and if that is the case, that has even MORE advantages than Supes "does" at a slug-fest. The advantages Thanos has over supes even if DOES become a slug-fest are Durability, MA Skill, Striking Power, ability to amp his punches, Shields just to name some. As we can see, even if it does go there, which isn't a given, Supes certainly doesn't have all of the advantages.
Furthermore, we HAVE answered you request for feats and named some that are very comparable to Supes high end feats. You still don't understand the concept of them not having to produce the name number of feats to prove they are at that level. Once Hulk, Thor, Herc, establish they can pull of crazy strength feats... they don't need to do it in every comic to know they still can. They have proven their strength and thus after that point it's a given. Spiderman doesn't need to toss a train each comic to prove he still can.
Lastly, you still ciontinue to dodge basic questions, and again, I know why because you don't like the answers to them.
1. Do villians have the same lifting or pulling feats that Heroes do and with the same regularity?
2. Who is stronger Despero or Superman?
3. Name me 5 instances where supes went all out with speed and power against a foe he didn't know that is on Thanos level. This is one question you hate, because you know you can't name them. Thus, it won't be in character for Supes to do so. Even if he did, he would still get owned by a variety of Thanos's tools
4. Why is it that Thanos doesn't lose to heralds ever.. yet Marvel takes the same stance many genre's do.. TV, Movies, Comics.. etc etc....The Good Guy wins. Marvel has this same stance.. Yet, they still don't have Thanos lose to their heralds who routinely beat people above them. Why... well the answer is quite clear.. because he is THAT much above them. Supes on the other hand... is shown as peers to Marvel, BA, Orion just to name a few. Stated by narration and action to be peers. Thanos is shown needing mere pimpslaps to deal with heralds like they are a bugs flying around him to annoy him. Huge Huge diference to superman fights that he ends up winning. They are long draw out affairs, and for good reason, because he isn't that much stronger than the villian or hero he is facing. Thanos on the other hand... well all he needs is a pimpslap and a laugh at them even trying to step to hiim. You don't see a major difference in how they are portrayed in comics against herald level people?
Try and answer these questions.. I know you won't.. and that just continues to prove my point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do villians have the same lifting or pulling feats that Heroes do and with the same regularity?
It's not our fault Thanos doesn't have even one. And because you know Thanos > heralds, you automatically assume that Thanos > Superman, because Superman is herald level, right ?
I disagree. Me thinks Superman, especially when looking at his high end feats, is beyond herald level. Just like Thanos.
But, for the sake of the argument, let's say Thing is 4 strength wise, Thor 5 and Hulk is 6. Where do you place Thanos and Superman ?