Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
That's not even a nice try. Thanos ran away because he knew he couldn't win. You make it seem like Thanos actually beat Tyrant. Thanos hit Tyrant with an orb by the way, a fact you seem to ignore.Conclusion: Thanos hit Tyrant with the orb, fought him a few seconds or so and ran away. Yeah, Superman could never, never do the same thing lol 😆
Thanos did fought Tyrant and seemed evenly matched for a while. The guy trashed Gladiator, BRB and Surfer at the same time. Handlocking him in a showing of strength is a valid feat... Right?
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Look what the thing did to champion of the Universe,
The Thing did shit. Champion pity him, said he was worthy, and let the Earth alone. Thanos owned Champion. In their second encounter, Thanos stayed on his fat ass, and blast the bejeezus out of him with one finger.
There is no getting around this and how they are portrayed against Heralds... One is a peer to heralds via narration and action, who hast to really let loose to gain any upperhand if at all. The other laughs and heralds for even stepping to him and dismisses them with ease without ever having to let loose. There is no getting around this clear portrayal as show below.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If he doesn't speed blitz then he has ZERO chance, so you just basically conceded. Do you actually believe Superman get let Thanos get off blows without trying to speed as quick as possible and PRAY he can KO thanos. That IS his only chance. Rightfully so, you concede that isn't in character for him to do, and thus he won't fight that way. This is the EXACT reason Thanos wins so easily. Thanos has way way more options if Superman doesn't do so.Just because of YOUR re-telling of the story is repeated doesn't mean it's correct. I'm not sure why you think it does, but it's amusing to see you say that. Superman saying he is going to let loose is exactly that, him just SAYING he is going to do so. We saw ZERO action on what that would ACTUALLY do to BA. That is like me saying I'm going to kick your ass, you back down.. does that mean it was a for sure.. no. Very simple easy logic and common sense that you TRIED to throw out the window. Here are the facts that you can't EVER get around.
1. BA, Marvel, Orion are shown as peers to Superman on numerous occasions through narration and action. Heralds are not considered peers to Thanos. In fact, he laughs at them and mocks them for even trying to step to him. This is in STARK contrast to superman interacting with other heralds. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. Superamn needs to get serious in order to possibly gain any upperhand. Does Thanos need to? Nope, all he needs is a good chuckle and a pimp slap. Superman needs to let loose and still has a long drawn out fight. This clearly beyond any doubt shows who is clearly and decisively above heralds and who is not.
2. Superman doesn't have the durablity that Thanos has. There is no way around this fact and gives Thanos a clear edge when he does tag superman
3. Thanos is also way more versatile than Superman and thus has many more ways to win this fight. Superman needs it to go perfect for him to win. Thanos, well, he can play around and still win like he does with all other heralds.
4. When Thanos fight Top Tiers... he beats them the first time and with little difficulty. A big big difference in how superman wins... He losses the first time and gets manhandled usually. Then comes back to win the second time. Thanos needs no second time or to get serious, he is just that much above Top Tiers it's amusing when they challenge him.
5. Blasting Power and striking power... We've seen Thanos one shot kill top tiers Warlock with the Soul Gem and other herald level characters in Drax and Phyla (as the avatar of death) in one shot. We've NEVER seen superman even do this. We've seen Thanos basically kill a peak herald with a few punches... we've NEVER seen superman do so. Is this picture becoming more and more clear on how they are portrayed?
6. DS who isn't nearly as formidable in cqc as Thanos but a relative peer to Thanos.. has beaten superman more times than superman has beaten him. Guess what... as he's needed is a mere pimpslap to do so. Sounds very familiar doesn't it? That shows the power difference between the two. One doesn't take him seriously and swats him away like a fly.. the other needs to sundip and get really pissed to gain the upperhand on an overconfident foe. Problem is, if DS or Thanos get SERIOUS and go ALL OUT like how envision Superman doing (the only way he can win) well... we're talking about mere gestures and punches to deal with superman.
Lastly, you dodged it again in explaining HOW superman is stronger than Despero. You could argue more powerful in an overall sense when you include durability and ernergy output. Afterall, superman did one shot Despero. However, stronger... no way. You have YET to justify how Superman could be stronger, when he was getting thrown around like a child. He looked like a weak feeb when he tried cqc against Despero. SO please, for the love of God, tell me how Superman still appeared stronger to you after that comic.
I know what you're trying to do, but it really can only get you so far. You want us to forget about how Thanos and superman are portrayed in comics in relation to other heralds. One is shown as peers to heralds who has to let loose to gain any upperhand, if at all. The other, well heralds are a joke to him and all he needs is a laugh and a pimpslap to win. NO matter how hard you want to divert our attention away from this fact, the fact remains, this is how they are portrayed. You instead want to focus on lifting and pulling feats in some desperate attempt to show Superman is stronger. Yet, that has failed because you admit villians wont' have lifting feats, and thus that can't be the variable we use to determine who is stronger. So what we are left with is how they are portrayed against other heralds... and there is just no way of getting around that fact.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There is no getting around this and how they are portrayed against Heralds... One is a peer to heralds via narration and action, who hast to really let loose to gain any upperhand if at all. The other laughs and heralds for even stepping to him and dismisses them with ease without ever having to let loose. There is no getting around this clear portrayal as show below.
One is a peer when holding back; however, when everone falls but him he normally wins the day alone.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
and that proves? Thanos has finger blasts that hurt Champion.
While the Thing was ass-raped by Champion.
That proves that Thanos is so much powerful that those two clowns it's not funny.
Thanos operate in the same level of power that Zeus and Odin work. Those two would pull a majority on Thanos (I say a solid 9/10 or even 10/10), no argue with that, but Thanos can take their best shot, and give some.
He would murder anyone classified as "Herald": he already did Surfer several times, which is aknowledge as the top 1 or 2 of this "weight class", have pwnd Thor too, the other top 1 or 2 of the "Heralds class", and would do Superman as easely as those two.
The end.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
While the Thing was ass-raped by Champion.
That proves that Thanos is so much powerful that those two clowns it's not funny.Thanos operate in the same level of power that Zeus and Odin work. Those two would pull a majority on Thanos (I say a solid 9/10 or even 10/10), no argue with that, but Thanos can take their best shot, and give some.
He would murder anyone classified as "Herald": he already did Surfer several times, which is aknowledge as the top 1 or 2 of this "weight class", have pwnd Thor too, the other top 1 or 2 of the "Heralds class", and would do Superman as easely as those two.
The end.
Originally posted by Bentley
Thanos did fought Tyrant and seemed evenly matched for a while. The guy trashed Gladiator, BRB and Surfer at the same time. Handlocking him in a showing of strength is a valid feat... Right?
I wonder how Superman would do against Tyrant alone despite the fact that Tyrant stomped Gadiator, BRB, and Surfer easily.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I did. So ?On the one hand he claims that Thanos operates on the same level than Odin and Zeus, on the other hand he says that he would be defeated 9 or even 10/10 by Odin and Zeus.
Yeah it's called trans level. Clearly Thanos has above high herald but below Skyfather. We saw evidence of this with his fight against Odin. Silver Surfer was one-shotted within a panel, while Thanos was able to fight Odin for a prolonged period of time.
It's the same with the Tyrant fight. Surfer and his buddies got their asses whooped when fighting together against Tyrant. Now compare how Thanos did against Tyrant alone, clearly he performed much better.
Another example would be insane Thor in Blood and Thunder. He was physically crushing Surfer, Warlock, BRB, Drax, and etc, all powerful herald levelers. This was before he even got the power gem. Compare how they did with how Thanos did against an even more powerful insane Thor with the power gem.
The main point is you don't need to outright beat skyfather level opponents to show superiority over Herald levelers. You just need to outperform them in combat, which Thanos has consistently done with flying colours.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Yeah it's called trans level. Clearly Thanos has above high herald but below Skyfather. We saw evidence of this with his fight against Odin. Silver Surfer was one-shotted within a panel, while Thanos was able to fight Odin for a prolonged period of time.It's the same with the Tyrant fight. Surfer and his buddies got their asses whooped when fighting together against Tyrant. Now compare how Thanos did against Tyrant alone, clearly he performed much better.
Another example would be insane Thor in Blood and Thunder. He was physically crushing Surfer, Warlock, BRB, Drax, and etc, all powerful herald levelers. This was before he even got the power gem. Compare how they did with how Thanos did against an even more powerful insane Thor with the power gem.
The main point is you don't need to outright beat skyfather level opponents to show superiority over Herald levelers. You just need to outperform them in combat, which Thanos has consistently done with flying colours.
You do realize that Thanos did not defeat Tyrant ? He fought him for a very short time, and quickly ran away.
You do realize that Thanos did not defeat Thor ? He was tired of getting his ass kicked and went for a deus ex machina gun, because he couldn't beat Thor.
The funny thing is, these fights are the best showings of Thanos 😆
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You do realize that Thanos did not defeat Odin ? He tried to hurt him, he failed, and that's it.You do realize that Thanos did not defeat Tyrant ? He fought him for a very short time, and quickly ran away.
You do realize that Thanos did not defeat Thor ? He was tired of getting his ass kicked and went for a deus ex machina gun, because he couldn't beat Thor.
The funny thing is, these fights are the best showings of Thanos 😆
You do realize you missed my point entirely?