Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
No they don't. But when you claim Thanos is stronger than Superman, who is considered more or less the strongest of the classic characters, you really need at least a few strength feats.

It's not our fault Thanos doesn't have even one. And because you know Thanos > heralds, you automatically assume that Thanos > Superman, because Superman is herald level, right ?

I disagree. Me thinks Superman, especially when looking at his high end feats, is beyond herald level. Just like Thanos.

But, for the sake of the argument, let's say Thing is 4 strength wise, Thor 5 and Hulk is 6. Where do you place Thanos and Superman ?

Why do you say he's beyond them exactly? He's been shown through narration and action to be on THE SAME level as Marvel, BA and Orion.. Other fellow herald level characters. At NO POINT with any of these has he been shown to be well beyond them.. shoot even some what beyond them. That is in STARK contrast to how Thanos is portrayed. Thanos is shown to be considerably above them. So much so... all you need to do is how the fights are depicted. Superman is shown having to get serious, and even in doing so, it's a struggle and a prolonged fight. Again, that is in stark contrast to how Thanos is shown fighting heralds. He is shown, laughing at them for even trying to step to him, he's shown only needing mere pimpslaps to deal with them. Those are huge huge differences in how they are portrayed and how the fights play out. You need to look no further than those depictions of fights to know how is WELL beyond heralds, and who is in the same league as heralds and maybe slightly above the majority.

As far as you ranking system goes... I view Hulk Thor and Superman all around the same level. So it would be Thing 4, Thor 6.5, Hulk 6.5 and Superman 7. Thanos, well you can place him any place above that and there you have it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why do you say he's beyond them exactly? He's been shown through narration and action to be on THE SAME level as Marvel, BA and Orion.. Other fellow herald level characters. At NO POINT with any of these has he been shown to be well beyond them.. shoot even some what beyond them. That is in STARK contrast to how Thanos is portrayed. Thanos is shown to be considerably above them. So much so... all you need to do is how the fights are depicted. Superman is shown having to get serious, and even in doing so, it's a struggle and a prolonged fight. Again, that is in stark contrast to how Thanos is shown fighting heralds. He is shown, laughing at them for even trying to step to him, he's shown only needing mere pimpslaps to deal with them. Those are huge huge differences in how they are portrayed and how the fights play out. You need to look no further than those depictions of fights to know how is WELL beyond heralds, and who is in the same league as heralds and maybe slightly above the majority.

As far as you ranking system goes... I view Hulk Thor and Superman all around the same level. So it would be Thing 4, Thor 6.5, Hulk 6.5 and Superman 7. Thanos, well you can place him any place above that and there you have it.

If so, then are these other herald beings stronger than Superman?

If not, then do you see how your logic fails?

remember this guy?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What on God's green earth makes you think it WILL become a slug-fest and superman has nearly every advantage when it does? I just listed numerous ways it WON'T become a slug-fest, and if that is the case, that has even MORE advantages than Supes "does" at a slug-fest. The advantages Thanos has over supes even if DOES become a slug-fest are Durability, MA Skill, Striking Power, ability to amp his punches, Shields just to name some. As we can see, even if it does go there, which isn't a given, Supes certainly doesn't have all of the advantages.

Furthermore, we HAVE answered you request for feats and named some that are very comparable to Supes high end feats. You still don't understand the concept of them not having to produce the name number of feats to prove they are at that level. Once Hulk, Thor, Herc, establish they can pull of crazy strength feats... they don't need to do it in every comic to know they still can. They have proven their strength and thus after that point it's a given. Spiderman doesn't need to toss a train each comic to prove he still can.

Lastly, you still ciontinue to dodge basic questions, and again, I know why because you don't like the answers to them.

1. Do villians have the same lifting or pulling feats that Heroes do and with the same regularity?

2. Who is stronger Despero or Superman?

3. Name me 5 instances where supes went all out with speed and power against a foe he didn't know that is on Thanos level. This is one question you hate, because you know you can't name them. Thus, it won't be in character for Supes to do so. Even if he did, he would still get owned by a variety of Thanos's tools

4. Why is it that Thanos doesn't lose to heralds ever.. yet Marvel takes the same stance many genre's do.. TV, Movies, Comics.. etc etc....The Good Guy wins. Marvel has this same stance.. Yet, they still don't have Thanos lose to their heralds who routinely beat people above them. Why... well the answer is quite clear.. because he is THAT much above them. Supes on the other hand... is shown as peers to Marvel, BA, Orion just to name a few. Stated by narration and action to be peers. Thanos is shown needing mere pimpslaps to deal with heralds like they are a bugs flying around him to annoy him. Huge Huge diference to superman fights that he ends up winning. They are long draw out affairs, and for good reason, because he isn't that much stronger than the villian or hero he is facing. Thanos on the other hand... well all he needs is a pimpslap and a laugh at them even trying to step to hiim. You don't see a major difference in how they are portrayed in comics against herald level people?

Try and answer these questions.. I know you won't.. and that just continues to prove my point.

Striking power?
No.

Ability to amp strikes?
To Superman's level? Probably not.

Not all villains do, no.

Superman is stronger than Despero. This is why when Despero attacked the JLA a bit ago, he fought all the others, and mind controlled them, and used them to help him fight Superman.

Or you know, Superman just downs him with a single shot of heat vision. Supes is stronger, -and- more powerful.

Lobo can yank a ****ing a star out of the sky, and he's not stronger than Superman either. He's not even stronger than Supergirl for that matter. And she's not even close to Superman's bracket either.

That's something you don't understand, Superman rarely uses the full extent of his power and skill, he described it to Supergirl when she going around the DCU clobbering everyone and people kept exclaiming that she was stronger than Superman. When she finally ran into Superman, he let her know, quite plainly, that he holds back because of his heritage and his teaching, and he understands what he can do if he were to cut loose. But that any time he wanted to, he could put her down. And said it so coolly, that you're left with the impression that it would be an effortless endeavor.

Superman's performances against other top tiers from DC doesn't mean a lot. As I pointed out with the Lobo feat, guys that are several tiers below Superman do things that Thanos couldn't do.

Darkseid backhands people just like Thanos does;
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA-Annual09-36.jpg
Here he leaves Captain Atom unconscious with one backhand.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg12.jpg
Here he crumples Kalibak with a single backhand.

There's tons of examples of this, that's just two I grabbed quickly.

In fact, Lobo and Supergirl have both tried to attack Darkseid at different times, and it appeared that he could barely even feel their blows at all. Couldn't even budge him.

Meanwhile Superman?
Can either outright manhandle him, or spin in a circle real fast and deal with him.

You see, Superman has 'peers', guys that, not holding back, operate just at or below him. .. but that's entirely when he's holding back. Which has been made abundantly clear for very very long time to anyone who actually bothers to read Superman.

You know, someone even showed Thanos smashing two brutes heads together as if it were an example of what he does to guys in Superman's league [as if Prof. Hulk and Thing are even in that league], and a scan was posted like a post later of Superman doing it as well to two equally- if not more impressive- characters.

Do you need examples of Superman fighting off hordes of his 'peers' as if it were effortless too? Because those exist as well. He took down power girl, green lantern, captain atom, and many others, and it only took him a couple of panels to do it. That's just one example.
He can make quicker work of a group of top tiers and heralds than Thanos can.

Black Adam is Superman's peer, but when Superman turns it up a couple notches, he tucks his tail between his legs.

Right before his death, Orion tried to attack Superman with intent to kill, Superman slaps him away and then blocks the astro force by holding his arm up. It doesn't even budge him. Orion is nearly peers to Darkseid, and both are below Superman, by showing.

The JLA are Superman's Peers right?

I mean, they're all ****ed up and unconscious, and he wasn't even trying yet? What a dick.

Look, I understand what you're trying to do, but regardless of the way we play the feat game, Superman is going to win. Over the last decade and then some, he's been the most impressive comic character in this entire bracket. As Phil said, you can pick any random 5 years in the last decade or so, and you can find feats that match to nearly any character's all time absolute most impressive one-shot feats. What guys like Hulk, Thor, and those characters can do at their absolute most impressive moments in history in terms of strength and striking, etc, Superman can casually do issue to issue. And it's not even a stress for him to do it.

Anyways, you still have yet to respond to these adequately;

In fact, show me some of Marvel characters strength based based characters [a character we can directly relate in a performance to Thanos] most impressive feats of raw strength over the last 10 years, and we'll put them up in a bracket against Superman's performances.

Because suggesting Thanos is physically stronger than character A) whos stronger than B) and C), does nothing for me when Superman and his DC peers operate on a drastically higher level physically on a regular basis.

No sir, lifting, pulling, real feats of strength that don't involve A> B > C character-wise are what I'm after.

But either way, this is ridiculously more powerful version Hulk than Thanos ever faced, so there's no way to bring it back to him in a comparison of raw physical strength.

The point of the challenge is that Marvel characters drop a feat of strength akin to one that Superman do once every dozen years or something, pushing their limits to extremes, in their greatest ever showings, to match the stuff Superman does arc to arc.

We have multiple instances -- all recent -- of Superman in combat casually and repeatedly throwing punches that would shatter a moon, not even suggesting he's at his limit, but more-so, impressed when an enemy shrugs them off. When a Marvel 'Character A' does something even remotely close to it, it's a ****ing two page spread, with lots of pretty extra lines and shit, that will go down as one of the highlights of their 40 year history, and will be used as a benchmark of why they're in a 'Superman level' class, even though it's quite blatantly obvious to anyone following the trend of Superman doing amazing shit, that it's anything but the truth. Then they conflate this event onto another character, because 10 years before this event even happened, 'Character C' beat the bejeezes out of that guy.

Which is exactly the type of arguement being presented to me here.

Originally posted by Juntai
I already answered those questions. No need to answer again. The rest was tangents from the topic at hand.

You guys never fulfilled the request. And you still aren't even attempting to.

I see reaching, and whining.

The only feat from the last decade among those posted was the Hulk one, and it's not applicable, since Hulk at that level never faced Thanos, and still wasn't as impressive as Superman when he was still weaker, prior to his death.

That's what you don't understand.
It -does- matter how often they do it.

Just because you do once, at your most glorious moment in history, what Superman can do at the drop of the hat, any issue, does not make you near his caliber. It makes you clearly, blatantly, far from it.

I mean, I understand whole heartedly that you're not going to concede to Superman being stronger, even though the proof, the feats, any way we add them up and stack them up, are in favor of Superman.

He's here locked up against your favorite character, even your name is the same as one of the Thanos clones. Heh. It's just the nature of the beast.

You're like Quanchi, just only mildly delusional by comparison.
At least you don't believe he could beat Spectre, that's a start.

I'm only even entertaining this rather one side rape-fest we're masquerading as a debate because the Playstation Network is down so in my downtime, I have little else to do.

Originally posted by Juntai
I mean, I understand whole heartedly that you're not going to concede to Superman being stronger, even though the proof, the feats, any way we add them up and stack them up, are in favor of Superman.

I'm only even entertaining this rather one side rape-fest we're masquerading

Originally posted by Juntai
Fighting skill?
No.

Striking power?
No.

Ability to amp strikes?
To Superman's level? Probably not.

Not all villains do, no.

Superman is stronger than Despero. This is why when Despero attacked the JLA a bit ago, he fought all the others, and mind controlled them, and used them to help him fight Superman.

Or you know, Superman just downs him with a single shot of heat vision. Supes is stronger, -and- more powerful.

Lobo can yank a ****ing a star out of the sky, and he's not stronger than Superman either. He's not even stronger than Supergirl for that matter. And she's not even close to Superman's bracket either.

That's something you don't understand, Superman rarely uses the full extent of his power and skill, he described it to Supergirl when she going around the DCU clobbering everyone and people kept exclaiming that she was stronger than Superman. When she finally ran into Superman, he let her know, quite plainly, that he holds back because of his heritage and his teaching, and he understands what he can do if he were to cut loose. But that any time he wanted to, he could put her down. And said it so coolly, that you're left with the impression that it would be an effortless endeavor.

Superman's performances against other top tiers from DC doesn't mean a lot. As I pointed out with the Lobo feat, guys that are several tiers below Superman do things that Thanos couldn't do.

Darkseid backhands people just like Thanos does;
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA-Annual09-36.jpg
Here he leaves Captain Atom unconscious with one backhand.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg12.jpg
Here he crumples Kalibak with a single backhand.

There's tons of examples of this, that's just two I grabbed quickly.

In fact, Lobo and Supergirl have both tried to attack Darkseid at different times, and it appeared that he could barely even feel their blows at all. Couldn't even budge him.

Meanwhile Superman?
Can either outright manhandle him, or spin in a circle real fast and deal with him.

You see, Superman has 'peers', guys that, not holding back, operate just at or below him. .. but that's entirely when he's holding back. Which has been made abundantly clear for very very long time to anyone who actually bothers to read Superman.

You know, someone even showed Thanos smashing two brutes heads together as if it were an example of what he does to guys in Superman's league [as if Prof. Hulk and Thing are even in that league], and a scan was posted like a post later of Superman doing it as well to two equally- if not more impressive- characters.

Do you need examples of Superman fighting off hordes of his 'peers' as if it were effortless too? Because those exist as well. He took down power girl, green lantern, captain atom, and many others, and it only took him a couple of panels to do it. That's just one example.
He can make quicker work of a group of top tiers and heralds than Thanos can.

Black Adam is Superman's peer, but when Superman turns it up a couple notches, he tucks his tail between his legs.

Right before his death, Orion tried to attack Superman with intent to kill, Superman slaps him away and then blocks the astro force by holding his arm up. It doesn't even budge him. Orion is nearly peers to Darkseid, and both are below Superman, by showing.

The JLA are Superman's Peers right?

I mean, they're all ****ed up and unconscious, and he wasn't even trying yet? What a dick.

Look, I understand what you're trying to do, but regardless of the way we play the feat game, Superman is going to win. Over the last decade and then some, he's been the most impressive comic character in this entire bracket. As Phil said, you can pick any random 5 years in the last decade or so, and you can find feats that match to nearly any character's all time absolute most impressive one-shot feats. What guys like Hulk, Thor, and those characters can do at their absolute most impressive moments in history in terms of strength and striking, etc, Superman can casually do issue to issue. And it's not even a stress for him to do it.

Now post the Amazo fight where all the JLA were down and out but Wonder Woman was the only one standing to take Amazo out and actually stalemated him/defeated him.

She has had just as many high lighted moments as Clark when he is out of the fight.

Or you know, Superman just downs him with a single shot of heat vision. Supes is stronger, -and- more powerful.
That wasn't even close to sufficing a responding to my questions.

Fighting skill - no - WTF. Thanos has studied MA for eons more than Superman has even been alive. He trained Gamora in MA and helped make her what she is. We're talking about someone who knows 85% of all armed and unarmed combat in the universe. They aren't even close to the same level in skill. Superman goes to a streel leveler for skill training.. he doesnt' do the training.. huge difference. The only skill superman is superior at in brawl skill. I will give him that. MA Skill no way no how.

Striking power - no - an ever bigger WTF. This isn't even close. Thanos crushes people with the same durability if not higher than Superman with a few punches and almost kills them. Superman doesn't have one showing like that. Superman has zero showings like this. Superman LOSSES the first fight against the villian pretty much everytime.. only to come back to win the second time. That means he's still 1-1 while Thanos against heralds is always 1-0 . You need to look no further then how they fights play out.. Superman NOT holding back.. has a prolonged fight with a villian and finally beats him.. Thanos pimpslaps heroes and ends fights. That is ALL he needs to do. Laughing the whole time, as if it's funny they are even stepping to him, and these heroes are going all out. A stark stark contrast to how Superman's fight look. He gets serious and a long drawn out fight ensues. That is proof enough how much above Heralds Thanos is, while superman, they are peers to him.

1. Glad you admit villians don't have lifting or pulling feats, and thus, that is a horrible variable to judge strength by when comparing the to. Finally.

2. Superman is stronger than Despero.. really now.. He NEVER overpowerd Despero at all. He one shot him with HV. Heat clearly effecting Despero. Fact is, when it was at close quarters combat, despero was treating Superman and the JLA like weak feebs. So, where are you getting this notion that Despero is weaker than Superman? He was being tossed around like an annoyance nothing more. So, what is the basis for saying Superman is stronger?

3. You keep on talking about how Superman rarely uses the full extent of his powers, but when he does, he kicks some ass. Great, Thanos NEVER uses the full extent of his powers and still all he needs are mere pimpslaps to put heralds in the same league as superman down with ease. A not trying or using all his powers Thanos, only needs pimpslaps.. nothing more. Superman needs to let loose totally to even be able to beat herald level charactes or slightly above. A huge huge difference there that logic and common sense then tell us who must be stronger and more powerufl.

4. YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. Please name me 5.. only 5 situations in Superman's long long history of appearances and saving the day.. where Superman blitzes right away, against a foe he's never fought, and that foe is on Thanos level. Said foe never touches Superman before being put down. That is how you're saying this fight will go and there is ONE OUNCE of evidence that superman will fight that way, let alone be able to be anybody on Thanos's level that way.

5. Yes DS pimpslaps people to.. just not with the regularity that Thanos does. I wouldn't bring up DS doing so, as that is really counter productive to your argument. Why? That is easy because DS has also done so to Superman and treated him like a weak feeb. So really I'm not sure why you even brought that up because it only hurts your case. In fact, Superman has lost more times then he's one against DS (a Thanos peer) that further hurts the point you are trying to make.

6. BA tucks tail and runs WTF. Did you miss the part where BA wasn't even trying and didn't even register Superman as any kind of threat. He was tooling superman with ease. Nothing about that fight indicated Superman was superior in anyway. IN fact, it showed the opposite. Superman was trying more than BA and pissed... BA wasn't even trying, yet he was getting the better of Superman.

7. It's laughable you try and spin the Orion fight in that manner. Orion has BEAT superman and looked SUPERIOR more times than he's not. Those are the plain hard facts. Nothing you can spin will ever change that fact. So we have Marvel, BA and Orion all coming out looking better than superior most of the times they have met. Those are the hard facts of what Supes does against Heralds. What does Thanos do... he dismisses them like insects and laughs at them for even stepping to him. He kills them with a few punches. He one shot omni blasts another with the Soul gem. These are feats of blasting and striking power that supreman hss NEVER shown. EVER. If you can show me superman one shott KILING a HH with a powerful artifact let me know. Problem is, you have no such times. With Thanos, that is just par for the course.

What it all comes down to is that Superman has peers... peers of the herald class that have shown to be on his level countless times through action and narration. Thanos doesn't have ANY peers in the herald class. NONE. The writers and artists at Marvel have Thanos laughing and mockign heralds for even stepping to hiim, and simply dismissing them like srubs with a pimpslap. Superman, needs to really let loose and go for broke to even gain the upperhand, and even then it's a long fight. That is THE major difference that illustrates powerlevel and why Thanos is clearly and unmistakably above superman in terms of power and strength.

Originally posted by Juntai
I mean, I understand whole heartedly that you're not going to concede to Superman being stronger, even though the proof, the feats, any way we add them up and stack them up, are in favor of Superman.

He's here locked up against your favorite character, even your name is the same as one of the Thanos clones. Heh. It's just the nature of the beast.

You're like Quanchi, just only mildly delusional by comparison.
At least you don't believe he could beat Spectre, that's a start.

I'm only even entertaining this rather one side rape-fest we're masquerading as a debate because the Playstation Network is down so in my downtime, I have little else to do.

I actually chuckled when I read this. First, you need to get the real system buddy.. xbox 🙂

Second, I just named numerous ways we see Thanos as superior in strength. When we look at how they are depicted against heralds it becomes clear who is stronger. Thanos only needs mere pimpslaps to dismiss people superman has to go all out against in long fights to beat. That alone, makes it clear who is clearly and abundantly stronger. One has to use little effort to beat peers of Superman, who in contrats needs to let loose to beat (and through narration and actions are shown to be peers of superman) So no, we can slice it many ways and it still comes out that Thanos is stronger. The only way it doesn't, is only looking at lifting and pulling feats. However, you already conceded villians don't have those and thus not a valid comparison to use.

Hey KURRUPT, your boner is showing.

LOL LMAO. Good one Short Twig, that was actually good.

First off, I never said he was going to speed-blitz him without being touched. You've been trying to make me say lots of random things I haven't said in all of your posts. It shows your desperation. That you have to make it seem as though as I'm saying things that clearly I'm not.

The rest of that?
Amounts to "but but but. . . nuh uh.".
It's already been dealt with.
I explained scenario after scenario. All on panel.

I'm tired of going in circles.
I covered the Black Adam thing like 6 ****ing times already.

He admitted he didn't need to hold back like he does with others, but you need to pay attention the rest of the story -- He said he and Adam were hitting each other with punches like small bombs. Later, Superman suggested he was going to end it, and was about to throw punches like he was at Konvict and Infinity Man, that could crack a moon in half, and Black Adam smartly backed down instead of letting it escalate. See the difference in the scope of the blows kid? If you actually bothered to READ a comic, you would notice details like this. Neither one of them were going ALL OUT. So get that shit out of your head.

That was just a few pages ago.
Adam backed down.
But see how tiring this is getting?

Do I need to prove the Orion thing again?
Their most recent encounters and benchmarks between the two?
Darkseid and Orion are 'peers', in fact, Orion was below Darkseid until he was ressurected and empowered with the purpose to rip out his heart- ala, Drax. Darkseid treats heralds and top tiers like a ***** when he runs into him. But Superman treats Darkseid like a ***** when he runs into him. That should tell you everything you need to know about the power gap between Thanos and Superman. See how easy that is?

Orion, in his most recent encounter with Superman, prior to Death, went at Superman - with intent to kill him- was shrugged aside effortlessly and then just held up his arm to block Orion's Astro Force.

How many more times are we going to go over this?

Right before he died, in Death of the New Gods, he sucker punched Superman, and Superman just punched him right back and sent him tubling, Orion was ready to kill Superman, literally. He shot him with the Astro Force. I'm wanting to off on a limb and say it wasn't a warning shot when he's screaming his head off about kryptonian bones and what-not... What happened then? Superman held up his forearm and and might as well have been a squirt gun.

Right before his death, Orion tried to attack Superman with intent to kill, Superman slaps him away and then blocks the astro force by holding his arm up. It doesn't even budge him. Orion is nearly peers to Darkseid, and both are below Superman, by showing.

I'm making points. You're running a gamut of tangents and off topic shit, or stuff I already covered.

Superman is stronger, and blatantly so than the Marvel counterparts that Thanos slaps around.
In fact, he slaps around the guys that slap around his 'peers'.
I even showed that.

Thanos doesn't match up to Superman once it becomes a slugfest, and certainly in most encounters it will. His durability can keep him in it for a bit, but Superman is physically overbearing compared to him. Speed, strength, flight, hand speed, etc.

The only thing you're doing is living in pure denial. Then you attempt to spin the yarn and the pull the wool to mask the fact that everything you've said has already been covered. So you run off on tangents or just 'nuh uh.', when I'm pointing out actual in comic references. And lastly, when that fails- you could always, you know, make up shit that I'm saying and pretend I said it, and then write a response to it. You've done that several times already as well.

I doubt he even reads your posts, Junt. He just screams Thanos' name and pounds his head into the keyboard. What do you really expect out of the guy?

"Spin the yarn and pull the wool"? Very poetic. 😂

Originally posted by carver9
Now post the Amazo fight where all the JLA were down and out but Wonder Woman was the only one standing to take Amazo out and actually stalemated him/defeated him.

She has had just as many high lighted moments as Clark when he is out of the fight.

Not really.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I actually chuckled when I read this. First, you need to get the real system buddy.. xbox 🙂

Second, I just named numerous ways we see Thanos as superior in strength. When we look at how they are depicted against heralds it becomes clear who is stronger. Thanos only needs mere pimpslaps to dismiss people superman has to go all out against in long fights to beat. That alone, makes it clear who is clearly and abundantly stronger. One has to use little effort to beat peers of Superman, who in contrats needs to let loose to beat (and through narration and actions are shown to be peers of superman) So no, we can slice it many ways and it still comes out that Thanos is stronger. The only way it doesn't, is only looking at lifting and pulling feats. However, you already conceded villians don't have those and thus not a valid comparison to use.

Thanos has never beat anyone with a pimpsmack, as in ko or kill. Not even close. Superman can pimpsmack any herald as well.

Lastly, you are assuming the ones he pimpsmack are superior or equals to Superman in the strength dept. If you think so, then explain how their strength compares. 🙄

Since everyone Thanos has fought is a weakling maybe we should compare Kal's strength... To Tyrant.

Tyrant manhandled several heralds at once without any trouble, as Juntai claims that Kal has done in, a regular basis? He also has the better feats. My conclusion is that Superman beats Tyrant easily, so me must beat Thanos.

Originally posted by Bentley
Since everyone Thanos has fought is a weakling maybe we should compare Kal's strength... To Tyrant.

Tyrant manhandled several heralds at once without any trouble, as Juntai claims that Kal has done in, a regular basis? He also has the better feats. My conclusion is that Superman beats Tyrant easily, so me must beat Thanos.

Conclusion: Thanos hit Tyrant with the orb, fought him a few seconds or so and ran away. Yeah, Superman could never, never do the same thing lol 😆

Originally posted by Juntai
First off, I never said he was going to speed-blitz him without being touched. You've been trying to make me say lots of random things I haven't said in all of your posts. It shows your desperation. That you have to make it seem as though as I'm saying things that clearly I'm not.

The rest of that?
Amounts to "but but but. . . nuh uh.".
It's already been dealt with.
I explained scenario after scenario. All on panel.

I'm tired of going in circles.
I covered the Black Adam thing like 6 ****ing times already.

That was just a few pages ago.
Adam backed down.
But see how tiring this is getting?

Do I need to prove the Orion thing again?
Their most recent encounters and benchmarks between the two?
Darkseid and Orion are 'peers', in fact, Orion was below Darkseid until he was ressurected and empowered with the purpose to rip out his heart- ala, Drax. Darkseid treats heralds and top tiers like a ***** when he runs into him. But Superman treats Darkseid like a ***** when he runs into him. That should tell you everything you need to know about the power gap between Thanos and Superman. See how easy that is?

Orion, in his most recent encounter with Superman, prior to Death, went at Superman - with intent to kill him- was shrugged aside effortlessly and then just held up his arm to block Orion's Astro Force.

How many more times are we going to go over this?

I'm making points. You're running a gamut of tangents and off topic shit, or stuff I already covered.

Superman is stronger, and blatantly so than the Marvel counterparts that Thanos slaps around.
In fact, he slaps around the guys that slap around his 'peers'.
I even showed that.

Thanos doesn't match up to Superman once it becomes a slugfest, and certainly in most encounters it will. His durability can keep him in it for a bit, but Superman is physically overbearing compared to him. Speed, strength, flight, hand speed, etc.

The only thing you're doing is living in pure denial. Then you attempt to spin the yarn and the pull the wool to mask the fact that everything you've said has already been covered. So you run off on tangents or just 'nuh uh.', when I'm pointing out actual in comic references. And lastly, when that fails- you could always, you know, make up shit that I'm saying and pretend I said it, and then write a response to it. You've done that several times already as well.

If he doesn't speed blitz then he has ZERO chance, so you just basically conceded. Do you actually believe Superman get let Thanos get off blows without trying to speed as quick as possible and PRAY he can KO thanos. That IS his only chance. Rightfully so, you concede that isn't in character for him to do, and thus he won't fight that way. This is the EXACT reason Thanos wins so easily. Thanos has way way more options if Superman doesn't do so.

Just because of YOUR re-telling of the story is repeated doesn't mean it's correct. I'm not sure why you think it does, but it's amusing to see you say that. Superman saying he is going to let loose is exactly that, him just SAYING he is going to do so. We saw ZERO action on what that would ACTUALLY do to BA. That is like me saying I'm going to kick your ass, you back down.. does that mean it was a for sure.. no. Very simple easy logic and common sense that you TRIED to throw out the window. Here are the facts that you can't EVER get around.

1. BA, Marvel, Orion are shown as peers to Superman on numerous occasions through narration and action. Heralds are not considered peers to Thanos. In fact, he laughs at them and mocks them for even trying to step to him. This is in STARK contrast to superman interacting with other heralds. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. Superamn needs to get serious in order to possibly gain any upperhand. Does Thanos need to? Nope, all he needs is a good chuckle and a pimp slap. Superman needs to let loose and still has a long drawn out fight. This clearly beyond any doubt shows who is clearly and decisively above heralds and who is not.

2. Superman doesn't have the durablity that Thanos has. There is no way around this fact and gives Thanos a clear edge when he does tag superman

3. Thanos is also way more versatile than Superman and thus has many more ways to win this fight. Superman needs it to go perfect for him to win. Thanos, well, he can play around and still win like he does with all other heralds.

4. When Thanos fight Top Tiers... he beats them the first time and with little difficulty. A big big difference in how superman wins... He losses the first time and gets manhandled usually. Then comes back to win the second time. Thanos needs no second time or to get serious, he is just that much above Top Tiers it's amusing when they challenge him.

5. Blasting Power and striking power... We've seen Thanos one shot kill top tiers Warlock with the Soul Gem and other herald level characters in Drax and Phyla (as the avatar of death) in one shot. We've NEVER seen superman even do this. We've seen Thanos basically kill a peak herald with a few punches... we've NEVER seen superman do so. Is this picture becoming more and more clear on how they are portrayed?

6. DS who isn't nearly as formidable in cqc as Thanos but a relative peer to Thanos.. has beaten superman more times than superman has beaten him. Guess what... as he's needed is a mere pimpslap to do so. Sounds very familiar doesn't it? That shows the power difference between the two. One doesn't take him seriously and swats him away like a fly.. the other needs to sundip and get really pissed to gain the upperhand on an overconfident foe. Problem is, if DS or Thanos get SERIOUS and go ALL OUT like how envision Superman doing (the only way he can win) well... we're talking about mere gestures and punches to deal with superman.

Lastly, you dodged it again in explaining HOW superman is stronger than Despero. You could argue more powerful in an overall sense when you include durability and ernergy output. Afterall, superman did one shot Despero. However, stronger... no way. You have YET to justify how Superman could be stronger, when he was getting thrown around like a child. He looked like a weak feeb when he tried cqc against Despero. SO please, for the love of God, tell me how Superman still appeared stronger to you after that comic.

I know what you're trying to do, but it really can only get you so far. You want us to forget about how Thanos and superman are portrayed in comics in relation to other heralds. One is shown as peers to heralds who has to let loose to gain any upperhand, if at all. The other, well heralds are a joke to him and all he needs is a laugh and a pimpslap to win. NO matter how hard you want to divert our attention away from this fact, the fact remains, this is how they are portrayed. You instead want to focus on lifting and pulling feats in some desperate attempt to show Superman is stronger. Yet, that has failed because you admit villians wont' have lifting feats, and thus that can't be the variable we use to determine who is stronger. So what we are left with is how they are portrayed against other heralds... and there is just no way of getting around that fact.